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Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2017, 04:58:07 AM »

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This will go down as the pivotal moment in Ainges career. The day he passed on a top-five player in the NBA and a player who could end up being the best player in the NBA in three years. The Greek Freak.

 This is why you draft boom or bust every pick you get, until your team is almost complete. Then you can draft role players like Olynyk.

 Even though you know Kelly will be a rotation player guaranteed, you still take the guy with a 50% bust chance, and a small chance that the guy becomes all world like Gianni's has.

 Way back then in 2012 people were calling him a Scottie pippen type. Brady went pick #199 in the NFL draft.

 Going fifteenth in the NBA draft and if he becomes the best player in the NBA that's a similar type steal in NBA terms.

 The kid is everything the Celtics need right now.

Top NBA forwards younger than 28 years are:

Kawhi Leonard -                15th pick
Giannis Antetokuonmpo - 15th pick
Jimmy Butler -                  30th pick
Paul George -                    10th pick

They were drafted at the average spot of 17,5 pick. All are studs, and you can make a case that the 17th non-lottery pick is fairly obtainable each year. That said, you can argument that all 30 GMs made at least 3 huge blunders within this decade, that they would happily correct.
Draft and talent evaluation is not an easy task.

Let's talk about Milmaukee GM and how he screw up with its roster 2 times (at PG and Center position (complete misfit) until he get lucky to pick Brogdon (who btw is not the typical rookie, he's 24 years old). Now they are back to playoff thanks to a bit of luck at the draft.
People forget...

Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2017, 05:07:09 AM »

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I know it's beating a dead horse but it's what makes basketball really frustrating. If you don't have one of those transcendental talents it makes winning a title extremely difficult, and winning multiple titles almost impossible. I don't blame Ainge for missing on Giannis (well maybe a little) but it's just evidence of how critical it is to not miss when you have that chance to get a superstar.

Ainge hasn't drafted poorly, but he also hasn't been able to hit big in the draft for awhile now. Drafting teenagers certainly is difficult, but at some point you need to hit a pick out of the park. It's fine to say you're going to trade for a star, but the problem is one has to be available. They're not typically available for a reason, and when they are they're usually older rather than younger.

Their chance to really win a title with this team may have passed when Durant turned them down last summer. Sure, they could still get a lesser star but Durant is one of those once-in-a-lifetime type players. Horford is a win-now/soon kind of acquisition. Isaiah will be asking for the max next year and it's unclear how well he'll perform into his 30s (he will be 29.5 years old when his deal is up) since speed is a big part of his game.

For that reason I think Ainge is trying to hold on to the Brooklyn picks unless something comes along that will truly vault them to Cavaliers/Warriors status. Otherwise it's wise to wait until those teams slow down in a few years. It stinks but that's how basketball works. Those teams are just way too loaded right now. You're talking about a team like the Warriors with four all-stars and at least two surefire HOFs. We only have two players who are sometimes all-stars, and zero surefire HOFs.

Every year you don't hit it big in the draft is kind of a wasted year in your rebuild. We would be a lot further along now if, way back in 2014 we had taken Giannis. But we didn't, so we're not. We have some nice pieces, but once a player's rookie deal is up their value plummets unless they are truly worth that max deal. Someone at any other skill level is almost always overpaid and you can only overpay guys when your superstars are already on the roster and you feel comfortable re-signing homegrown guys over the cap. Otherwise you end up like Sullinger, a not-bad pick who ceased to be a bargain once his rookie deal ended. Olynyk is soon going to be in the same boat.

I think the other problem is there always was a ceiling to how good Olynyk could be due to his age and athletic shortcomings. He would have really had to become an unbelievable shooter to be a starter on a serious team, and even then it's just really hard to build a team around his defensive flaws.
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Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2017, 05:12:25 AM »

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This will go down as the pivotal moment in Ainges career. The day he passed on a top-five player in the NBA and a player who could end up being the best player in the NBA in three years. The Greek Freak.

 This is why you draft boom or bust every pick you get, until your team is almost complete. Then you can draft role players like Olynyk.

