Celtics (2-1) at Wizards (1-2) Round 2 Game 4 5/7/17

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People seriously think this is about effort?  Seriously?  And brown is in during garbage time.  His play right now is less than meaningless.

You don't think the 3rd 1/4 massacre was at least partly due to effort?
We were passive beyond belief, we were practically bending over for the Wiz.

I absolutely don't think it's about effort.  What kind of sense does that make anyway?  You prefer to think that our guys choose not to try hard when the obvious answer is that we're at a serious talent disadvantage.  They have had huge runs in every game.  That's not an accident and it's not because the team isn't trying.

I went to a game this morning where my kids team beat the other one by 50 points.  They were trying as hard as they could but were outmanned.

Look effort isn't just about running as fast as you can down the court.  It is a mental approach as well.  The mentality to say we are going to stop this 15 point run right now while we are still in the game.  Part of that is effort.  The mental weakness allows the poor effort to continue.  We just don't have guys who are mentally tough.

We obviously have talented players on our team, maybe not good enough to win series with the cavs, but good enough to respond better than they did today.

Let me explain something, and I'll use my kids team as an analogy.  When they play they cons usually tell before the game starts whether the other team is better, worse, our about the same.  When a team is better, everything falls into plays and they look great.  When they aren't, things tend to fall apart. 

All that stuff about heart is garbage because talent wins out.

I don't care about your kids team analogies.  I disagree with you, sorry.

[Ogaju]

How is a 26-0 run even possible?

How is a 26-0 run possible in a game played after a game where the same team gave up a 22-0 run ?

[jpotter33]

wasnt able to catch this one.

what happened?

Looks like we did OK on Wall, forced him into 7 turnovers and just 8/25 from the field.

Box score looks real bad for AB. Crowder pulled another no-show and our best players were Smart Olynyk and Rozier.

That sound about right, or is the box score lying to me?

Rozier was good, but mostly got his stuff after the game was already settled.

Smart and Olynyk were okay, but neither were spectacular and had some bad plays and misses shots that they should've had.

Al was excellent for most of the game and didn't get help. IT was on fire to start the game, but he was a no-show and played terrible on both ends in the second half.

But the major factors in my opinion were AB and Jae being terrible and Brad making bad decisions. AB and Jae were both 2-9 with 5 and 6 points, respectively, all while playing terrible, terrible D with bad decisions on both sides of the ball.

Brad's decision to start Amir didn't hurt us at first because they were simply missing shots and our perimeter D was actually decent. But it really hurt us in the 3rd when he was useless to help on the boards, and Brad failed to call a timeout at the right time to try and stem their big run, leading to a 26-0 run by Washington. He also had majorly questionable rotations all night long, continuing to go with Jae, AB, and Smart at times when he should've went with Rozier or Brown off the bench. Brown didn't even get in until garbage time.

[Rosco917]

You can't be continually out rebounded by double digits, giving up offensive rebound after offensive rebound, and expect to compete. The Wizards have kept us physically on our heals since game 3.

Is also difficult to have to hide a player because he's a liability on defense, especially when he's your best scorer. It's a formula for continual mediocrity. 

Marcus Smart has to find a way to be of value on the offensive end, if he's gonna play serious minutes, or Rozier needs his minutes.

"Chickens have come home to roost."

[celticinorlando]

Bradley hurt again

[droopdog7]

People seriously think this is about effort?  Seriously?  And brown is in during garbage time.  His play right now is less than meaningless.

You don't think the 3rd 1/4 massacre was at least partly due to effort?
We were passive beyond belief, we were practically bending over for the Wiz.

I absolutely don't think it's about effort.  What kind of sense does that make anyway?  You prefer to think that our guys choose not to try hard when the obvious answer is that we're at a serious talent disadvantage.  They have had huge runs in every game.  That's not an accident and it's not because the team isn't trying.

I went to a game this morning where my kids team beat the other one by 50 points.  They were trying as hard as they could but were outmanned.

