Celtics (2-1) at Wizards (1-2) Round 2 Game 4 5/7/17

[droopdog7]

Here is a simple question.  Did we not show "heart" and "toughness" against Chicago?  Did we not show heart and toughness pulling out the first two games against wash?  Where did it go?  How do we find it?

Truth is we survived games 1 and 2.  They've blown us out.  Theyre significantly better than we are.  THAT'S the real issue, not all this other crap.

[droopdog7]

People seriously think this is about effort?  Seriously?  And brown is in during garbage time.  His play right now is less than meaningless.

You don't think the 3rd 1/4 massacre was at least partly due to effort?
We were passive beyond belief, we were practically bending over for the Wiz.

I absolutely don't think it's about effort.  What kind of sense does that make anyway?  You prefer to think that our guys choose not to try hard when the obvious answer is that we're at a serious talent disadvantage.  They have had huge runs in every game.  That's not an accident and it's not because the team isn't trying.

I went to a game this morning where my kids team beat the other one by 50 points.  They were trying as hard as they could but were outmanned.

Look effort isn't just about running as fast as you can down the court.  It is a mental approach as well.  The mentality to say we are going to stop this 15 point run right now while we are still in the game.  Part of that is effort.  The mental weakness allows the poor effort to continue.  We just don't have guys who are mentally tough.

We obviously have talented players on our team, maybe not good enough to win series with the cavs, but good enough to respond better than they did today.

Let me explain something, and I'll use my kids team as an analogy.  When they play they cons usually tell before the game starts whether the other team is better, worse, our about the same.  When a team is better, everything falls into plays and they look great.  When they aren't, things tend to fall apart. 

All that stuff about heart is garbage because talent wins out.

Lol I don't know how someone can watch this particular team struggle with "showing up" to certain games all season long and come away with such a non-sensical opinion.

This team was only as good as it was the last couple of years because of our heart. We simply don't have it this year due to an entitled attitude.

Yep, both the team and the coach feel entitled.

Clearly the fans will entitled...and are clueless as usual.

This is quite hilarious coming from the guy comparing the NBA to a pee-wee team...

Are you suggesting that nba players are not human?  Or that they don't have better players?  And that our players don't care?  When did we stop caring because we did beat Chicago?  Did Chicago not care?

As for a pee wee team, obviously you don't understand that either.  Been watching ultra competitive "pee wee" games for six years.  Even at the youngest levels, these kids have heart and go all out.  You'd be amazed frankly.  There is a lot of similarities between those games and the nba.  You just have no idea.

lol I am glad you enjoy coaching the young kids, but I will have whatever you are smoking.  Pee wee league has literally no similarities to the NBA.  Wow

For your information, my sons not a pee wee team.  He's on a gold level AAU team that has multiple (future) college players on it.  The same AAU that bred all the players in the nba now.  Will my kid and anyone on his team make it to the nba?  Odds are against it but like I said, you have no clue about being an actual competitive athlete.  They are all human.  They try hard but when you're coming up against someone that's better than you, sometimes things fall apart.

Dude just can the 'you have no clue about being an actual competitive athlete' crap.  You have know idea my background or anything about me.  Thanks

I know you have no idea what it means to be a competitive athlete.  Because if you did, you'd acknowledge what I am saying is true.  The competitive kids are programed at a very young age.  They face pressure every game that feels the same at every stage.

So yeah, I don't know what you are.  But I do know what you are not.

So because I disagree with you, you know all there is to know about me.  you win at arrogance I will admit that.

Hey, this isn't an Internet threat.  But I've laid out my background for why I know what I know.  Shockingly, you have not.  So yeah, that's pretty much all I need to know.

And no, it's not because you disagree with me that you're wrong.  It's because you've laid out zero reasoning behind your stance except to say that you can't compare youth sports to the nba.  No substance behind that statement.

P
Look, I think it is idiotic to compare AAU ball and the NBA.  They literally aren't comparable.   I don't have to give you a freaking thesis to disagree with you on that.  You are the one that is making this thing personal so why don't you just stop ok?

