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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2017, 04:55:20 PM »

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In fairness, Fultz committed because he had a relationship with the coach from before the time when he (Fultz) was any type of prospect. Or at least that's what he says.

For all his (numerous) faults as a coach, players do love Romar.
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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2017, 04:59:17 PM »

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Look regardless he is a top prospect...but his impact  in the winning column is inconclusive... Same can be said about Simmons

Its theory otherwise. Can he score? Yes. Is he a winner? We dont know yet... 

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2017, 05:00:19 PM »

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Look regardless he is a top prospect...but his impact  in the winning column is inconclusive... Same can be said about Simmons

Its theory otherwise. Can he score? Yes. Is he a winner? We dont know yet...

You've convinced me. Let's take Justin Jackson at #1.
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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2017, 05:08:53 PM »

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Monk scored 754 total points . Made 104 threes at 39 percent

Fultz scored 579 total points. Made 52 threes at 41 percent

Monk was a scoring machine last season.

As much I like Fultz , I think Danny will gravitate towards an athlete like Monk more.

Danny also likes players with size that can handle/pass/create 1 on 1 (Tatum)

These two pickups would be decent insurance if Hayward doesnt sign and no trades result...

Thoughts?

You know you're grasping for straws when you cite raw points. For anyone who was misled by this intentionally misleading statistic, Monk played 13 more games than Fultz.
How was Monk able to play 13 more games? You tell me

By not being injured and on a terrible team. I'm guessing that you're suggesting that Monk playing 13 more games somehow supports your narrative that he's even comparable to Fultz, but it's a bit easier to advance in the tournament when your teammates include a top-5 pick and another first-rounder. Frankly, if you actually believe playing 13 more games is a serious credit to Monk, there's no arguing with you.
Kentucky was 2nd in AP preseason rankings, 4th in the coaches poll
Washington was unranked in both.

According to RPI Kentucky was 4th preseason, Washington was 204th.

If we completely ignore any level of context Triboy makes a pretty solid point here.

Pretty sure if Murray & Chriss had stayed another year, a different tune would've been sung about Washington's record.   I don't even have to address the type of teammates that Monk was playing with versus Fultz since that should be pretty self explanatory.

So what was Fultz thinking?

He didnt really believe Murray and Chriss would be back for their soph year did he? 

Players leaving after 1 year of college is a norm

Markelle committed in August of 2015 when Chriss and Murray were non-prospects who were yet to play a single minute of college basketball . So yeah, he probably believed they were going to be at Washington with him. And even if he knew they'd be gone, so what? What relevance does that have to this discussion in any way, shape, or form?

So wait a sec... Fultz signed up to join a no name club from the start

When he had offers from xyz top schools

Do some actual research before you spout out nonsense.  It really does just make you look foolish.

Your argument is foolish..

You cant say if he had better players he would be xyz...yet he was loyal and blindly joined a non contending college team

You cant have it both ways

What is foolish about it?  Now you're just spinning in a circle.

What you've managed to illustrate the past page or so is that you've done zero research on the guy or have any clue why he ended up at Washington.   You're literally throwing stuff at a wall & seeing if anything sticks. 

Guys go to schools all the time because they like the coach.  This has been going on since the dawn of sports.   The fact you didn't even realize that he had a relationship with Romar before going there illustrates you're in over your head on this topic.  As is the case with the Murray/Chriss thing also and the committing to school thing.

This is beyond grasping at straws on your end. 

Context matters.



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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2017, 05:13:43 PM »

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It is an interesting idea that has more to do with the uncertainty of the draft than about the specific players involved.  Was/is Simmons, Towns, Wiggins, Bennett, Davis, Irving, Wall, Griffin, Rose, Oden, Bargnani, Bogut, Howard, James, Ming, Brown etc. really clearly better than any other prospect in the draft and also clearly transformation players that you would totally regret if you traded for two other top players from the draft?

I would say TBD, Maybe, No, No, Probably, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, Possibly, Definitely, No, No.  That is the last 16 #1 picks and there is one definitely (James), one Probably (Davis) and a couple of maybe's.  Drafting is a very uncertain science.  Fultz seems great but if his ceiling is John Wall would your really regret trading him?  Of course it depends on who you get back but in this scenario, you are getting two chances to get lucky and and get an equal player such as Wade, or Butler, or Leonard, or Curry and if you are really lucky, maybe you get two?