 Even though you know Kelly will be a rotation player guaranteed, you still take the guy with a 50% bust chance, and a small chance that the guy becomes all world like Gianni's has.

 Way back then in 2012 people were calling him a Scottie pippen type. Brady went pick #199 in the NFL draft.

 Going fifteenth in the NBA draft and if he becomes the best player in the NBA that's a similar type steal in NBA terms.

 The kid is everything the Celtics need right now.

Top NBA forwards younger than 28 years are:

Kawhi Leonard -                15th pick
Giannis Antetokuonmpo - 15th pick
Jimmy Butler -                  30th pick
Paul George -                    10th pick

They were drafted at the average spot of 17,5 pick. All are studs, and you can make a case that the 17th non-lottery pick is fairly obtainable each year. That said, you can argument that all 30 GMs made at least 3 huge blunders within this decade, that they would happily correct.
Draft and talent evaluation is not an easy task.

Let's talk about Milmaukee GM and how he screw up with its roster 2 times (at PG and Center position (complete misfit) until he get lucky to pick Brogdon (who btw is not the typical rookie, he's 24 years old). Now they are back to playoff thanks to a bit of luck at the draft.
People forget...
What PG and Center screw ups are you referring to?  Brogdon is not the reason the Bucks have turned the corner and have a bright future. 

Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2017, 06:30:27 AM »

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KGLL, do you think that Minny fans or Philly fans complain this much about missing out on GA? They drafted MCW and Shabazz Muhammad. Utah went for Trey Burke. All in this Giannis range where he should have been considered.

The fact is Giannis was a long shot at becoming anything let alone a superstar. To not pick him was a sensible decision at the time. Just because the 5% chance that he was successful happened doesn't mean the decision not to draft him was wrong.
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Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2017, 07:00:55 AM »

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I thought Abdel Nader was Ainge's Brady moment.

Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2017, 10:40:48 AM »

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This will go down as the pivotal moment in Ainges career. The day he passed on a top-five player in the NBA and a player who could end up being the best player in the NBA in three years. The Greek Freak.

 This is why you draft boom or bust every pick you get, until your team is almost complete. Then you can draft role players like Olynyk.

 Even though you know Kelly will be a rotation player guaranteed, you still take the guy with a 50% bust chance, and a small chance that the guy becomes all world like Gianni's has.

 Way back then in 2012 people were calling him a Scottie pippen type. Brady went pick #199 in the NFL draft.

 Going fifteenth in the NBA draft and if he becomes the best player in the NBA that's a similar type steal in NBA terms.

 The kid is everything the Celtics need right now.

Top NBA forwards younger than 28 years are:

Kawhi Leonard -                15th pick
Giannis Antetokuonmpo - 15th pick
Jimmy Butler -                  30th pick
Paul George -                    10th pick

They were drafted at the average spot of 17,5 pick. All are studs, and you can make a case that the 17th non-lottery pick is fairly obtainable each year. That said, you can argument that all 30 GMs made at least 3 huge blunders within this decade, that they would happily correct.
Draft and talent evaluation is not an easy task.

Let's talk about Milmaukee GM and how he screw up with its roster 2 times (at PG and Center position (complete misfit) until he get lucky to pick Brogdon (who btw is not the typical rookie, he's 24 years old). Now they are back to playoff thanks to a bit of luck at the draft.
People forget...
What PG and Center screw ups are you referring to?  Brogdon is not the reason the Bucks have turned the corner and have a bright future.

The MCW trade and signing Monroe.
If those 2 decisions didn't make them miss the playoffs last season, what did?
About this season, if Brogdon emergence didn't change the Bucks at the end of the season, what did?
Remember they were 23w-30L mid february. Good for 11th in the east.

Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2017, 10:45:10 AM »

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This will go down as the pivotal moment in Ainges career. The day he passed on a top-five player in the NBA and a player who could end up being the best player in the NBA in three years. The Greek Freak.

 This is why you draft boom or bust every pick you get, until your team is almost complete. Then you can draft role players like Olynyk.

 Even though you know Kelly will be a rotation player guaranteed, you still take the guy with a 50% bust chance, and a small chance that the guy becomes all world like Gianni's has.