Look effort isn't just about running as fast as you can down the court.  It is a mental approach as well.  The mentality to say we are going to stop this 15 point run right now while we are still in the game.  Part of that is effort.  The mental weakness allows the poor effort to continue.  We just don't have guys who are mentally tough.

We obviously have talented players on our team, maybe not good enough to win series with the cavs, but good enough to respond better than they did today.

Let me explain something, and I'll use my kids team as an analogy.  When they play they cons usually tell before the game starts whether the other team is better, worse, our about the same.  When a team is better, everything falls into plays and they look great.  When they aren't, things tend to fall apart. 

All that stuff about heart is garbage because talent wins out.

I don't care about your kids team analogies.  I disagree with you, sorry.

Yeah, because you think nba players are immune to this I guess.  You're wrong of course.  They recognize who's better at this stage too.  We have been overwhelmed at some point in every game. When they put it together, there isn't much we can do about.  26-0 is a lot, but they've had something similar in EVERY game. 

At what point will people acknowledge the talent disparity?

[Smitty77]

I think the TURNING POINT in this series was when Morris threw Horford to the floor (No flagrant on that blatantly non-basketball move!!!) and NOT a SINGLE CELTIC had his back.

I think the series turned at that point.  The Wiz realized that we are SOFT and have NO BACKBONE and at that point they smelled blood in the water!!

Smitty77

Enough with the toughness and effort.  They have better players.

They have tougher players and refs that give the calls to Wall and NOT to the third leading scorer in the NBA!!!!

Smitty77

[jambr380]

I definitely think this game was about effort.

If the game isn't going our way, we fold over and let other teams go on runs. We have been doing it all year. We need momentum to succeed. There was a point in the 2nd quarter when we were up by 12 with the ball and carelessly turned the ball over - assuming it was no big deal. The switch then turned on for the Wall and the Wiz began hitting their threes.

It was obvious at half time. We caused tons of turnovers and hit a good percentage on our threes and were thoroughly outplaying Washington, yet, the score was tied. The Wizards only needed one thing to go right for them...and it certainly did.

If we don't have momentum, we look like a middle school basketball Saturday recreation team. We give up WAY too easily.

[jpotter33]

People seriously think this is about effort?  Seriously?  And brown is in during garbage time.  His play right now is less than meaningless.

You don't think the 3rd 1/4 massacre was at least partly due to effort?
We were passive beyond belief, we were practically bending over for the Wiz.

I absolutely don't think it's about effort.  What kind of sense does that make anyway?  You prefer to think that our guys choose not to try hard when the obvious answer is that we're at a serious talent disadvantage.  They have had huge runs in every game.  That's not an accident and it's not because the team isn't trying.

I went to a game this morning where my kids team beat the other one by 50 points.  They were trying as hard as they could but were outmanned.

Look effort isn't just about running as fast as you can down the court.  It is a mental approach as well.  The mentality to say we are going to stop this 15 point run right now while we are still in the game.  Part of that is effort.  The mental weakness allows the poor effort to continue.  We just don't have guys who are mentally tough.

We obviously have talented players on our team, maybe not good enough to win series with the cavs, but good enough to respond better than they did today.

Let me explain something, and I'll use my kids team as an analogy.  When they play they cons usually tell before the game starts whether the other team is better, worse, our about the same.  When a team is better, everything falls into plays and they look great.  When they aren't, things tend to fall apart. 

All that stuff about heart is garbage because talent wins out.

Lol I don't know how someone can watch this particular team struggle with "showing up" to certain games all season long and come away with such a non-sensical opinion.

This team was only as good as it was the last couple of years because of our heart. We simply don't have it this year due to an entitled attitude.

[celticinorlando]

Look at the runs the Wiz have gone on...17-0...22-0 and 26-0. unreal

[Ogaju]

Bradley hurt again

what happened? cant find anything on it.