I would be shocked if Danny used this pick to trade down, .  I would be surprised but not shocked if the pick is traded for a player.  I will not be surprised if we keep the pick and take Fultz.

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #65 on: May 24, 2017, 05:14:42 PM »

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Anthony Davis won 8 games his Senior year in HS. 8. I dont recall anyone saying this guy is a loser and shouldnt go to Kentucky because he only won 8 games in HS. In fact Im sure not many people even know that he won so few games his Senior year.

Point being you have to look at the circumstances in which the kid played. The kid has incredible skill. You cant take that away from him.

Wasnt davis like 6'5 in hs?

Nope his senior year he was as tall as he is now.

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #66 on: May 24, 2017, 09:10:07 PM »

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Monk scored 754 total points . Made 104 threes at 39 percent

Fultz scored 579 total points. Made 52 threes at 41 percent

Monk was a scoring machine last season.

As much I like Fultz , I think Danny will gravitate towards an athlete like Monk more.

Danny also likes players with size that can handle/pass/create 1 on 1 (Tatum)

These two pickups would be decent insurance if Hayward doesnt sign and no trades result...

Thoughts?

You know you're grasping for straws when you cite raw points. For anyone who was misled by this intentionally misleading statistic, Monk played 13 more games than Fultz.
How was Monk able to play 13 more games? You tell me

By not being injured and on a terrible team. I'm guessing that you're suggesting that Monk playing 13 more games somehow supports your narrative that he's even comparable to Fultz, but it's a bit easier to advance in the tournament when your teammates include a top-5 pick and another first-rounder. Frankly, if you actually believe playing 13 more games is a serious credit to Monk, there's no arguing with you.
Kentucky was 2nd in AP preseason rankings, 4th in the coaches poll
Washington was unranked in both.

According to RPI Kentucky was 4th preseason, Washington was 204th.

If we completely ignore any level of context Triboy makes a pretty solid point here.

Pretty sure if Murray & Chriss had stayed another year, a different tune would've been sung about Washington's record.   I don't even have to address the type of teammates that Monk was playing with versus Fultz since that should be pretty self explanatory.

So what was Fultz thinking?

He didnt really believe Murray and Chriss would be back for their soph year did he? 

Players leaving after 1 year of college is a norm

Markelle committed in August of 2015 when Chriss and Murray were non-prospects who were yet to play a single minute of college basketball . So yeah, he probably believed they were going to be at Washington with him. And even if he knew they'd be gone, so what? What relevance does that have to this discussion in any way, shape, or form?

So wait a sec... Fultz signed up to join a no name club from the start

When he had offers from xyz top schools

Do some actual research before you spout out nonsense.  It really does just make you look foolish.

Your argument is foolish..

You cant say if he had better players he would be xyz...yet he was loyal and blindly joined a non contending college team

You cant have it both ways
I think we're all familiar with the Fultz story about being on the JV in the 10th grade.  Side note:  I fully expect triboy to use this fact against Fultz.  Anyway, I'd say it's virtually impossible to attract recruiting attention on the JV but apparently Fultz did and Washington was the first on the scene.  Apparently was quite the show that year as a 5'9" guard.  Then the growth spurt happened.

Fultz remained loyal to the coach that first paid attention to him.  Some might find that admirable.  Others will use it to spin the web of nonsense.

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #67 on: May 25, 2017, 01:29:40 AM »

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I wouldn't want to trade the 1st pick, but this idea from thesixersense.com would be a good place to start if a team was serious about getting Fultz away from us: "Perhaps Rookie of the Year candidate Dario Saric would be of interest to the Celtics. Also, the Lakers’ first round pick next season, along with the third overall pick in the 2017 draft. The Sixers have a variety of options that should be intriguing to the Celtics."

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #68 on: May 25, 2017, 02:38:20 AM »

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Monk scored 754 total points . Made 104 threes at 39 percent

Fultz scored 579 total points. Made 52 threes at 41 percent

Monk was a scoring machine last season.

As much I like Fultz , I think Danny will gravitate towards an athlete like Monk more.

Danny also likes players with size that can handle/pass/create 1 on 1 (Tatum)

These two pickups would be decent insurance if Hayward doesnt sign and no trades result...

Thoughts?

