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Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2017, 08:50:08 PM »

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Certain we can find his skillet in a younger player. I will pass

Like who?

Millsap would be a good fit under cbs...especially sincr he can shoot the 3 , spread the floor, decent rebounder

Maybe AL will entice him to sign a short deal here

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2017, 09:15:50 PM »

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For 2-3 years I would. I don't think Griffin's changing teams and I'm looking for a PF. BOS version of PM/AH would be a much better team than the ATL version. This may be the last chance to sign a FA before we have to use free cap on our underpaid and rookie contracts and I would definitely do so rather than wait for the picks to come in and mature.

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2017, 09:34:41 PM »

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One thing to consider is that KO, IT, Smart and Avery all have contracts expiring within the next two years.  If we add another max or near max deal, two and possibly three of that group will have to go.  And we could be looking to add Zizic, Yabu and Nader.

Should we target guys like Ibaka, Taj Gibson and Ersan Iylasova?  If you go after them right away before the market thins out, we might be able to get a player on that level for half what Milsap might cost.

Mike

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2017, 09:37:12 PM »

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Millsap and horford played together in Atlanta and didn't accomplish anything. Why would we want to be a worse version of hawks team

They won 60 games and went to the EC Finals, that is not "nothing"

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2017, 09:38:28 PM »

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Only major UFA signing for this upcoming offseason

Lets say he is down to sign a 2 year deal with player option  (23 million per year...for 69 million in total) ...  a little discount to join the Celts

Would you be for or against this move?  (If for the move... what about the cap situation needing space to sign AB, IT4 etc..)

How much better would the Celtics be?

How would a lineup of Horford, Millsap, Crowder, AB, IT4 differ from a Hawks lineup that won 60 games a few seasons ago?

Millsap is a stud and has been for years, but we don't need a 4.  We need a 5.

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2017, 10:04:57 PM »

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One thing to consider is that KO, IT, Smart and Avery all have contracts expiring within the next two years.  If we add another max or near max deal, two and possibly three of that group will have to go.  And we could be looking to add Zizic, Yabu and Nader.

Should we target guys like Ibaka, Taj Gibson and Ersan Iylasova?  If you go after them right away before the market thins out, we might be able to get a player on that level for half what Milsap might cost.

Mike

Ibaka's going to get a huge contract from the Raptors, Gibson's a fine player in his own right but isn't half as versatile as Millsap and is functionally the same age, and Illyasova doesn't even belong in this conversation. There are real reasons to have some trepidation about making the kind of offer to Millsap that it would take to get him, but "we could sign Ersan Illyasova instead" isn't one of them.

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2017, 10:40:58 PM »

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Only major UFA signing for this upcoming offseason

Lets say he is down to sign a 2 year deal with player option  (23 million per year...for 69 million in total) ...  a little discount to join the Celts

Would you be for or against this move?  (If for the move... what about the cap situation needing space to sign AB, IT4 etc..)

How much better would the Celtics be?

How would a lineup of Horford, Millsap, Crowder, AB, IT4 differ from a Hawks lineup that won 60 games a few seasons ago?

Millsap is a stud and has been for years, but we don't need a 4.  We need a 5.

Horford says hi

He rocked Lopez...

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2017, 10:46:14 PM »

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Only major UFA signing for this upcoming offseason

Lets say he is down to sign a 2 year deal with player option  (23 million per year...for 69 million in total) ...  a little discount to join the Celts

Would you be for or against this move?  (If for the move... what about the cap situation needing space to sign AB, IT4 etc..)

How much better would the Celtics be?

How would a lineup of Horford, Millsap, Crowder, AB, IT4 differ from a Hawks lineup that won 60 games a few seasons ago?

Millsap is a stud and has been for years, but we don't need a 4.  We need a 5.

Horford says hi

He rocked Lopez...

A Robin Lopez that scored 65% from the field, way above his season and career percentage.

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2017, 11:11:58 PM »

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Only major UFA signing for this upcoming offseason

Lets say he is down to sign a 2 year deal with player option  (23 million per year...for 69 million in total) ...  a little discount to join the Celts

Would you be for or against this move?  (If for the move... what about the cap situation needing space to sign AB, IT4 etc..)

How much better would the Celtics be?

How would a lineup of Horford, Millsap, Crowder, AB, IT4 differ from a Hawks lineup that won 60 games a few seasons ago?

Millsap is a stud and has been for years, but we don't need a 4.  We need a 5.

Horford says hi

He rocked Lopez...

A Robin Lopez that scored 65% from the field, way above his season and career percentage.

He was also a -25 in +/- over the full series, and only registered a positive +/- in one game (the game 2 debacle) out of five, so it's not like Boston was totally stymied when he was out there. RoLo did his thing, and I like him as a player (in fact, I'd like him as a change-of-pace center behind Horford a lot), but Boston makes it work with Horford in the middle.

