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Offline crimson_stallion

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What do you think now? Are you satisfied with where this team is? Has this been a successful season?  Is IT now a proven max guy? Has Horford been a great addition? Is Bradley a real deal #2/#3 option that can give you All-NBA defense and should be kept? Is Brad Stevens vindicated as a top coach in this league?

My view hasnt Raani changed much.

Not satisfied with where the team is.   I feel a Rondo injury and KG speech were the only things saving this team from becoming the first #1 seed ever Ti be knocked off by a #8 seed.

The season has been successful,  but not as successful as it could have been.  I knew changed needed to be made for the team to be at its best,  and after this series I haven't changed my mind on that.   We need to add either a proper starting calibre Pf, or another go-to scorer,  abd I think that's been made clear on numerous occasions in this series 

IT is definitely a proven Max guy - ive felt that way since last season,  so my thoughts haven't changed there.

I wouldn't say Horford has been a great addition.  I'd say he's been an ok addition.  There have been times where he's looked like a terrible addition given what were paying,  but his play in the playoffs thus far has come pretty close to justifying his contract.   We'll have to see if he keeps that up before coming to certain conclusions.  I expect more then 2 weeks of quality output from a $30m man, so well see.

Bradley absolutely is a real deal #3 guy. On a championship team, and I've had no doubts about that for about 2 years now.

Brad Steven's im still undecided on.   He makes some great decisions and some questionable ones.   And the fact that it took a Kg speech to motivate the team leaves me questioning coach's motivational skills (and that of Horford, who's vet leadership was supposed to be his biggest advantage).


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Brad and the players are the only one that want to win badly every single game.
FO and Danny are on a different set of mind. They mention it many times that this team is not built yet. They are looking for a star or 2 before they finalize the roster and contend.

All of you who believe there might be a failure or a success based on the regular season and or the playoff, are simply not getting it. Nothing is expected from this team right now.
We are not playing and planning to be better each year. This is what other mid-range teams are doing. In Boston, we raised banner or we build for it. No in between ECF or 2nd round goals bull****.

Just enjoy this team in the playoffs and be patient.
This summer should be great.

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Brad and the players are the only one that want to win badly every single game.
FO and Danny are on a different set of mind. They mention it many times that this team is not built yet. They are looking for a star or 2 before they finalize the roster and contend.

All of you who believe there might be a failure or a success based on the regular season and or the playoff, are simply not getting it. Nothing is expected from this team right now.
We are not playing and planning to be better each year. This is what other mid-range teams are doing. In Boston, we raised banner or we build for it. No in between ECF or 2nd round goals bull****.

Just enjoy this team in the playoffs and be patient.
This summer should be great.

Generally I agree with you.  But "success" does impact the plan, whether it's team success (wins) making the team more appealing to FAs (and fans) or individual success (improvement) making trade assetts more valuable.  Doing better each year, unless you are tanking, has an impact on the build - and that absolutely is something DA an FO hope for.

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Brad and the players are the only one that want to win badly every single game.
FO and Danny are on a different set of mind. They mention it many times that this team is not built yet. They are looking for a star or 2 before they finalize the roster and contend.

All of you who believe there might be a failure or a success based on the regular season and or the playoff, are simply not getting it. Nothing is expected from this team right now.
We are not playing and planning to be better each year. This is what other mid-range teams are doing. In Boston, we raised banner or we build for it. No in between ECF or 2nd round goals bull****.

Just enjoy this team in the playoffs and be patient.
This summer should be great.

Completely disagree with this.  They won 53 games, after 48 last year.  Expectations come from that type of record.

If they win 60 games next year and fail to advance to the ECF, would you say the same thing?  Of course not.

That is not to say they are expected to win it all, but they are expected to play like a 53 win team in the playoffs, which generally means getting to the 2nd or 3rd round.  If they did not, that would be a failure.

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Meet or Exceeded my expectations .by capturing   Over 50 wins, 1st place seed over LeBron ,  won first playoff round for new team and coach. Nice milestones IMO.

The comeback from 0-2 to Bulls u nder those circumstances was amazing given the personal tragedy to our best player.  That was thrilling final four wins. Basically a sweep after spotting them two home games.

Add a top four pick this summer that's pretty decent haul and improvement for a non star loaded team .



Letting Boogie slip though for peanuts to NO was a huge disappointment for me. Lack of quality true center is so disappointing.  Coach needs to work on his motivational skills.  He needs to be more of a leader and less a robot.  Great planner ,  below average talker., maybe too soft spoken , these are men , they know cuss words , they know  harsh language ....he seems to treat them like 10 year olds .


Any suscess in second round is way more than I expected. 

So at this point win or lose against Washington I'm ok.

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What do you think now? Are you satisfied with where this team is? Has this been a successful season?  Is IT now a proven max guy? Has Horford been a great addition? Is Bradley a real deal #2/#3 option that can give you All-NBA defense and should be kept? Is Brad Stevens vindicated as a top coach in this league?

This isn't a call out thread. I want to honestly know if this series win has changed your mind on anything.

I don't think the series has changed my mind about anything. Perhaps it makes me more concerned about our vulnerability against above-average PGs, but that's about it.

We still have the same strengths and the same weaknesses. I'm still of the "build around this core" mindset.

I am of that mindset. But I can't honestly say that I know what the core is. Smart's recent remark about them being a family confirms what they show on the court: team-first guys with great chemistry, in the grand old Celtics Tradition.

Is Jerebko part of the core? We can assume that he isn't, in terms of talent - but only if your standard for "core" players is how talented they are by some absolute standard.  He's a perfect 10th man - and you have to have a 10th man. The benchmark for a 10th man is different than for a regular rotation player or starter; in terms of talent, he's one of the top 10th men in the league. Plays physical, position defense; always knows where to be; coach on the floor; executes the game plan; strong outside shooter; moves the ball; plays within himself; stays ready when he's out of the rotation...