You know you're grasping for straws when you cite raw points. For anyone who was misled by this intentionally misleading statistic, Monk played 13 more games than Fultz.
How was Monk able to play 13 more games? You tell me

By not being injured and on a terrible team. I'm guessing that you're suggesting that Monk playing 13 more games somehow supports your narrative that he's even comparable to Fultz, but it's a bit easier to advance in the tournament when your teammates include a top-5 pick and another first-rounder. Frankly, if you actually believe playing 13 more games is a serious credit to Monk, there's no arguing with you.
Kentucky was 2nd in AP preseason rankings, 4th in the coaches poll
Washington was unranked in both.

According to RPI Kentucky was 4th preseason, Washington was 204th.

If we completely ignore any level of context Triboy makes a pretty solid point here.

Pretty sure if Murray & Chriss had stayed another year, a different tune would've been sung about Washington's record.   I don't even have to address the type of teammates that Monk was playing with versus Fultz since that should be pretty self explanatory.

So what was Fultz thinking?

He didnt really believe Murray and Chriss would be back for their soph year did he? 

Players leaving after 1 year of college is a norm

Tell me how much Murray & Chriss were on the radar to be one & done's before the '15-'16 NCAA season when Fultz committed.

This isn't rocket science, Triboy.

So why sign up with a crappy college team with a crappy college coach...and potentially damage his draft status?

He had offers from better schools

In rocket science format explain..

Triboy cant you read? Answer me, are you not reading all these replies that already trashed your argument?

Again, read.

He wasn't a top prospect when he committed to Washington.
He had a relationship with the coach prior to being a top propect.
His parent's liked Washington, they are more concerned about him getting a good education and a proper growth. Since they already knew coach Romar, they know Markelle would be fine there.
He chose to honor his commitment.

Go back to dream land and maybe there you will find a world where Monk is a better prospect.

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #69 on: May 25, 2017, 03:56:41 AM »

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Monk scored 754 total points . Made 104 threes at 39 percent

Fultz scored 579 total points. Made 52 threes at 41 percent

Monk was a scoring machine last season.

As much I like Fultz , I think Danny will gravitate towards an athlete like Monk more.

Danny also likes players with size that can handle/pass/create 1 on 1 (Tatum)

These two pickups would be decent insurance if Hayward doesnt sign and no trades result...

Thoughts?

All those things describe Fultz perfectly.
He is better at all those things than Tatum and Monk.

Danny will take the guy with the highest upside and that is Fultz.
Have you watched the video on Fultz mid range game yet ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPzc9dKgHuI
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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #70 on: May 25, 2017, 03:59:28 AM »

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haha. this is really getting ridiculous.  Think about KG on the T-wolves.  He never won many games there so he must not be a winner.  We shouldn't have traded for him. 

Oh, and David Robinson went to Navy and not a winning basketball college so he must be doo doo.  While Armen Gilliam, Dennis Hopson, and Reggie Williams who were drafted right after him went to bigger basketball schools.  I'd prefer Dennis Hopson and Reggie Williams over the Admiral.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #71 on: May 25, 2017, 04:59:08 AM »

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Monk scored 754 total points . Made 104 threes at 39 percent

Fultz scored 579 total points. Made 52 threes at 41 percent

Monk was a scoring machine last season.

As much I like Fultz , I think Danny will gravitate towards an athlete like Monk more.

Danny also likes players with size that can handle/pass/create 1 on 1 (Tatum)

These two pickups would be decent insurance if Hayward doesnt sign and no trades result...

Thoughts?

You know you're grasping for straws when you cite raw points. For anyone who was misled by this intentionally misleading statistic, Monk played 13 more games than Fultz.
How was Monk able to play 13 more games? You tell me

By not being injured and on a terrible team. I'm guessing that you're suggesting that Monk playing 13 more games somehow supports your narrative that he's even comparable to Fultz, but it's a bit easier to advance in the tournament when your teammates include a top-5 pick and another first-rounder. Frankly, if you actually believe playing 13 more games is a serious credit to Monk, there's no arguing with you.
Kentucky was 2nd in AP preseason rankings, 4th in the coaches poll
Washington was unranked in both.

According to RPI Kentucky was 4th preseason, Washington was 204th.

If we completely ignore any level of context Triboy makes a pretty solid point here.

Pretty sure if Murray & Chriss had stayed another year, a different tune would've been sung about Washington's record.   I don't even have to address the type of teammates that Monk was playing with versus Fultz since that should be pretty self explanatory.

So what was Fultz thinking?

