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Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2017, 11:13:53 PM »

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Agreed about  Cousins.  That was a time to take a chance and Danny chose not to, perhaps at Brad's behest.

Well, size and talent win in the playoffs.  Point blank.

This ^

We have no playoff series caliber center , very small frontcourt , and no help in terms of talent for our little fellow .

We can not win playoff grind it out basketball against big long playoff teams.


Playoff basketball is played too slow , at a pace that the Celtics have to rely on outside long ball to win.   If Celtics can't run .....then the game is lost ......the Energy game they rely on ....which works in regular season .   But not in playoff half court games .  Our shooting is just not good enough to win from three ball in a series. Too irratic.
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Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2017, 11:21:53 PM »

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Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2017, 11:24:22 PM »

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Fire sale of:

Isaiah
Bradley
Crowder
Horford

Trade them individually, or pair them off to two different teams, or trade them all to one team, whatever goodies (1sts and prospects) you can get for that, you add to:

Smart
Brown
Zizic

plus bring on:

Fultz/Jackson/Ball/Tatum
Brooklyn 2018 1st
Our own 2018 1st (lottery post-firesale)

not to mention:

Olynyk
Yabusele
Jackson

Let's say we get lucky and draft Fultz

We start:

G Fultz
G Smart
F Brown
F Yabusele
C Zizic

What's the worst that could happen? Nothing (short of losing two more of the next five) sucks worse than going down 0-2 to an 8th seed. At least we've got the Nets picks, whew. Time to bail on playoff aspirations for one more year. Ditch the veterans. Reload with elite lottery talent and assorted other prospects, hit jackpot on half of them, and try to contend again in two more years while introducing another two top tier draftees. Re-roll, re-roll, re-roll...

You cant trade Horford, it will impact your ability to trade for FAs in the future.

Lol, like hell it will. Money talks. No one's going to shun the Celtics because they decide Horford isn't worth his contract and dump him. Did the Spurs have trouble luring free agents after dumping Richard Jefferson?

Masai Ujiri traded Nene months after extending him and he still is highly regarded as an executive.

Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2017, 11:29:40 PM »

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Go to work tomorrow and forget today ever happened.  It works... expect the first few years to be rough, though.   ;D

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Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2017, 11:29:46 PM »

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Where do we go from here?

Lose the next to games and look forward to the lottery.

Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2017, 11:33:01 PM »

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Go to work tomorrow and forget today ever happened.  It works... expect the first few years to be rough, though.   ;D

1000% agree.

We are just fans .  Pressure is on the players and Celtic organization.  ;D

Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2017, 11:36:18 PM »

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Go to work tomorrow and forget today ever happened.  It works... expect the first few years to be rough, though.   ;D

1000% agree.

We are just fans .  Pressure is on the players and Celtic organization.  ;D

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Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2017, 11:38:24 PM »

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Agreed about  Cousins.  That was a time to take a chance and Danny chose not to, perhaps at Brad's behest.

Well, size and talent win in the playoffs.  Point blank.

This ^

We have no playoff series caliber center , very small frontcourt , and no help in terms of talent for our little fellow .

We can not win playoff grind it out basketball against big long playoff teams.


Playoff basketball is played too slow , at a pace that the Celtics have to rely on outside long ball to win.   If Celtics can't run .....then the game is lost ......the Energy game they rely on ....which works in regular season .   But not in playoff half court games .  Our shooting is just not good enough to win from three ball in a series. Too irratic.

You're right this team wasn't built for the playoffs. It's an interum team. This team is still being built and upgrading role players won't work until your stars are in place. The Bulls have stars, old as they may be. Older teams win in the playoffs and we are a young team... Tough losses...

Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2017, 11:40:12 PM »

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Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2017, 11:44:40 PM »

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Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2017, 11:50:01 PM »

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Had we traded one of the Brooklyn picks and a couple of non-key players, we could have potentially brought Ibaka and Carmelo to this team, and this playoff run would have been very, very different.

i've been saying it all season long. 

1. We need another volume scorer who can take the pressure off Thomas - he's 28 years old and is a 5'10" PG who plays a very aggressive style of game - if we don't get some pressure off him, he's going to burn out and we will run the risk of him getting a serious injury.

2. We also need a starting PF who is healthy enough to play more than 20 MPG, and preferably one who can rebound. 

Until we can get those two things, we're not getting past the first round.

Signing Horford was a horrible, horrible mistake.  It was obvious the previous season that it would be a bad move, it was obvious at the time of the signing (the instant Durant signed with Golden State) and it's even more obvious now.  It was a very poor decision driven by Ainge's pure blind hope that it would be enough to convince Durant to come here. 

