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Aaron Hernandez Kills Himself in Prison
« on: April 19, 2017, 06:43:04 AM »

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Re: Aaron Hernandez Kills Himself in Prison
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Wow very shocking.

Clearly a troubled person w troubled past.

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Shocking indeed, and sad story beginning to end.

I suppose the movie can be made now.

Re: Aaron Hernandez Kills Himself in Prison
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I hope this helps his victims get some closure.


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Re: Aaron Hernandez Kills Himself in Prison
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Very sad.  He was clearly a tortured soul.
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This may be harsh, but I'm not going to pretend sympathy just because he's dead.  He was a terrible human being and this world is a better place now that he's gone.

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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2017, 08:37:13 AM »

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Not surprising considering he was in for life without parole.

Still sad on some level to hear that somebody killed himself.

Hope everybody touched by this saga can find some peace.
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I hope this helps his victims get some closure.
hopefully -- especially for those that did not feel justice was done in the trial that just concluded.

is there any greater example of a someone having it all just throwing it away in such a stupid and careless manner?

Re: Aaron Hernandez Kills Himself in Prison
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2017, 05:59:24 PM »

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I hope this helps his victims get some closure.

I just read an article I didn't understand - maybe you can explain it.  Said that since the AH conviction (Lloyd) was pending appeal that the "abatement" rule is in effect which automatically dismisses the original conviction. Thus, Hernandez is now no longer technically guilty of murder.

As pertains to victim closure and also possible motive for suicide, I think the article was suggesting that, in effect, this mitigates (or eliminates) the possibility of posthumously litigating for damages.   Victims perhaps are victimized again and perhaps provides a motive that the suicide would assure that AH girlfriend and child get whatever remains in his estate.   Sounds wrong to me, but maybe you can clarify.  Thanks.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/us/aaron-hernandez-conviction-abatement/index.html

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I hope this helps his victims get some closure.

I just read an article I didn't understand - maybe you can explain it.  Said that since the AH conviction (Lloyd) was pending appeal that the "abatement" rule is in effect which automatically dismisses the original conviction. Thus, Hernandez is now no longer technically guilty of murder.

As pertains to victim closure and also possible motive for suicide, I think the article was suggesting that, in effect, this mitigates (or eliminates) the possibility of posthumously litigating for damages.   Victims perhaps are victimized again and perhaps provides a motive that the suicide would assure that AH girlfriend and child get whatever remains in his estate.   Sounds wrong to me, but maybe you can clarify.  Thanks.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/us/aaron-hernandez-conviction-abatement/index.html


 I even heard that he may be eligible for some type of NFL pension now, for his family of course.

 Also my friend thinks he was murdered. I was wondering if someone assisted the suicide. It would be very difficult to do by himself.

Re: Aaron Hernandez Kills Himself in Prison
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2017, 07:58:38 PM »

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I hope this helps his victims get some closure.

I just read an article I didn't understand - maybe you can explain it.  Said that since the AH conviction (Lloyd) was pending appeal that the "abatement" rule is in effect which automatically dismisses the original conviction. Thus, Hernandez is now no longer technically guilty of murder.

As pertains to victim closure and also possible motive for suicide, I think the article was suggesting that, in effect, this mitigates (or eliminates) the possibility of posthumously litigating for damages.   Victims perhaps are victimized again and perhaps provides a motive that the suicide would assure that AH girlfriend and child get whatever remains in his estate.   Sounds wrong to me, but maybe you can clarify.  Thanks.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/us/aaron-hernandez-conviction-abatement/index.html

No, the estate can still be sued for damages. What it can't due is use the fact that he was convicted of murder beyond reasonable doubt to automatically establish liability in a civil case. The plaintiffs would have to prove the murder happened, this time by a civil preponderance standard. Think OJ: criminally not guilty, civilly liable.

I don't like the abatement rule in general, because most apppeals are nonsense. I would require at least a judicial finding that the appeal shows "prima facae" evidence of trial error before vacating a conviction.


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Re: Aaron Hernandez Kills Himself in Prison
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2017, 08:12:06 PM »

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I don't know how to feel about this one. I really don't.

Re: Aaron Hernandez Kills Himself in Prison
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2017, 08:19:47 PM »

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I hope this helps his victims get some closure.

I just read an article I didn't understand - maybe you can explain it.  Said that since the AH conviction (Lloyd) was pending appeal that the "abatement" rule is in effect which automatically dismisses the original conviction. Thus, Hernandez is now no longer technically guilty of murder.