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2017, 01:20:53 AM »

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I'd give him a 2 year deal. No more.
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Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2017, 01:30:01 AM »

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One thing to consider is that KO, IT, Smart and Avery all have contracts expiring within the next two years.  If we add another max or near max deal, two and possibly three of that group will have to go.  And we could be looking to add Zizic, Yabu and Nader.

Should we target guys like Ibaka, Taj Gibson and Ersan Iylasova?  If you go after them right away before the market thins out, we might be able to get a player on that level for half what Milsap might cost.

Mike

Ibaka's going to get a huge contract from the Raptors, Gibson's a fine player in his own right but isn't half as versatile as Millsap and is functionally the same age, and Illyasova doesn't even belong in this conversation. There are real reasons to have some trepidation about making the kind of offer to Millsap that it would take to get him, but "we could sign Ersan Illyasova instead" isn't one of them.

It's not just a question of talent.  Salary issues also have to be considered, both immediately and longer term.  As has been mentioned before, give a max deal to Milsap or anyone and you immediately lose Amir, Jerebko, Green and KO but resigning IT, Avery AND Smart also becomes almost impossible.  At worst you might only be able to keep one.

Look at the Warriors.  To resign both Curry and Durant is going to cost them virtually their entire bench.  Maybe Iguodala agrees to stay for peanuts because he's already made so much money but who else is going to give up not millions but 10s of millions of dollars?  They're still going to be great but I don't think people understand that the gap between GSW and the rest of the league will close considerably as soon as next year.

The question isn't "Is Iylasova better than Milsap?"  It's whether Iylasova, KO, IT, Avery and Smart are better than just Milsap and IT.

Mike

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2017, 02:47:43 AM »

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One thing to consider is that KO, IT, Smart and Avery all have contracts expiring within the next two years.  If we add another max or near max deal, two and possibly three of that group will have to go.  And we could be looking to add Zizic, Yabu and Nader.

Should we target guys like Ibaka, Taj Gibson and Ersan Iylasova?  If you go after them right away before the market thins out, we might be able to get a player on that level for half what Milsap might cost.

Mike

Ibaka's going to get a huge contract from the Raptors, Gibson's a fine player in his own right but isn't half as versatile as Millsap and is functionally the same age, and Illyasova doesn't even belong in this conversation. There are real reasons to have some trepidation about making the kind of offer to Millsap that it would take to get him, but "we could sign Ersan Illyasova instead" isn't one of them.

It's not just a question of talent.  Salary issues also have to be considered, both immediately and longer term.  As has been mentioned before, give a max deal to Milsap or anyone and you immediately lose Amir, Jerebko, Green and KO but resigning IT, Avery AND Smart also becomes almost impossible.  At worst you might only be able to keep one.

Look at the Warriors.  To resign both Curry and Durant is going to cost them virtually their entire bench.  Maybe Iguodala agrees to stay for peanuts because he's already made so much money but who else is going to give up not millions but 10s of millions of dollars?  They're still going to be great but I don't think people understand that the gap between GSW and the rest of the league will close considerably as soon as next year.

The question isn't "Is Iylasova better than Milsap?"  It's whether Iylasova, KO, IT, Avery and Smart are better than just Milsap and IT.

Mike
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Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2017, 04:54:25 AM »

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Only major UFA signing for this upcoming offseason

Lets say he is down to sign a 2 year deal with player option  (23 million per year...for 69 million in total) ...  a little discount to join the Celts

Would you be for or against this move?  (If for the move... what about the cap situation needing space to sign AB, IT4 etc..)

How much better would the Celtics be?

How would a lineup of Horford, Millsap, Crowder, AB, IT4 differ from a Hawks lineup that won 60 games a few seasons ago?

Millsap is a stud and has been for years, but we don't need a 4.  We need a 5.

We need a 4 defensively. Horford can't guard NBA PF's. He destroyed Lopez but he isnt quick enough to defend anyone but nba C's.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2017, 06:22:57 AM »

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Only major UFA signing for this upcoming offseason

Lets say he is down to sign a 2 year deal with player option  (23 million per year...for 69 million in total) ...  a little discount to join the Celts

Would you be for or against this move?  (If for the move... what about the cap situation needing space to sign AB, IT4 etc..)

How much better would the Celtics be?

How would a lineup of Horford, Millsap, Crowder, AB, IT4 differ from a Hawks lineup that won 60 games a few seasons ago?

Millsap is a stud and has been for years, but we don't need a 4.  We need a 5.

We need a 4 defensively. Horford can't guard NBA PF's. He destroyed Lopez but he isnt quick enough to defend anyone but nba C's.
So someone like Cauley Stein?
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Re: Good idea or bad idea: sign Paul Millsap in the offseason
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2017, 06:46:28 AM »

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I would think Milsap is a our plan C, not in plan A or B.