 Way back then in 2012 people were calling him a Scottie pippen type. Brady went pick #199 in the NFL draft.

 Going fifteenth in the NBA draft and if he becomes the best player in the NBA that's a similar type steal in NBA terms.

 The kid is everything the Celtics need right now.

Top NBA forwards younger than 28 years are:

Kawhi Leonard -                15th pick
Giannis Antetokuonmpo - 15th pick
Jimmy Butler -                  30th pick
Paul George -                    10th pick

They were drafted at the average spot of 17,5 pick. All are studs, and you can make a case that the 17th non-lottery pick is fairly obtainable each year. That said, you can argument that all 30 GMs made at least 3 huge blunders within this decade, that they would happily correct.
Draft and talent evaluation is not an easy task.

Let's talk about Milmaukee GM and how he screw up with its roster 2 times (at PG and Center position (complete misfit) until he get lucky to pick Brogdon (who btw is not the typical rookie, he's 24 years old). Now they are back to playoff thanks to a bit of luck at the draft.
People forget...
What PG and Center screw ups are you referring to?  Brogdon is not the reason the Bucks have turned the corner and have a bright future.

The MCW trade and signing Monroe.
If those 2 decisions didn't make them miss the playoffs last season, what did?
About this season, if Brogdon emergence didn't change the Bucks at the end of the season, what did?
Remember they were 23w-30L mid february. Good for 11th in the east.
swapping Parker for Middleton
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Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2017, 10:58:40 AM »

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from draft express, written before the draft, which is the temporal location ainge and other GMs occupied when making their picks.

GMs and scouts were not being universally wowed by him. opinions and reports were not consistent. add in the level of competition he was facing and the choice of 14 GMs to not pick him are reasonable in retrospect.

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2013 ADIDAS EUROCAMP: DAY ONE Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress Jun 08, 2013, 04:08 pm Taking a short trip to Jesolo with a hoard of NBA scouts (probably around 50), we were able to take in a U20 game between Croatia and Greece featuring highly touted Greek small forward Giannis Adetokunbo (name has sicne been changed to Giannis Antetokounmpo), playing in his first ever game outside of Greece after finally obtaining his passport (he in fact now has two after also receiving a Nigerian passport).

Starting at the power forward spot but regularly bringing the ball up the floor, he turned in a solid, albeit unspectacular performance, finishing with 11 points, 6 rebounds, and 4 assists by our count while putting many of his strengths and weaknesses on display for those in attendance.

Acting as a facilitator for his team in the half court and making a number of impressive plays in the open floor, Adetokunbo didn't look out of place competing with players one year his senior in most cases, but his lack of experience was evident. He had a number of rebounds ripped away from him, didn't always finish strong around the basket, and airballed a 3-pointer on one occasion--but later smoothly knocked down another. Directing his teammates as Greece ran its sets, Adetokunbo has a unique feel for the game considering his age and athleticism, and is undoubtedly a special talent, but is definitely still in the early stages of his development.

All in all Giannis probably didn't impact his draft stock significantly in either direction. People who liked him probably saw what they needed to see, while those that didn't surely weren't swayed by what he showed. A fairly substantial contingent of the 50 or so NBA scouts started to file out with 6-8 minutes left in the fourth quarter, which can't be considered a great sign. The stop and start nature of the game and overall poor officiating surely didn't help matters, but Adetokunbo will need to show more in the next two days if he wants to definitively boost his stock into the top-20. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Giannis-Antetokounmpo-7223/ ©DraftExpress
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Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2017, 11:00:49 AM »

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Angie missed on DeAndre Jordan and the Greek Freak.
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Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2017, 11:23:17 AM »

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This will go down as the pivotal moment in Ainges career. The day he passed on a top-five player in the NBA and a player who could end up being the best player in the NBA in three years. The Greek Freak.

This is why you draft boom or bust every pick you get, until your team is almost complete. Then you can draft role players like Olynyk.

 Even though you know Kelly will be a rotation player guaranteed, you still take the guy with a 50% bust chance, and a small chance that the guy becomes all world like Gianni's has.