Fine.

[jpotter33]

People seriously think this is about effort?  Seriously?  And brown is in during garbage time.  His play right now is less than meaningless.

You don't think the 3rd 1/4 massacre was at least partly due to effort?
We were passive beyond belief, we were practically bending over for the Wiz.

I absolutely don't think it's about effort.  What kind of sense does that make anyway?  You prefer to think that our guys choose not to try hard when the obvious answer is that we're at a serious talent disadvantage.  They have had huge runs in every game.  That's not an accident and it's not because the team isn't trying.

I went to a game this morning where my kids team beat the other one by 50 points.  They were trying as hard as they could but were outmanned.

Look effort isn't just about running as fast as you can down the court.  It is a mental approach as well.  The mentality to say we are going to stop this 15 point run right now while we are still in the game.  Part of that is effort.  The mental weakness allows the poor effort to continue.  We just don't have guys who are mentally tough.

We obviously have talented players on our team, maybe not good enough to win series with the cavs, but good enough to respond better than they did today.

Let me explain something, and I'll use my kids team as an analogy.  When they play they cons usually tell before the game starts whether the other team is better, worse, our about the same.  When a team is better, everything falls into plays and they look great.  When they aren't, things tend to fall apart. 

All that stuff about heart is garbage because talent wins out.

Lol I don't know how someone can watch this particular team struggle with "showing up" to certain games all season long and come away with such a non-sensical opinion.

This team was only as good as it was the last couple of years because of our heart. We simply don't have it this year due to an entitled attitude.

Yep, both the team and the coach feel entitled.

Clearly the fans will entitled...and are clueless as usual.

This is quite hilarious coming from the guy comparing the NBA to a pee-wee team...

Are you suggesting that nba players are not human?  Or that they don't have better players?  And that our players don't care?  When did we stop caring because we did beat Chicago?  Did Chicago not care?

As for a pee wee team, obviously you don't understand that either.  Been watching ultra competitive "pee wee" games for six years.  Even at the youngest levels, these kids have heart and go all out.  You'd be amazed frankly.  There is a lot of similarities between those games and the nba.  You just have no idea.

lol I am glad you enjoy coaching the young kids, but I will have whatever you are smoking.  Pee wee league has literally no similarities to the NBA.  Wow

For your information, my sons not a pee wee team.  He's on a gold level AAU team that has multiple (future) college players on it.  The same AAU that bred all the players in the nba now.  Will my kid and anyone on his team make it to the nba?  Odds are against it but like I said, you have no clue about being an actual competitive athlete.  They are all human.  They try hard but when you're coming up against someone that's better than you, sometimes things fall apart.

Dude just can the 'you have no clue about being an actual competitive athlete' crap.  You have know idea my background or anything about me.  Thanks

I know you have no idea what it means to be a competitive athlete.  Because if you did, you'd acknowledge what I am saying is true.  The competitive kids are programed at a very young age.  They face pressure every game that feels the same at every stage.

So yeah, I don't know what you are.  But I do know what you are not.

So because I disagree with you, you know all there is to know about me.  you win at arrogance I will admit that.

Hey, this isn't an Internet threat.  But I've laid out my background for why I know what I know.  Shockingly, you have not.  So yeah, that's pretty much all I need to know.

And no, it's not because you disagree with me that you're wrong.  It's because you've laid out zero reasoning behind your stance except to say that you can't compare youth sports to the nba.  No substance behind that statement.

Oh, the logic:

"I know I'm right because my son plays AAU ball that I watch all of the time, and that clearly makes me right when I say that talent trumps all and heart, effort, and character have nothing to do with it!"

Get out of here. This is so ridiculous of a notion and an argument that you're making that it's not even worth arguing over anymore.

[Smitty77]

People seriously think this is about effort?  Seriously?  And brown is in during garbage time.  His play right now is less than meaningless.

You don't think the 3rd 1/4 massacre was at least partly due to effort?
We were passive beyond belief, we were practically bending over for the Wiz.

