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How Good is Our Future, Really?
« on: April 21, 2017, 12:10:01 PM »

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I posted a majority of this comment on another thread, but realized it was kind of off-topic.

I see a lot of talk on the Blog about how the future is our time.  Names like Jaylen, Smart, both Nets picks, and sometimes Rozier get thrown out there.  And I don't disagree.  However...

How good of a future are our young people/assets, really?  The Nets picks are still unknowns and I won't enter the controversy about Danny being a 'bad drafter', but we should all be able to agree that drafting isn't his strongest suit.  I'd say he's gone 1 for 2  in the top 6 so far.

Let's be real.  The Bucks, Wolves and even Philly with their picks look like they may have brighter future cores than ours.  The Sixers could own two top 5 picks this year, and let's not forget Embiid and Simmons both have higher upside than anyone on our entire roster. 

I love Smart's D but offense is simply more important, and Smart is bad at it.  He's less of a prospect than Wiggins; he's probably less of a prospect than Middleton.  Jaylen is less of a prospect than both Towns and the Greek Freak.  And that doesn't even include Lavine's upside, a Wolves lotto pick in a deep draft, Jabari Parker, Maker, & Brogdon (who owns us).

Even if the future is our time, and even if we pick the BPA with both picks (however high they turn out to be) - can we really say in early 2017 that we have a top 3 young core/asset pool?
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Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2017, 12:38:45 PM »

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I posted a majority of this comment on another thread, but realized it was kind of off-topic.

I see a lot of talk on the Blog about how the future is our time.  Names like Jaylen, Smart, both Nets picks, and sometimes Rozier get thrown out there.  And I don't disagree.  However...

How good of a future are our young people/assets, really?  The Nets picks are still unknowns and I won't enter the controversy about Danny being a 'bad drafter', but we should all be able to agree that drafting isn't his strongest suit.  I'd say he's gone 1 for 2  in the top 6 so far.

Let's be real.  The Bucks, Wolves and even Philly with their picks look like they may have brighter future cores than ours.  The Sixers could own two top 5 picks this year, and let's not forget Embiid and Simmons both have higher upside than anyone on our entire roster. 

I love Smart's D but offense is simply more important, and Smart is bad at it.  He's less of a prospect than Wiggins; he's probably less of a prospect than Middleton.  Jaylen is less of a prospect than both Towns and the Greek Freak.  And that doesn't even include Lavine's upside, a Wolves lotto pick in a deep draft, Jabari Parker, Maker, & Brogdon (who owns us).

Even if the future is our time, and even if we pick the BPA with both picks (however high they turn out to be) - can we really say in early 2017 that we have a top 3 young core/asset pool?

Good questions, one and all.

I, too, am less than sold on the future of this franchise, particularly if the draft is where we end up putting all our marbles because Ainge lacks the fortitude to deal.

His draft record, wildly distorted on this this blog by his supporters, simply isn't good enough to warrant my faith.
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Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2017, 12:52:52 PM »

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I posted a majority of this comment on another thread, but realized it was kind of off-topic.

I see a lot of talk on the Blog about how the future is our time.  Names like Jaylen, Smart, both Nets picks, and sometimes Rozier get thrown out there.  And I don't disagree.  However...

How good of a future are our young people/assets, really?  The Nets picks are still unknowns and I won't enter the controversy about Danny being a 'bad drafter', but we should all be able to agree that drafting isn't his strongest suit.  I'd say he's gone 1 for 2  in the top 6 so far.

Let's be real.  The Bucks, Wolves and even Philly with their picks look like they may have brighter future cores than ours.  The Sixers could own two top 5 picks this year, and let's not forget Embiid and Simmons both have higher upside than anyone on our entire roster. 

I love Smart's D but offense is simply more important, and Smart is bad at it.  He's less of a prospect than Wiggins; he's probably less of a prospect than Middleton.  Jaylen is less of a prospect than both Towns and the Greek Freak.  And that doesn't even include Lavine's upside, a Wolves lotto pick in a deep draft, Jabari Parker, Maker, & Brogdon (who owns us).

Even if the future is our time, and even if we pick the BPA with both picks (however high they turn out to be) - can we really say in early 2017 that we have a top 3 young core/asset pool?

Good questions, one and all.

I, too, am less than sold on the future of this franchise, particularly if the draft is where we end up putting all our marbles because Ainge lacks the fortitude to deal.

His draft record, wildly distorted on this this blog by his supporters, simply isn't good enough to warrant my faith.

LOL.