He didnt really believe Murray and Chriss would be back for their soph year did he? 

Players leaving after 1 year of college is a norm

Tell me how much Murray & Chriss were on the radar to be one & done's before the '15-'16 NCAA season when Fultz committed.

This isn't rocket science, Triboy.

So why sign up with a crappy college team with a crappy college coach...and potentially damage his draft status?

He had offers from better schools

In rocket science format explain..

.

He wasn't a top prospect when he committed to Washington
.

Markelle Fultz Ranking- Offers

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/203881/markelle-fultz

What are you talking about?

Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #72 on: May 25, 2017, 05:08:22 AM »

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Monk scored 754 total points . Made 104 threes at 39 percent

Fultz scored 579 total points. Made 52 threes at 41 percent

Monk was a scoring machine last season.

As much I like Fultz , I think Danny will gravitate towards an athlete like Monk more.

Danny also likes players with size that can handle/pass/create 1 on 1 (Tatum)

These two pickups would be decent insurance if Hayward doesnt sign and no trades result...

Thoughts?

You know you're grasping for straws when you cite raw points. For anyone who was misled by this intentionally misleading statistic, Monk played 13 more games than Fultz.
How was Monk able to play 13 more games? You tell me

By not being injured and on a terrible team. I'm guessing that you're suggesting that Monk playing 13 more games somehow supports your narrative that he's even comparable to Fultz, but it's a bit easier to advance in the tournament when your teammates include a top-5 pick and another first-rounder. Frankly, if you actually believe playing 13 more games is a serious credit to Monk, there's no arguing with you.
Kentucky was 2nd in AP preseason rankings, 4th in the coaches poll
Washington was unranked in both.

According to RPI Kentucky was 4th preseason, Washington was 204th.

If we completely ignore any level of context Triboy makes a pretty solid point here.

Pretty sure if Murray & Chriss had stayed another year, a different tune would've been sung about Washington's record.   I don't even have to address the type of teammates that Monk was playing with versus Fultz since that should be pretty self explanatory.

So what was Fultz thinking?

He didnt really believe Murray and Chriss would be back for their soph year did he? 

Players leaving after 1 year of college is a norm

Tell me how much Murray & Chriss were on the radar to be one & done's before the '15-'16 NCAA season when Fultz committed.

This isn't rocket science, Triboy.

So why sign up with a crappy college team with a crappy college coach...and potentially damage his draft status?

He had offers from better schools

In rocket science format explain..

.

He wasn't a top prospect when he committed to Washington
.

Markelle Fultz Ranking- Offers

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/203881/markelle-fultz

What are you talking about?
Pretty sure RockinRyA was referring to the Washington - Fultz connection that was there before Fultz's Junior year. Washington were high on Fultz back when he was a 5'9" sophomore playing JV. But everyone knows about that story  ;)

Markelle honoured an agreement to go to Washington - why is that a problem?
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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #73 on: May 25, 2017, 05:12:17 AM »

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haha. this is really getting ridiculous.  Think about KG on the T-wolves.  He never won many games there so he must not be a winner.  We shouldn't have traded for him. 

Oh, and David Robinson went to Navy and not a winning basketball college so he must be doo doo.  While Armen Gilliam, Dennis Hopson, and Reggie Williams who were drafted right after him went to bigger basketball schools.  I'd prefer Dennis Hopson and Reggie Williams over the Admiral.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Maybe... But Fultz also could turn out to be Eric Gordon.... while Monk turns out to be a taller IT4.  Tatum - Allan Houston..

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Re: Instead of Fultz what about Tatum and Monk?
« Reply #74 on: May 25, 2017, 05:14:32 AM »

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haha. this is really getting ridiculous.  Think about KG on the T-wolves.  He never won many games there so he must not be a winner.  We shouldn't have traded for him. 

Oh, and David Robinson went to Navy and not a winning basketball college so he must be doo doo.  While Armen Gilliam, Dennis Hopson, and Reggie Williams who were drafted right after him went to bigger basketball schools.  I'd prefer Dennis Hopson and Reggie Williams over the Admiral.   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Maybe... But Fultz also could turn out to be Eric Gordon.... while Monk turns out to be a taller IT4.  Tatum - Allan Houston..

In Danny I trust to make the correct pick(s) or trade
If Eric Gordon had never been injured he would be one hell of a player.

But that's the fun of it - none of us have any idea (within reason) how these guys will turn out.
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