I absolutely don't think it's about effort.  What kind of sense does that make anyway?  You prefer to think that our guys choose not to try hard when the obvious answer is that we're at a serious talent disadvantage.  They have had huge runs in every game.  That's not an accident and it's not because the team isn't trying.

I went to a game this morning where my kids team beat the other one by 50 points.  They were trying as hard as they could but were outmanned.

Look effort isn't just about running as fast as you can down the court.  It is a mental approach as well.  The mentality to say we are going to stop this 15 point run right now while we are still in the game.  Part of that is effort.  The mental weakness allows the poor effort to continue.  We just don't have guys who are mentally tough.

We obviously have talented players on our team, maybe not good enough to win series with the cavs, but good enough to respond better than they did today.

Let me explain something, and I'll use my kids team as an analogy.  When they play they cons usually tell before the game starts whether the other team is better, worse, our about the same.  When a team is better, everything falls into plays and they look great.  When they aren't, things tend to fall apart. 

All that stuff about heart is garbage because talent wins out.

They might have more over-all talent RIGHT NOW, but they do NOT have hardly ANY CAP room after they give Porter a virtual MAX.  They are what they are.  We have or should have room to sign a MAX and we are GUARANTEED a top 4 pick this year and a almost GUARANTEED top 7 pick NEXT YEAR.  We WILL have size next year as Zizic is coming.  I am NOT sold on Yabusele.  Nadar SHOULD make our team (Saw him play in person twice!!  He is LEGIT!!)

We were NOT built to win this year.

IF the Wiz beat us, I doubt they win ONE freaking game vs. the Cavs!!!

Smitty77

they cant make any big additions, but Beal and Porter are just 23. Plenty of room for the Wiz to improve.

That stupid contract to Mahinmi really hamstrings them.  Without it, they might be able to free up enough space to get Cousins next offseason.

Gortat is 33!!!!

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

We need more offensive fire power.
We shot well from 3pt% but just not enough scoring options once Isaiah went quiet.
Olynyk and Rozier off our bench were the 2nd and 3rd highest scorers.

Olynyk had ZERO stinking rebounds in 23 minutes!!!!!  How does a 7-footer do that??

Smitty77

[Smitty77]

How does a professional basketball team allow a 26-0 run ??

So, Gerald Green, by himself, gets the Chicago series momentum turned back in Boston's favor and now he is MIA ? I am not suggesting he needs to always start, but at least the guy brings some offense when Thomas is not scoring. Maybe he helps prevent a 26-0 run.
Olynyk is USELESS - play Jalen Brown over him anyday.

No rhyme or reason to these rotations - it's like Stevens is throwing darts and hoping one hits.

Kelly Olynyk was pretty good in game 1 and 2, but he is up and down just like he was all year - its just who he is. You cant ignore him in case he decides to assert himself into the game, but Brad needs a shorter leash when its clear he isnt.

I do think we need less Crowder. He just isnt helping, and his defense is overrated.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Olynyk wasn't the problem tonight (see 3rd quarter 26-0 run).

The limb just BROKE the minute I saw that Kelly played 23 minutes and had ZERO rebounds!!!

Smitty77

[Eja117]

We need more offensive fire power.
We shot well from 3pt% but just not enough scoring options once Isaiah went quiet.
Olynyk and Rozier off our bench were the 2nd and 3rd highest scorers.

Olynyk had ZERO stinking rebounds in 23 minutes!!!!!  How does a 7-footer do that??

Smitty77

Gotta ask Brad Stevens. He knows these things

[Smitty77]

We need more offensive fire power.
We shot well from 3pt% but just not enough scoring options once Isaiah went quiet.
Olynyk and Rozier off our bench were the 2nd and 3rd highest scorers.

Olynyk had ZERO stinking rebounds in 23 minutes!!!!!  How does a 7-footer do that??

Smitty77

Gotta ask Brad Stevens. He knows these things

Well said!!!

Smitty77

[Ilikesports17]

We need more offensive fire power.
We shot well from 3pt% but just not enough scoring options once Isaiah went quiet.
Olynyk and Rozier off our bench were the 2nd and 3rd highest scorers.