We all know that if you were running things we would be hunting banner 22 right now.

Ainge is a clear cut, no debate, top 5 GM in this league.

Your constant whining on the matter gets quite old.

Who did you think Danny needed to pick in this draft again?

when you compare anyone to perfection it is easy to pick at their faults.

"Ainge lacks the fortitude to deal"?

That is legitimately one of the most foolish things I have ever read on this board.

His nickname is trader Danny, but he lacks the fortitude to deal?

What?

Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2017, 01:05:28 PM »

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Let's talk about it this way:


Imagine that the Celts roster was a bunch of veteran expiring contracts and the following guys:

- Jaylen Brown
- Marcus Smart
- Terry Rozier
- Jordan Mickey
- Demetrius Jackson

That means next year you'd have those guys, plus the following:

- Top 4 2017 pick
- #36 2017
- A couple second round picks from the 50-60 range
- Ante Zizic
- Guerschon Yabusele



Simply going on that, how would you feel our group of young assets stacks up to teams like Minnesota, Phoenix, Philadelphia, Sacramento, Orlando, LAL?


Of course, we can also look forward to 2018 BRK and 2018 BOS 1sts, as well as that Grizz pick, whenever we get it, and a 2019 Clips pick.
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Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2017, 01:09:59 PM »

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I posted a majority of this comment on another thread, but realized it was kind of off-topic.

I see a lot of talk on the Blog about how the future is our time.  Names like Jaylen, Smart, both Nets picks, and sometimes Rozier get thrown out there.  And I don't disagree.  However...

How good of a future are our young people/assets, really?  The Nets picks are still unknowns and I won't enter the controversy about Danny being a 'bad drafter', but we should all be able to agree that drafting isn't his strongest suit.  I'd say he's gone 1 for 2  in the top 6 so far.

Let's be real.  The Bucks, Wolves and even Philly with their picks look like they may have brighter future cores than ours.  The Sixers could own two top 5 picks this year, and let's not forget Embiid and Simmons both have higher upside than anyone on our entire roster. 

I love Smart's D but offense is simply more important, and Smart is bad at it.  He's less of a prospect than Wiggins; he's probably less of a prospect than Middleton.  Jaylen is less of a prospect than both Towns and the Greek Freak.  And that doesn't even include Lavine's upside, a Wolves lotto pick in a deep draft, Jabari Parker, Maker, & Brogdon (who owns us).

Even if the future is our time, and even if we pick the BPA with both picks (however high they turn out to be) - can we really say in early 2017 that we have a top 3 young core/asset pool?

Good questions, one and all.

I, too, am less than sold on the future of this franchise, particularly if the draft is where we end up putting all our marbles because Ainge lacks the fortitude to deal.

His draft record, wildly distorted on this this blog by his supporters, simply isn't good enough to warrant my faith.

LOL.

We all know that if you were running things we would be hunting banner 22 right now.

Ainge is a clear cut, no debate, top 5 GM in this league.

Your constant whining on the matter gets quite old.

Who did you think Danny needed to pick in this draft again?

when you compare anyone to perfection it is easy to pick at their faults.

"Ainge lacks the fortitude to deal"?

That is legitimately one of the most foolish things I have ever read on this board.

His nickname is trader Danny, but he lacks the fortitude to deal?

What?

Can we have Coachbo post without people immediately attacking him (or her, don't want to be presumptuous.) Sure he is a bit more pessimistic than the average CBer, but every board needs that. And this is coming from someone on the other side of the Jaylen fence as him.
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Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2017, 01:14:18 PM »

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- Jaylen Brown
- Marcus Smart
- Terry Rozier
- Jordan Mickey
- Demetrius Jackson

That means next year you'd have those guys, plus the following:

- Top 4 2017 pick
- #36 2017
- A couple second round picks from the 50-60 range
- Ante Zizic
- Guerschon Yabusele
As far as I am concerned, this list has 2 role players, 2 NBDL players, 3 unknowns, and a bunch of picks. It's not a bad haul to have in your back pocket, but there isn't one item I can point at here and say without reservations that it's the real thing.

Building a successful team takes a lot more than individual talent, but I too seem to think that the future is not as bright it might seem, considering how our current "young veteran core" has bombed so far.
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Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2017, 01:14:29 PM »

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That means next year you'd have those guys, plus the following:

- Top 4 2017 pick
- #36 2017
- A couple second round picks from the 50-60 range
- Ante Zizic
- Guerschon Yabusele

After watching the Red Claws in the playoffs, I am astounded that folks think Yabusele is going to a major force anytime soon.

Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2017, 01:20:55 PM »

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That means next year you'd have those guys, plus the following:

- Top 4 2017 pick
- #36 2017
- A couple second round picks from the 50-60 range
- Ante Zizic
- Guerschon Yabusele

After watching the Red Claws in the playoffs, I am astounded that folks think Yabusele is going to a major force anytime soon.

Yeah, I'm not convinced he's an NBA player.
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Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2017, 01:25:47 PM »

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- Jaylen Brown
- Marcus Smart
- Terry Rozier
- Jordan Mickey
- Demetrius Jackson

That means next year you'd have those guys, plus the following:

- Top 4 2017 pick
- #36 2017
- A couple second round picks from the 50-60 range
- Ante Zizic
- Guerschon Yabusele
As far as I am concerned, this list has 2 role players, 2 NBDL players, 3 unknowns, and a bunch of picks. It's not a bad haul to have in your back pocket, but there isn't one item I can point at here and say without reservations that it's the real thing.

Building a successful team takes a lot more than individual talent, but I too seem to think that the future is not as bright it might seem, considering how our current "young veteran core" has bombed so far.


Personally I look at that list and feel it's a decent enough starting point.  Still, you're right that other than Jaylen Brown and the top 4 2017 pick, it's rather slim pickings.

If you sent out a starting lineup next season of Smart, Brown, Nets 2017, Rozier/Mickey, and Zizic, I think that team would have a difficult time getting to 15 wins.

Nonetheless, the Celts are in a position where they can try to juice this current group into a contender, or they can sell off the win-now assets they have and go all-in on youth. 

While the youth and picks the team has right now wouldn't be enough to make a future contender, it's not a bad starting point if the team had to go for a youth movement.  I'd say it would be kinda like beginning a rebuild a few years in as opposed to having to start entirely from scratch and totally tank for 3-4 years to build a talent base.
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Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2017, 01:28:00 PM »

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I posted a majority of this comment on another thread, but realized it was kind of off-topic.

I see a lot of talk on the Blog about how the future is our time.  Names like Jaylen, Smart, both Nets picks, and sometimes Rozier get thrown out there.  And I don't disagree.  However...

How good of a future are our young people/assets, really?  The Nets picks are still unknowns and I won't enter the controversy about Danny being a 'bad drafter', but we should all be able to agree that drafting isn't his strongest suit.  I'd say he's gone 1 for 2  in the top 6 so far.

Let's be real.  The Bucks, Wolves and even Philly with their picks look like they may have brighter future cores than ours.  The Sixers could own two top 5 picks this year, and let's not forget Embiid and Simmons both have higher upside than anyone on our entire roster. 

I love Smart's D but offense is simply more important, and Smart is bad at it.  He's less of a prospect than Wiggins; he's probably less of a prospect than Middleton.  Jaylen is less of a prospect than both Towns and the Greek Freak.  And that doesn't even include Lavine's upside, a Wolves lotto pick in a deep draft, Jabari Parker, Maker, & Brogdon (who owns us).

Even if the future is our time, and even if we pick the BPA with both picks (however high they turn out to be) - can we really say in early 2017 that we have a top 3 young core/asset pool?

Good questions, one and all.

I, too, am less than sold on the future of this franchise, particularly if the draft is where we end up putting all our marbles because Ainge lacks the fortitude to deal.

His draft record, wildly distorted on this this blog by his supporters, simply isn't good enough to warrant my faith.

LOL.

We all know that if you were running things we would be hunting banner 22 right now.

Ainge is a clear cut, no debate, top 5 GM in this league.

Your constant whining on the matter gets quite old.

Who did you think Danny needed to pick in this draft again?

when you compare anyone to perfection it is easy to pick at their faults.

"Ainge lacks the fortitude to deal"?

That is legitimately one of the most foolish things I have ever read on this board.

His nickname is trader Danny, but he lacks the fortitude to deal?

What?
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Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2017, 01:28:18 PM »

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That means next year you'd have those guys, plus the following:

- Top 4 2017 pick
- #36 2017
- A couple second round picks from the 50-60 range
- Ante Zizic
- Guerschon Yabusele

After watching the Red Claws in the playoffs, I am astounded that folks think Yabusele is going to a major force anytime soon.
yes, let's wait and see on zizic and yabusele. they both look to have promise, but we really wont know for another 2-3 years.
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Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2017, 01:33:29 PM »

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- Jaylen Brown
- Marcus Smart
- Terry Rozier
- Jordan Mickey
- Demetrius Jackson

That means next year you'd have those guys, plus the following:

- Top 4 2017 pick
- #36 2017
- A couple second round picks from the 50-60 range
- Ante Zizic
- Guerschon Yabusele
As far as I am concerned, this list has 2 role players, 2 NBDL players, 3 unknowns, and a bunch of picks. It's not a bad haul to have in your back pocket, but there isn't one item I can point at here and say without reservations that it's the real thing.

