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If you had to pick one or the other, which one would you take?

Danny Ainge
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Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2017, 09:21:03 AM »

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Stevens reportedly said that the Bulls are doing the same thing the Hawks did to them in last year's playoffs....duhh. I mean wouldn't he expect that to happen.

The bigger question is why has it taken him 2 games to adjust and when did he discover this? We basically have the same team and IT is still the main scorer, I would look at what the Hawks did too. The Wiz will do the same thing if we advance. Until a change is made or someone steps up consistently this is what is going to happen.

Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2017, 09:23:13 AM »

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And while ESPN.com has Boston ranked 27th for rebound differential per game, the Pacers are 25th and the Bucks are 23rd.  Yet not only have both teams looked much better against better competition, the Bucks might actually make it to the second round.

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Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2017, 10:23:29 AM »

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And while ESPN.com has Boston ranked 27th for rebound differential per game, the Pacers are 25th and the Bucks are 23rd.  Yet not only have both teams looked much better against better competition, the Bucks might actually make it to the second round.

Mike
The Raptors are outrebounding the Bucks.  The Pacers are playing the Cavs who are also a poor rebounding team (and the Pacers differential is 1.5 rpg).  I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.  Boston is getting crushed on the glass, it isn't close.  You can't be -11.5 rgp and consistently win games unless you are shooting 60% or holding your opponent to 30%.
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Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #63 on: April 20, 2017, 11:14:50 AM »

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We lack length at every position.

Sure, IT gets heralded for being 5'9'' but then we surround him with short guys with short wingspans and standing reaches.

We have no size or length.....especially in the front-court

That is all DA. Stevens has done a great job(wish he hadn;t so we would have missed the playoffs in 15') with what he has. It is DA that has not gotten the memo to invest in some players with real length for the front-court.

Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #64 on: April 20, 2017, 06:33:37 PM »

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And while ESPN.com has Boston ranked 27th for rebound differential per game, the Pacers are 25th and the Bucks are 23rd.  Yet not only have both teams looked much better against better competition, the Bucks might actually make it to the second round.

Mike
The Raptors are outrebounding the Bucks.  The Pacers are playing the Cavs who are also a poor rebounding team (and the Pacers differential is 1.5 rpg).  I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.  Boston is getting crushed on the glass, it isn't close.  You can't be -11.5 rgp and consistently win games unless you are shooting 60% or holding your opponent to 30%.

But the problem with this team is NOT that they've just played one bad and one terrible game in the wake of the IT tragedy.  The problem with this team is the flaws it has displayed all season long.  Yes, rebounding is one of them but so is defense.  Boston did not have a -11.5 rebound differential all year long.  They would have barely won 20 games if that were the case.

The Lakers and the Knicks both had better rebound differentials in the regular season than Boston.  What did that get them?  And if a team must completely implodes, it makes no sense to put the blame on just one thing.

I focus on defense because the effort and accountability at the core of that problem bleeds over into many other areas.

Mike

Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #65 on: April 20, 2017, 07:23:58 PM »

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And while ESPN.com has Boston ranked 27th for rebound differential per game, the Pacers are 25th and the Bucks are 23rd.  Yet not only have both teams looked much better against better competition, the Bucks might actually make it to the second round.

Mike
The Raptors are outrebounding the Bucks.  The Pacers are playing the Cavs who are also a poor rebounding team (and the Pacers differential is 1.5 rpg).  I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.  Boston is getting crushed on the glass, it isn't close.  You can't be -11.5 rgp and consistently win games unless you are shooting 60% or holding your opponent to 30%.

But the problem with this team is NOT that they've just played one bad and one terrible game in the wake of the IT tragedy.  The problem with this team is the flaws it has displayed all season long.  Yes, rebounding is one of them but so is defense.  Boston did not have a -11.5 rebound differential all year long.  They would have barely won 20 games if that were the case.