As pertains to victim closure and also possible motive for suicide, I think the article was suggesting that, in effect, this mitigates (or eliminates) the possibility of posthumously litigating for damages.   Victims perhaps are victimized again and perhaps provides a motive that the suicide would assure that AH girlfriend and child get whatever remains in his estate.   Sounds wrong to me, but maybe you can clarify.  Thanks.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/us/aaron-hernandez-conviction-abatement/index.html

No, the estate can still be sued for damages. What it can't due is use the fact that he was convicted of murder beyond reasonable doubt to automatically establish liability in a civil case. The plaintiffs would have to prove the murder happened, this time by a civil preponderance standard. Think OJ: criminally not guilty, civilly liable.

I don't like the abatement rule in general, because most apppeals are nonsense. I would require at least a judicial finding that the appeal shows "prima facae" evidence of trial error before vacating a conviction.

Thanks Roy.  Does it make any sense (assuming that there is any sanity involved), that Hernandez may have committed suicide knowing about the abatement rule and presuming this would decrease the likelihood (or mitigate the amount) of damages awarded?

Re: Aaron Hernandez Kills Himself in Prison
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I hope this helps his victims get some closure.

I just read an article I didn't understand - maybe you can explain it.  Said that since the AH conviction (Lloyd) was pending appeal that the "abatement" rule is in effect which automatically dismisses the original conviction. Thus, Hernandez is now no longer technically guilty of murder.

As pertains to victim closure and also possible motive for suicide, I think the article was suggesting that, in effect, this mitigates (or eliminates) the possibility of posthumously litigating for damages.   Victims perhaps are victimized again and perhaps provides a motive that the suicide would assure that AH girlfriend and child get whatever remains in his estate.   Sounds wrong to me, but maybe you can clarify.  Thanks.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/us/aaron-hernandez-conviction-abatement/index.html

No, the estate can still be sued for damages. What it can't due is use the fact that he was convicted of murder beyond reasonable doubt to automatically establish liability in a civil case. The plaintiffs would have to prove the murder happened, this time by a civil preponderance standard. Think OJ: criminally not guilty, civilly liable.

I don't like the abatement rule in general, because most apppeals are nonsense. I would require at least a judicial finding that the appeal shows "prima facae" evidence of trial error before vacating a conviction.

Thanks Roy.  Does it make any sense (assuming that there is any sanity involved), that Hernandez may have committed suicide knowing about the abatement rule and presuming this would decrease the likelihood (or mitigate the amount) of damages awarded?

I wondered the same earlier, but also read reports that he was likely smoking synthetic marijuana in his cell and had written a bible verse (John 3:16) on his forehead.  If true, foul play /\or hallucination / psychosis could have played a role.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/04/19/aaron-hernandez-john-316-prison-cell-death-investigation/ 
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 08:50:17 PM »

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I hope this helps his victims get some closure.

I just read an article I didn't understand - maybe you can explain it.  Said that since the AH conviction (Lloyd) was pending appeal that the "abatement" rule is in effect which automatically dismisses the original conviction. Thus, Hernandez is now no longer technically guilty of murder.

As pertains to victim closure and also possible motive for suicide, I think the article was suggesting that, in effect, this mitigates (or eliminates) the possibility of posthumously litigating for damages.   Victims perhaps are victimized again and perhaps provides a motive that the suicide would assure that AH girlfriend and child get whatever remains in his estate.   Sounds wrong to me, but maybe you can clarify.  Thanks.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/us/aaron-hernandez-conviction-abatement/index.html

No, the estate can still be sued for damages. What it can't due is use the fact that he was convicted of murder beyond reasonable doubt to automatically establish liability in a civil case. The plaintiffs would have to prove the murder happened, this time by a civil preponderance standard. Think OJ: criminally not guilty, civilly liable.

I don't like the abatement rule in general, because most apppeals are nonsense. I would require at least a judicial finding that the appeal shows "prima facae" evidence of trial error before vacating a conviction.

Thanks Roy.  Does it make any sense (assuming that there is any sanity involved), that Hernandez may have committed suicide knowing about the abatement rule and presuming this would decrease the likelihood (or mitigate the amount) of damages awarded?

I wondered the same earlier, but also read reports that he was likely smoking synthetic marijuana in his cell and had written a bible verse (John 3:16) on his forehead.  If true, foul play /\or hallucination / psychosis could have played a role.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/04/19/aaron-hernandez-john-316-prison-cell-death-investigation/ 

Mental illness and character dirorder definitely part of the picture.  Possible some grandiose idea of martyring for his family could be part of the picture.