Building a successful team takes a lot more than individual talent, but I too seem to think that the future is not as bright it might seem, considering how our current "young veteran core" has bombed so far.


Personally I look at that list and feel it's a decent enough starting point.  Still, you're right that other than Jaylen Brown and the top 4 2017 pick, it's rather slim pickings.

If you sent out a starting lineup next season of Smart, Brown, Nets 2017, Rozier/Mickey, and Zizic, I think that team would have a difficult time getting to 15 wins.

Nonetheless, the Celts are in a position where they can try to juice this current group into a contender, or they can sell off the win-now assets they have and go all-in on youth. 

While the youth and picks the team has right now wouldn't be enough to make a future contender, it's not a bad starting point if the team had to go for a youth movement.  I'd say it would be kinda like beginning a rebuild a few years in as opposed to having to start entirely from scratch and totally tank for 3-4 years to build a talent base.
My point is that on the asset front, there's nothing to point at and say that it's worth building around. This may well change with the current draft, but I feel that our success is largely predicated on how good the current core can be down the road... and the current core has whiffed pretty badly when it has mattered... at least so far.
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Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2017, 01:42:05 PM »

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I posted a majority of this comment on another thread, but realized it was kind of off-topic.

I see a lot of talk on the Blog about how the future is our time.  Names like Jaylen, Smart, both Nets picks, and sometimes Rozier get thrown out there.  And I don't disagree.  However...

How good of a future are our young people/assets, really?  The Nets picks are still unknowns and I won't enter the controversy about Danny being a 'bad drafter', but we should all be able to agree that drafting isn't his strongest suit.  I'd say he's gone 1 for 2  in the top 6 so far.

Let's be real.  The Bucks, Wolves and even Philly with their picks look like they may have brighter future cores than ours.  The Sixers could own two top 5 picks this year, and let's not forget Embiid and Simmons both have higher upside than anyone on our entire roster. 

I love Smart's D but offense is simply more important, and Smart is bad at it.  He's less of a prospect than Wiggins; he's probably less of a prospect than Middleton.  Jaylen is less of a prospect than both Towns and the Greek Freak.  And that doesn't even include Lavine's upside, a Wolves lotto pick in a deep draft, Jabari Parker, Maker, & Brogdon (who owns us).

Even if the future is our time, and even if we pick the BPA with both picks (however high they turn out to be) - can we really say in early 2017 that we have a top 3 young core/asset pool?

Good questions, one and all.

I, too, am less than sold on the future of this franchise, particularly if the draft is where we end up putting all our marbles because Ainge lacks the fortitude to deal.

His draft record, wildly distorted on this this blog by his supporters, simply isn't good enough to warrant my faith.

LOL.

We all know that if you were running things we would be hunting banner 22 right now.

Ainge is a clear cut, no debate, top 5 GM in this league.

Your constant whining on the matter gets quite old.

Who did you think Danny needed to pick in this draft again?

when you compare anyone to perfection it is easy to pick at their faults.

"Ainge lacks the fortitude to deal"?

That is legitimately one of the most foolish things I have ever read on this board.

His nickname is trader Danny, but he lacks the fortitude to deal?

What?

Can we have Coachbo post without people immediately attacking him (or her, don't want to be presumptuous.) Sure he is a bit more pessimistic than the average CBer, but every board needs that. And this is coming from someone on the other side of the Jaylen fence as him.

"A bit more pessimistic"

lol, that is like saying mount everest is just a hill.

Saying Ainge "lacks the fortitude to deal" is an absolutely rediculous thing to say, and should be called out.

Re: How Good is Our Future, Really?
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Let's see.



50 win team
Flexibility up to a max player in terms of cap
top 4 pick this year.
Another lotto pick next year without having to tank. 

I am good with the current future. 

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50 win team
Flexibility up to a max player in terms of cap
top 4 pick this year.
Another lotto pick next year without having to tank. 

I am good with the current future.

But if the C's get swept by the Bulls or lose to the #8 seeded Bulls, free agents will not want to come play for Boston- they simply suck and are overrated. That leaves us with lottery luck.