The Lakers and the Knicks both had better rebound differentials in the regular season than Boston.  What did that get them?  And if a team must completely implodes, it makes no sense to put the blame on just one thing.

I focus on defense because the effort and accountability at the core of that problem bleeds over into many other areas.

Mike
Boston played Chicago three times in the regular season, Chicago was 2-1.  In the two Chicago wins, Chicago outrebounded Boston by 19 and 20.  In the Boston win, Boston outrebounded Chicago by 11. 

The Bulls had the 3rd best rebounding differential during the season.  That is why Chicago was a bad matchup for Boston especially when you couple their great perimeter defense (Rondo, Butler).  They can take full advantage of Boston's greatest weakness (Detroit was also an excellent rebounding team and Miami was in the top half of the league). 

Being a great rebounding team on its own doesn't mean all that much, but having watched Boston all year, it was clear that rebounding was the team's biggest weakness and if it couldn't make up for it by being super efficient offensively it would spell doom in the playoffs (that is why a great rebounding team like Phoenix was one of the worst teams in the league, because it was horrid offensively).  The Bulls have played good defense and are destroying the Celtics on the glass.  If that doesn't change, Boston will get swept.
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Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2017, 09:03:49 AM »

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And while ESPN.com has Boston ranked 27th for rebound differential per game, the Pacers are 25th and the Bucks are 23rd.  Yet not only have both teams looked much better against better competition, the Bucks might actually make it to the second round.

Mike
The Raptors are outrebounding the Bucks.  The Pacers are playing the Cavs who are also a poor rebounding team (and the Pacers differential is 1.5 rpg).  I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.  Boston is getting crushed on the glass, it isn't close.  You can't be -11.5 rgp and consistently win games unless you are shooting 60% or holding your opponent to 30%.

But the problem with this team is NOT that they've just played one bad and one terrible game in the wake of the IT tragedy.  The problem with this team is the flaws it has displayed all season long.  Yes, rebounding is one of them but so is defense.  Boston did not have a -11.5 rebound differential all year long.  They would have barely won 20 games if that were the case.

The Lakers and the Knicks both had better rebound differentials in the regular season than Boston.  What did that get them?  And if a team must completely implodes, it makes no sense to put the blame on just one thing.

I focus on defense because the effort and accountability at the core of that problem bleeds over into many other areas.

Mike
Boston played Chicago three times in the regular season, Chicago was 2-1.  In the two Chicago wins, Chicago outrebounded Boston by 19 and 20.  In the Boston win, Boston outrebounded Chicago by 11. 

The Bulls had the 3rd best rebounding differential during the season.  That is why Chicago was a bad matchup for Boston especially when you couple their great perimeter defense (Rondo, Butler).  They can take full advantage of Boston's greatest weakness (Detroit was also an excellent rebounding team and Miami was in the top half of the league). 

Being a great rebounding team on its own doesn't mean all that much, but having watched Boston all year, it was clear that rebounding was the team's biggest weakness and if it couldn't make up for it by being super efficient offensively it would spell doom in the playoffs (that is why a great rebounding team like Phoenix was one of the worst teams in the league, because it was horrid offensively).  The Bulls have played good defense and are destroying the Celtics on the glass.  If that doesn't change, Boston will get swept.
The Celtics played the Bulls 4 times this year and were 2-2. On November 2nd they won despite being outrebounded 39-49.

Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2017, 12:49:00 PM »

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And while ESPN.com has Boston ranked 27th for rebound differential per game, the Pacers are 25th and the Bucks are 23rd.  Yet not only have both teams looked much better against better competition, the Bucks might actually make it to the second round.

Mike
The Raptors are outrebounding the Bucks.  The Pacers are playing the Cavs who are also a poor rebounding team (and the Pacers differential is 1.5 rpg).  I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.  Boston is getting crushed on the glass, it isn't close.  You can't be -11.5 rgp and consistently win games unless you are shooting 60% or holding your opponent to 30%.

