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Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2017, 03:07:27 AM »

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Take Jackson.

- high IQ
- great work ethic, reportedly
- smart and emotionally mature (watch his interviews)
- elite athlete
- size and versatility lets him guard 1-3 and play with anyone
- point forward skills, secondary playmaker
- high motor and effort on D, impact player
- rebounds his position (7.4/game)

Fultz doesn't check as many boxes.  Fultz can be a tier 1 scorer, but Jackson has Paul Pierce potential.

I think youve got it the wrong way round.
Jackson is athletic and strong but needs to develop skills.
Fultz is guard version of Paul Pierce, with an even better stroke and finishing ability.
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Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2017, 04:40:26 AM »

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Based on that mock I go
Fultz
Bell or Motley
Kuzma

Trade last 2nd for duel protected 2018 2nd.

Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2017, 06:28:00 AM »

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Take Jackson.

- high IQ
- great work ethic, reportedly
- smart and emotionally mature (watch his interviews)
- elite athlete
- size and versatility lets him guard 1-3 and play with anyone
- point forward skills, secondary playmaker
- high motor and effort on D, impact player
- rebounds his position (7.4/game)

Fultz doesn't check as many boxes.  Fultz can be a tier 1 scorer, but Jackson has Paul Pierce potential.

I think youve got it the wrong way round.
Jackson is athletic and strong but needs to develop skills.
Fultz is guard version of Paul Pierce, with an even better stroke and finishing ability.
TP!
Remember this athletic, playmaking, non shooting wing.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willite01.html
He was a talented player too, look how that played out. We are not in the 80s anymore.

As far as the board goes, we need cap space. So, Fultz, trade/stash, trade/stash.
« Last Edit: May 23, 2017, 06:34:57 AM by Androslav »
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Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2017, 07:18:50 AM »

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There is little doubt in my mind that Fultz is not the choice. He checks off several of the C's biggest needs as well as being the best player in the draft. He brings size to the guard spot and scoring/playmaking ability, something that is currently lacking from that group (minus IT).

My question is, what on earth are they going to do with all those 2nd rounders? They have to trade them (either to move up or to another team) or do draft and stash if they want cap flexibility right?

Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #49 on: May 23, 2017, 08:12:24 AM »

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I'm probably wrong, here, but what a terrible haul, especially with those last three picks.  Yikes.

Really, they look like pretty good second round picks to me, especially Hart that late in the second.
What do you expect in the end of the second round, Isaiah Thomas, Draymond Green and Jokic?

Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2017, 08:24:22 AM »

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There is little doubt in my mind that Fultz is not the choice. He checks off several of the C's biggest needs as well as being the best player in the draft. He brings size to the guard spot and scoring/playmaking ability, something that is currently lacking from that group (minus IT).

My question is, what on earth are they going to do with all those 2nd rounders? They have to trade them (either to move up or to another team) or do draft and stash if they want cap flexibility right?

Second rounders have no cap holds. We can use as many as we want (but not more than 30, obviously) and it would have no effect on our ability to sign a max free agent

And with the new 2-way contracts this upcoming season, I'd expect at least one of our second rounders this season to stick around beyond training camp
I'm bitter.

Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2017, 08:41:54 AM »

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not a bad haul based on the mock.  anyone from the second round that can play their way onto the roster or an agreement to stay in Maine after summer league is a bonus. 

I like Swanigan's motor.  his athleticism/size may not be what we'd like but I like that this kid comes to play.

Don't know enough about the other 2 picks although I've heard some positive comments about Hart.   Would expect draft and stash prospects at this point that are probably swing-for-the-fences types of gambles.  if they work out, fantastic.  if not, nothing really lost on a pick that late in the draft.


Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #52 on: May 23, 2017, 06:42:26 PM »

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I'm probably wrong, here, but what a terrible haul, especially with those last three picks.  Yikes.

Really, they look like pretty good second round picks to me, especially Hart that late in the second.
What do you expect in the end of the second round, Isaiah Thomas, Draymond Green and Jokic?

I'm not sure that Hart has the quickness to duplicate his defensive success in the NBA, and as for the other point, I probably have unrealistic standards, lol ;D, but the second round is loaded this year, imo :-\.

Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #53 on: May 23, 2017, 06:45:38 PM »

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I'm probably wrong, here, but what a terrible haul, especially with those last three picks.  Yikes.

Really, they look like pretty good second round picks to me, especially Hart that late in the second.
What do you expect in the end of the second round, Isaiah Thomas, Draymond Green and Jokic?

I'm not sure that Hart has the quickness to duplicate his defensive success in the NBA, and as for the other point, I probably have unrealistic standards, lol ;D, but the second round is loaded this year, imo :-\.
the bolded is most certainly true.
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Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #54 on: May 23, 2017, 11:52:27 PM »

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I'm probably wrong, here, but what a terrible haul, especially with those last three picks.  Yikes.

Really, they look like pretty good second round picks to me, especially Hart that late in the second.
What do you expect in the end of the second round, Isaiah Thomas, Draymond Green and Jokic?

I'm not sure that Hart has the quickness to duplicate his defensive success in the NBA, and as for the other point, I probably have unrealistic standards, lol ;D, but the second round is loaded this year, imo :-\.
the bolded is most certainly true.

K.  Idt that there's anything wrong with having high standards when it comes to drafting, though :-\.

Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2017, 01:11:15 AM »

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I'm probably wrong, here, but what a terrible haul, especially with those last three picks.  Yikes.

Really, they look like pretty good second round picks to me, especially Hart that late in the second.
What do you expect in the end of the second round, Isaiah Thomas, Draymond Green and Jokic?

I'm not sure that Hart has the quickness to duplicate his defensive success in the NBA, and as for the other point, I probably have unrealistic standards, lol ;D, but the second round is loaded this year, imo :-\.
the bolded is most certainly true.

K.  Idt that there's anything wrong with having high standards when it comes to drafting, though :-\.
there is nothing wrong with having high expectations. However you have unrealistic expectations. What's wrong with them is that they are unrealistic i.e. Wrong.
Quote from: George W. Bush
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Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2017, 01:15:40 AM »

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Take Jackson.

- high IQ
- great work ethic, reportedly
- smart and emotionally mature (watch his interviews)
- elite athlete
- size and versatility lets him guard 1-3 and play with anyone
- point forward skills, secondary playmaker
- high motor and effort on D, impact player
- rebounds his position (7.4/game)

Fultz doesn't check as many boxes.  Fultz can be a tier 1 scorer, but Jackson has Paul Pierce potential.

I think youve got it the wrong way round.
Jackson is athletic and strong but needs to develop skills.
Fultz is guard version of Paul Pierce, with an even better stroke and finishing ability.

Jackson have the most complete skillset in the draft minus the shooting. He can drive to the rim, can pass, rebound, defend, tremendous motor, hustle and have the intangibles that you'll like for a young prospect.

Fultz, while have the tools is completely raw on the defensive end. His effort come and goes too. I don't know if its just in the college but that's a red flag.

Re: 2017 mock draft (Fultz, Swanigan, Oliver, Hart to BOS)
« Reply #57 on: May 24, 2017, 04:31:16 AM »

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I'm probably wrong, here, but what a terrible haul, especially with those last three picks.  Yikes.

Really, they look like pretty good second round picks to me, especially Hart that late in the second.
What do you expect in the end of the second round, Isaiah Thomas, Draymond Green and Jokic?

I'm not sure that Hart has the quickness to duplicate his defensive success in the NBA, and as for the other point, I probably have unrealistic standards, lol ;D, but the second round is loaded this year, imo :-\.
the bolded is most certainly true.

K.  Idt that there's anything wrong with having high standards when it comes to drafting, though :-\.
there is nothing wrong with having high expectations. However you have unrealistic expectations. What's wrong with them is that they are unrealistic i.e. Wrong.

In your opinion, sure, but can I just explain what those "high standards" are?  Here it is - regardless of whether the pick is in the top 10, the last one in the draft, or even when looking at the pool of undrafted free agents, I believe that at the most basic of levels the goal should always be the same - to find an NBA player.  That's it :-\.