 Way back then in 2012 people were calling him a Scottie pippen type. Brady went pick #199 in the NFL draft.

 Going fifteenth in the NBA draft and if he becomes the best player in the NBA that's a similar type steal in NBA terms.

 The kid is everything the Celtics need right now.
so you're saying you were fully on board with Ainge taking Fab Melo since he fits that boom or bust mentality you're pushing.  interesting.
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Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2017, 12:02:19 PM »

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Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2017, 12:03:04 PM »

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looks like thon maker might work out for them too.

really hoping not. we couldve gotten him too. ugh. :)

Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2017, 12:07:57 PM »

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Gabe Pruitt.

We could have had Marc Gasol on a rookie contract through the big 3 era, never rebuilt, and currently occupying Horford's salary slot.

But, you want to complain about KO, so why be objective or reasonable in what draft picks were great, good, ok, bad, and awful.

Picking GA in '13 would have been great, picking KO was ok.

Picking Marc Gasol in '07 would have been great, picking Gabe Pruitt was awful.

Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2017, 01:15:45 PM »

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This will go down as the pivotal moment in Ainges career. The day he passed on a top-five player in the NBA and a player who could end up being the best player in the NBA in three years. The Greek Freak.

 This is why you draft boom or bust every pick you get, until your team is almost complete. Then you can draft role players like Olynyk.

 Even though you know Kelly will be a rotation player guaranteed, you still take the guy with a 50% bust chance, and a small chance that the guy becomes all world like Gianni's has.

 Way back then in 2012 people were calling him a Scottie pippen type. Brady went pick #199 in the NFL draft.

 Going fifteenth in the NBA draft and if he becomes the best player in the NBA that's a similar type steal in NBA terms.

 The kid is everything the Celtics need right now.

Top NBA forwards younger than 28 years are:

Kawhi Leonard -                15th pick
Giannis Antetokuonmpo - 15th pick
Jimmy Butler -                  30th pick
Paul George -                    10th pick

They were drafted at the average spot of 17,5 pick. All are studs, and you can make a case that the 17th non-lottery pick is fairly obtainable each year. That said, you can argument that all 30 GMs made at least 3 huge blunders within this decade, that they would happily correct.
Draft and talent evaluation is not an easy task.

Let's talk about Milmaukee GM and how he screw up with its roster 2 times (at PG and Center position (complete misfit) until he get lucky to pick Brogdon (who btw is not the typical rookie, he's 24 years old). Now they are back to playoff thanks to a bit of luck at the draft.
People forget...
What PG and Center screw ups are you referring to?  Brogdon is not the reason the Bucks have turned the corner and have a bright future.

The MCW trade and signing Monroe.
If those 2 decisions didn't make them miss the playoffs last season, what did?
About this season, if Brogdon emergence didn't change the Bucks at the end of the season, what did?
Remember they were 23w-30L mid february. Good for 11th in the east.
swapping Parker for Middleton
Exactly.  Getting Middleton back was a big addition.  Losing Parker was an addition by subtraction.  Parker was scoring a lot but he's a horrible defender. 

Re: Danny missed his Brady Moment
« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2017, 01:35:52 PM »

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This will go down as the pivotal moment in Ainges career. The day he passed on a top-five player in the NBA and a player who could end up being the best player in the NBA in three years. The Greek Freak.

This is why you draft boom or bust every pick you get, until your team is almost complete. Then you can draft role players like Olynyk.

 Even though you know Kelly will be a rotation player guaranteed, you still take the guy with a 50% bust chance, and a small chance that the guy becomes all world like Gianni's has.

 Way back then in 2012 people were calling him a Scottie pippen type. Brady went pick #199 in the NFL draft.

 Going fifteenth in the NBA draft and if he becomes the best player in the NBA that's a similar type steal in NBA terms.

 The kid is everything the Celtics need right now.
so you're saying you were fully on board with Ainge taking Fab Melo since he fits that boom or bust mentality you're pushing.  interesting.



 Nice try. There was never anything boom about Fab Melo. As soon as we drafted him one of my best friends told me about him and I quote. "He Sucks"