But the problem with this team is NOT that they've just played one bad and one terrible game in the wake of the IT tragedy.  The problem with this team is the flaws it has displayed all season long.  Yes, rebounding is one of them but so is defense.  Boston did not have a -11.5 rebound differential all year long.  They would have barely won 20 games if that were the case.

The Lakers and the Knicks both had better rebound differentials in the regular season than Boston.  What did that get them?  And if a team must completely implodes, it makes no sense to put the blame on just one thing.

I focus on defense because the effort and accountability at the core of that problem bleeds over into many other areas.

Mike
Boston played Chicago three times in the regular season, Chicago was 2-1.  In the two Chicago wins, Chicago outrebounded Boston by 19 and 20.  In the Boston win, Boston outrebounded Chicago by 11. 

The Bulls had the 3rd best rebounding differential during the season.  That is why Chicago was a bad matchup for Boston especially when you couple their great perimeter defense (Rondo, Butler).  They can take full advantage of Boston's greatest weakness (Detroit was also an excellent rebounding team and Miami was in the top half of the league). 

Being a great rebounding team on its own doesn't mean all that much, but having watched Boston all year, it was clear that rebounding was the team's biggest weakness and if it couldn't make up for it by being super efficient offensively it would spell doom in the playoffs (that is why a great rebounding team like Phoenix was one of the worst teams in the league, because it was horrid offensively).  The Bulls have played good defense and are destroying the Celtics on the glass.  If that doesn't change, Boston will get swept.
The Celtics played the Bulls 4 times this year and were 2-2. On November 2nd they won despite being outrebounded 39-49.
thanks. Missed that game but 44% from three can make up for a rebounding discrepancy
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Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2017, 01:08:10 PM »

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We lack length at every position.

Sure, IT gets heralded for being 5'9'' but then we surround him with short guys with short wingspans and standing reaches.

We have no size or length.....especially in the front-court

That is all DA. Stevens has done a great job(wish he hadn;t so we would have missed the playoffs in 15') with what he has. It is DA that has not gotten the memo to invest in some players with real length for the front-court.
The front court has enough length, at least as far as bothering shots defensively is concerned. What I think we're lacking is low post scoring and a physical presence around the basket.
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Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #69 on: April 21, 2017, 01:11:32 PM »

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The front court has enough length, at least as far as bothering shots defensively is concerned. What I think we're lacking is low post scoring and a physical presence around the basket.

We are the shortest team in the league and it shows night in and night out

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At the other end of the yardstick, the shortest team in the league is the Celtics, who can attribute their status to the diminutive Isaiah Thomas and Brad Stevensís fondness for four-out lineups. The Rockets, Pacers, Suns and Cavaliers round out the bottom five.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-nba-team-is-the-tallest

I agree we lack the physical presence more than anything.

Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #70 on: April 21, 2017, 01:19:44 PM »

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And while ESPN.com has Boston ranked 27th for rebound differential per game, the Pacers are 25th and the Bucks are 23rd.  Yet not only have both teams looked much better against better competition, the Bucks might actually make it to the second round.

Mike
The Raptors are outrebounding the Bucks.  The Pacers are playing the Cavs who are also a poor rebounding team (and the Pacers differential is 1.5 rpg).  I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.  Boston is getting crushed on the glass, it isn't close.  You can't be -11.5 rgp and consistently win games unless you are shooting 60% or holding your opponent to 30%.

But the problem with this team is NOT that they've just played one bad and one terrible game in the wake of the IT tragedy.  The problem with this team is the flaws it has displayed all season long.  Yes, rebounding is one of them but so is defense.  Boston did not have a -11.5 rebound differential all year long.  They would have barely won 20 games if that were the case.

The Lakers and the Knicks both had better rebound differentials in the regular season than Boston.  What did that get them?  And if a team must completely implodes, it makes no sense to put the blame on just one thing.

I focus on defense because the effort and accountability at the core of that problem bleeds over into many other areas.