So - as long as the money is right - don't you keep a guy like that? The standard line from GM's/PBO's is: "No one is untouchable". If you need him to make a transcendent deal, do it.  Otherwise, he's part of the core.

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Letting Boogie slip though for peanuts to NO was a huge disappointment for me.


No need to be disappointed.  He wore out his welcome and fetched pennies on the dollar for a reason.  If the ample evidence that he's a locker room cancer didn't convince the Celtics brass, they could have had a little chat with Isaiah Thomas to settle the matter. They probably did, come to think of it.

Boston, maybe more than most teams, is making a team-first roster a priority.

Life is short - and championship windows are a lot shorter.
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Can we please put an end to the mythology about Olynyk being soft/slow/specialist shooter/heartless/inconsistent/whatever? He's added a big repertoire of roll action to his pop, leads the team in defensive rebound%, is one of the league leaders in drawn charges, pressures out on the floor, gets lots of deflections... etc....

There's no myth, he's been wildly inconsistent the whole season, and has looked like absolute garbage after the first two games. People were right to call him out. If anything, we should call him out more often, as he seems to respond well to criticism. He was great the rest of the series, though.


Not sure what you're looking at, but maybe this helps: Kelly consistently helps the team win.

"Garbage after the first two games" - really? Brad Stevens obviously does not agree, since in Game 5 he had Olynyk in from late 3rd (when the Bulls had the lead) through crunch time, when the Celts built their biggest lead.

You certainly are sure of yourself, but you'll have to bring better to persuade me.

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So now I ask, for those that answered that it hasn't changed their minds...would a loss in the first round have changed your minds about anything? If we lost in the first round in an 0-4, 1-4, or 2-4 manner would all your opinions still have remained the same about all the questions I asked?

Are you satisfied with where this team is? Has this been a successful season?  Is IT now a proven max guy? Has Horford been a great addition? Is Bradley a real deal #2/#3 option that can give you All-NBA defense and should be kept? Is Brad Stevens a top coach in this league?

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So now I ask, for those that answered that it hasn't changed their minds...would a loss in the first round have changed your minds about anything? If we lost in the first round in an 0-4, 1-4, or 2-4 manner would all your opinions still have remained the same about all the questions I asked?

Are you satisfied with where this team is? Has this been a successful season?  Is IT now a proven max guy? Has Horford been a great addition? Is Bradley a real deal #2/#3 option that can give you All-NBA defense and should be kept? Is Brad Stevens a top coach in this league?

I started by saying that my mind had not been changed, then said a few ways that it had...

If they'd lost the Bulls series, no matter how many games, my faith would have been shaken.

Am I satisfied with where the team is? I'll resort to Ainge's remark after the trade deadline: I love the guys on the team now. And then I'll recall his remark after being asked if they could contend: well, miracles can happen. The team is not a finished product, but adding one guy who can both fit and create his own shot could make the difference.

Horford was the perfect addition.  Since Ainge came on board, he's been talking about building a team that you can run offense through the bigs. Of all the bigs in the league, Horford might be the ideal player to fill the bill.  For the same reason, they'll re-sign Olynyk, with the important caveat of the price being right. For the same reason, Ante Zizic' future on the Boston Celtics is doubtful, while Guerschon Yabusele's is bright.
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Getting past the first round, especially after getting down 0-2 at home, definitely was the biggest accomplishment this year : I always wondered, since IT got here, wheter the team was a regular season team, that can't win the playoffs. Sure, Rondo being out helped, but the team as a whole showed a great resiliency and I think they'll play better now, knowing that they can win a series and come back from tough situations.

With that said, the team definitely needs a big who can rebound and score, and, most of all, a second scorer to help IT. Nothing has changed on that front.

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Letting Boogie slip though for peanuts to NO was a huge disappointment for me.


No need to be disappointed.  He wore out his welcome and fetched pennies on the dollar for a reason.  If the ample evidence that he's a locker room cancer didn't convince the Celtics brass, they could have had a little chat with Isaiah Thomas to settle the matter. They probably did, come to think of it.

Boston, maybe more than most teams, is making a team-first roster a priority.

Life is short - and championship windows are a lot shorter.
its been said IT was actually pulling for a Cousins trade read it just recently
"7ft PG. Rondo leaves and GUESS WHAT? We got a BIGGER point guard!"-Tommy on Olynyk


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Isaiah is a max guy.

Horford isn't a max guy. (Greate series, but he's a fringe all-star this has always been my position)

Bradley is a really good starting player. (He's our 3rd best player, this has always been my opinion and he's confirmed that this play-offs sorry crowder).

I think we need another player on IT's level (Butler???) and a rebounding shot blocker who can finish around the basket. That's when I'll be convinced we are a contender, but as of right now our ceiling isn't much higher than the Wiz or Raptors. I don't think we can win a championship as is.

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Letting Boogie slip though for peanuts to NO was a huge disappointment for me.


No need to be disappointed.  He wore out his welcome and fetched pennies on the dollar for a reason.  If the ample evidence that he's a locker room cancer didn't convince the Celtics brass, they could have had a little chat with Isaiah Thomas to settle the matter. They probably did, come to think of it.

Boston, maybe more than most teams, is making a team-first roster a priority.

Life is short - and championship windows are a lot shorter.
its been said IT was actually pulling for a Cousins trade read it just recently

Perhaps you could provide a link.  After all, you can't believe just anything you read on the Internet, can you? Just cause it's said don't make it so, you know.
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