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People seriously think this is about effort?  Seriously?  And brown is in during garbage time.  His play right now is less than meaningless.

You don't think the 3rd 1/4 massacre was at least partly due to effort?
We were passive beyond belief, we were practically bending over for the Wiz.

I absolutely don't think it's about effort.  What kind of sense does that make anyway?  You prefer to think that our guys choose not to try hard when the obvious answer is that we're at a serious talent disadvantage.  They have had huge runs in every game.  That's not an accident and it's not because the team isn't trying.

I went to a game this morning where my kids team beat the other one by 50 points.  They were trying as hard as they could but were outmanned.

Look effort isn't just about running as fast as you can down the court.  It is a mental approach as well.  The mentality to say we are going to stop this 15 point run right now while we are still in the game.  Part of that is effort.  The mental weakness allows the poor effort to continue.  We just don't have guys who are mentally tough.

We obviously have talented players on our team, maybe not good enough to win series with the cavs, but good enough to respond better than they did today.

Let me explain something, and I'll use my kids team as an analogy.  When they play they cons usually tell before the game starts whether the other team is better, worse, our about the same.  When a team is better, everything falls into plays and they look great.  When they aren't, things tend to fall apart. 

All that stuff about heart is garbage because talent wins out.

I don't care about your kids team analogies.  I disagree with you, sorry.

Yeah, because you think nba players are immune to this I guess.  You're wrong of course.  They recognize who's better at this stage too.  We have been overwhelmed at some point in every game. When they put it together, there isn't much we can do about.  26-0 is a lot, but they've had something similar in EVERY game. 

At what point will people acknowledge the talent disparity?

When will you realize that our teams problems aren't a parallel to your kids pee wee league games? 

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People seriously think this is about effort?  Seriously?  And brown is in during garbage time.  His play right now is less than meaningless.

You don't think the 3rd 1/4 massacre was at least partly due to effort?
We were passive beyond belief, we were practically bending over for the Wiz.

I absolutely don't think it's about effort.  What kind of sense does that make anyway?  You prefer to think that our guys choose not to try hard when the obvious answer is that we're at a serious talent disadvantage.  They have had huge runs in every game.  That's not an accident and it's not because the team isn't trying.

I went to a game this morning where my kids team beat the other one by 50 points.  They were trying as hard as they could but were outmanned.

Look effort isn't just about running as fast as you can down the court.  It is a mental approach as well.  The mentality to say we are going to stop this 15 point run right now while we are still in the game.  Part of that is effort.  The mental weakness allows the poor effort to continue.  We just don't have guys who are mentally tough.

We obviously have talented players on our team, maybe not good enough to win series with the cavs, but good enough to respond better than they did today.

Let me explain something, and I'll use my kids team as an analogy.  When they play they cons usually tell before the game starts whether the other team is better, worse, our about the same.  When a team is better, everything falls into plays and they look great.  When they aren't, things tend to fall apart. 

All that stuff about heart is garbage because talent wins out.

Lol I don't know how someone can watch this particular team struggle with "showing up" to certain games all season long and come away with such a non-sensical opinion.

This team was only as good as it was the last couple of years because of our heart. We simply don't have it this year due to an entitled attitude.

100% agree.  TP

[Ogaju]

I think the TURNING POINT in this series was when Morris threw Horford to the floor (No flagrant on that blatantly non-basketball move!!!) and NOT a SINGLE CELTIC had his back.

I think the series turned at that point.  The Wiz realized that we are SOFT and have NO BACKBONE and at that point they smelled blood in the water!!

Smitty77

Enough with the toughness and effort.  They have better players.

They have tougher players and refs that give the calls to Wall and NOT to the third leading scorer in the NBA!!!!

Smitty77

You need to anoint your star a superstar before he gets superstar calls. Apparently the refs have no problems issuing technical fouls to IT.

[droopdog7]

Talent breeds heart, effort, toughness, makes great coaches and whatever else you people want to say.