Mike
Boston played Chicago three times in the regular season, Chicago was 2-1.  In the two Chicago wins, Chicago outrebounded Boston by 19 and 20.  In the Boston win, Boston outrebounded Chicago by 11. 

The Bulls had the 3rd best rebounding differential during the season.  That is why Chicago was a bad matchup for Boston especially when you couple their great perimeter defense (Rondo, Butler).  They can take full advantage of Boston's greatest weakness (Detroit was also an excellent rebounding team and Miami was in the top half of the league). 

Being a great rebounding team on its own doesn't mean all that much, but having watched Boston all year, it was clear that rebounding was the team's biggest weakness and if it couldn't make up for it by being super efficient offensively it would spell doom in the playoffs (that is why a great rebounding team like Phoenix was one of the worst teams in the league, because it was horrid offensively).  The Bulls have played good defense and are destroying the Celtics on the glass.  If that doesn't change, Boston will get swept.

All of that would be super-duper important if the only thing we had to do to win an NBA championship was beat Chicago.  That is not the case and focusing on this one team at this one moment and ignoring everything else isn't going to accomplish anything.

The Celtics are a bad rebounding team, but by the same measure so is Milwaukee.  Heck, New Orleans with Anthony Davis and part of the season with Cousins had the second worst rebound differential in the league.  In fact, four of the top ten best teams for rebound differential didn't even make the playoffs this season.

If Boston gets swept, it's because they're playing like garbage.  Not because they're playing well except for rebounding.

Mike

Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #71 on: April 21, 2017, 01:27:56 PM »

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The front court has enough length, at least as far as bothering shots defensively is concerned. What I think we're lacking is low post scoring and a physical presence around the basket.

We are the shortest team in the league and it shows night in and night out

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At the other end of the yardstick, the shortest team in the league is the Celtics, who can attribute their status to the diminutive Isaiah Thomas and Brad Stevensís fondness for four-out lineups. The Rockets, Pacers, Suns and Cavaliers round out the bottom five.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/which-nba-team-is-the-tallest

I agree we lack the physical presence more than anything.
Height is not necessarily the same thing as length though.
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Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2017, 09:28:25 PM »

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Game 3.

Boston -15 on the boards, +17 on the scoreboard.

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Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2017, 09:54:26 PM »

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Game 3.

Boston -15 on the boards, +17 on the scoreboard.

Mike
and 46% from three.  You shoot that well from deep you can overcome pretty much anything.
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Re: Who's better at their job - Ainge or Stevens?
« Reply #74 on: April 21, 2017, 10:07:47 PM »

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And while ESPN.com has Boston ranked 27th for rebound differential per game, the Pacers are 25th and the Bucks are 23rd.  Yet not only have both teams looked much better against better competition, the Bucks might actually make it to the second round.

Mike
The Raptors are outrebounding the Bucks.  The Pacers are playing the Cavs who are also a poor rebounding team (and the Pacers differential is 1.5 rpg).  I'm not sure what this has to do with anything.  Boston is getting crushed on the glass, it isn't close.  You can't be -11.5 rgp and consistently win games unless you are shooting 60% or holding your opponent to 30%.

But the problem with this team is NOT that they've just played one bad and one terrible game in the wake of the IT tragedy.  The problem with this team is the flaws it has displayed all season long.  Yes, rebounding is one of them but so is defense.  Boston did not have a -11.5 rebound differential all year long.  They would have barely won 20 games if that were the case.

The Lakers and the Knicks both had better rebound differentials in the regular season than Boston.  What did that get them?  And if a team must completely implodes, it makes no sense to put the blame on just one thing.

I focus on defense because the effort and accountability at the core of that problem bleeds over into many other areas.

Mike
Rebounding wins championships in tightly contested games.  You aren't always going to shoot well but you can always rebound well.  That is the difference.  Think about it, it's not one team we need to beat it every team in the NBA.