Olynyk had ZERO stinking rebounds in 23 minutes!!!!!  How does a 7-footer do that??

Smitty77

Gotta ask Brad Stevens. He knows these things

Well said!!!

Smitty77

Kelly's rebounding is bad, but its one of the smaller problems at the moment.

[mr. dee]

Careless turnovers in the 3rd is what killed them. Less turnovers, less fastbreak points for the Wizards.

[tazzmaniac]

People seriously think this is about effort?  Seriously?  And brown is in during garbage time.  His play right now is less than meaningless.

You don't think the 3rd 1/4 massacre was at least partly due to effort?
We were passive beyond belief, we were practically bending over for the Wiz.

I absolutely don't think it's about effort.  What kind of sense does that make anyway?  You prefer to think that our guys choose not to try hard when the obvious answer is that we're at a serious talent disadvantage.  They have had huge runs in every game.  That's not an accident and it's not because the team isn't trying.

I went to a game this morning where my kids team beat the other one by 50 points.  They were trying as hard as they could but were outmanned.

Look effort isn't just about running as fast as you can down the court.  It is a mental approach as well.  The mentality to say we are going to stop this 15 point run right now while we are still in the game.  Part of that is effort.  The mental weakness allows the poor effort to continue.  We just don't have guys who are mentally tough.

We obviously have talented players on our team, maybe not good enough to win series with the cavs, but good enough to respond better than they did today.

Let me explain something, and I'll use my kids team as an analogy.  When they play they cons usually tell before the game starts whether the other team is better, worse, our about the same.  When a team is better, everything falls into plays and they look great.  When they aren't, things tend to fall apart. 

All that stuff about heart is garbage because talent wins out.

They might have more over-all talent RIGHT NOW, but they do NOT have hardly ANY CAP room after they give Porter a virtual MAX.  They are what they are.  We have or should have room to sign a MAX and we are GUARANTEED a top 4 pick this year and a almost GUARANTEED top 7 pick NEXT YEAR.  We WILL have size next year as Zizic is coming.  I am NOT sold on Yabusele.  Nadar SHOULD make our team (Saw him play in person twice!!  He is LEGIT!!)

We were NOT built to win this year.

IF the Wiz beat us, I doubt they win ONE freaking game vs. the Cavs!!!

Smitty77

they cant make any big additions, but Beal and Porter are just 23. Plenty of room for the Wiz to improve.

That stupid contract to Mahinmi really hamstrings them.  Without it, they might be able to free up enough space to get Cousins next offseason.

Gortat is 33!!!!

Smitty77

Mahinmi is 30 and sucks!!!!  You don't give someone like him a 4 year/64M contract if you want to be a contender especially when Gortat had 3 years left on his contract.   

[Ogaju]

so the question is why do we turn the ball over in bunches, and continue to run out of control when it is clear that the opponents have gotten a boost of adrenaline? There is a time to slow down and get a definite basket or foul to plug the drain.

[hodgy03038]

We are supposed to be the #1 seed but we certainly are not playing like it. A #1 seed doesn't get totally dominated on a regular basis by the #4 seed.

Game 1 & 2 we were lucky to win. We overcame big deficits. Game 2 we needed overtime and 53 from IT. Games 3 & 4 forget it. How is it possible to allow a 26-0 run? How is it possible to commit the same turnovers multiple times on offense? When will we learn we can't dribble through people? Tonight's game I put more on IT and his 3rd quarter play and turnovers more than anyone else. It was an attempt at superman ball and it didn't work. We need to dominate this next game and win huge and not a nail biter. We need a statement win.

[CelticsElite]

Wizards scored 19 points off turnovers

[JOMVP]

Wizards scored 19 points off turnovers

Huge problem. Most of those turnovers were on the perimeter leading to easy hoops. Needs to be cleaned up.

Wizards second chance points were also in the 20s I believe. If your giving up 20 point off turnovers and 20 points off second chance opportunities, you arent winning anything. C's cut those numbers in half and its a different game. I think they will figure it out.