Horford's inconsistency and his tendency to get outplayed by sub-star players is concerning for a guy making $30M a year.  He seems to only ever play consistently well if he's up against guys who are both smaller AND less talented then he is...and that is not the sign of a guy worthy of a max contract.  A max contract guy should be somebody who is going to go out and make an impact every night, one way or other, and a guy who will dominate his match-up more often then not. 

Now we're screwed.  We only have enough talent for a first round exit, and Horford's contact is going to restrict us from signing a true max contract guy potentially for the next 2-3 years.  We have nowhere to go unless we trade Horford, which I know Ainge will never do because doing so would be admitting hi made a mistake...and Ainge would never do that.

Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2017, 11:52:04 PM »

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Fire sale of:

Isaiah
Bradley
Crowder
Horford

Trade them individually, or pair them off to two different teams, or trade them all to one team, whatever goodies (1sts and prospects) you can get for that, you add to:

Smart
Brown
Zizic

plus bring on:

Fultz/Jackson/Ball/Tatum
Brooklyn 2018 1st
Our own 2018 1st (lottery post-firesale)

not to mention:

Olynyk
Yabusele
Jackson

Let's say we get lucky and draft Fultz

We start:

G Fultz
G Smart
F Brown
F Yabusele
C Zizic

What's the worst that could happen? Nothing (short of losing two more of the next five) sucks worse than going down 0-2 to an 8th seed. At least we've got the Nets picks, whew. Time to bail on playoff aspirations for one more year. Ditch the veterans. Reload with elite lottery talent and assorted other prospects, hit jackpot on half of them, and try to contend again in two more years while introducing another two top tier draftees. Re-roll, re-roll, re-roll...

You cant trade Horford, it will impact your ability to trade for FAs in the future.

Lol, like hell it will. Money talks. No one's going to shun the Celtics because they decide Horford isn't worth his contract and dump him. Did the Spurs have trouble luring free agents after dumping Richard Jefferson?

Masai Ujiri traded Nene months after extending him and he still is highly regarded as an executive.


Correctoin...


You can't trade Horford because no team on earth is going to trade for a $30M guy who's 30 years old and is giving you 14 / 6 / 5 + 45% from the field.

There aren't very many GM's out there who are that stupid.  Boston is lucky to have a GM who makes the most impressive moves in the world juxtaposed against some of the worst moves in the world, just depending on his mood.

Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2017, 06:08:20 AM »

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The weight of expectation has been transferred to the Bulls now, let's see how they handle it ,hopefully the C's can play with more freedom now , get a game in Chi town, have the Bulls play one of those give a way games in game 5 and lay a goose egg trying to close it out at home in game 6.Managing to get to a game 7 would be a solid effort at this point, Got to stick together , make them earn it at least.

Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2017, 06:17:34 AM »

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This is not a title-winning roster, not even close, but I'm stunned that so many here did not realize that.  Get a clue, folks, this is all part of a process which needs another two seasons to run.  Oh, and one last thing - snap analyses after one or two games are only reflections of a poster's own emotional state and issues, not sober assessments based on a sufficient set of data. 

Re: So where do we go from here?
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2017, 07:05:45 AM »

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Had we traded one of the Brooklyn picks and a couple of non-key players, we could have potentially brought Ibaka and Carmelo to this team, and this playoff run would have been very, very different.

i've been saying it all season long. 

1. We need another volume scorer who can take the pressure off Thomas - he's 28 years old and is a 5'10" PG who plays a very aggressive style of game - if we don't get some pressure off him, he's going to burn out and we will run the risk of him getting a serious injury.

2. We also need a starting PF who is healthy enough to play more than 20 MPG, and preferably one who can rebound. 

Until we can get those two things, we're not getting past the first round.

Signing Horford was a horrible, horrible mistake.  It was obvious the previous season that it would be a bad move, it was obvious at the time of the signing (the instant Durant signed with Golden State) and it's even more obvious now.  It was a very poor decision driven by Ainge's pure blind hope that it would be enough to convince Durant to come here. 

Horford's inconsistency and his tendency to get outplayed by sub-star players is concerning for a guy making $30M a year.  He seems to only ever play consistently well if he's up against guys who are both smaller AND less talented then he is...and that is not the sign of a guy worthy of a max contract.  A max contract guy should be somebody who is going to go out and make an impact every night, one way or other, and a guy who will dominate his match-up more often then not. 

Now we're screwed.  We only have enough talent for a first round exit, and Horford's contact is going to restrict us from signing a true max contract guy potentially for the next 2-3 years.  We have nowhere to go unless we trade Horford, which I know Ainge will never do because doing so would be admitting hi made a mistake...and Ainge would never do that.

Horford is a very good player, but yes, for a max contract big you want 20/10. He's at about 75% of that.