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Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #90 on: April 22, 2017, 10:51:13 PM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.
yeah, I mean thats a fine opinion. I disagree with it completely, but we obviously arent going anywhere in this debate.
This is the difference....in the NBA you can start a young player that is ok on offense, rebounds, and gets lost on defense.
would now be a bad time to point out that Andre Roberson(career 26% 3 point shooter), a defensive specialist is starting and averaging 37mpg for the Thunder in the playoffs, while 6moty candidate Enes Kanter is coming off the bench for 12 minutes a game.

because while, Kanter can rebound and score decently well, he cant defend so when he is on the floor he gets attacked relentlessly. Roberson on the other hand can defend and for that reason hes been in their starting lineup for 2 years now.

if you want more examples of defensive specialists, how long has Tony Allen started for Memphis? how long has Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford come off the bench?

Greg Monroe and Jonas Valunciunas came off the bench today. Thon Maker started because he can defend. Malcom Brogdon? in there cus he defends. Norm Powell? defense. Tony Snell? in there for defense.

thats 4 young players getting the start because they defend while the 2 big men who can rebound well and score OK started on the bench, because defense gets you starts in the NBA when you actually care about winning.

Young players get minutes because of their defense. Either that or their team doesnt care about winning.
Hey if you think championship teams are built on the Tony Snells of the world more power to you. Give me Julius Randle.
not what I argued at all.

You stated you can start a young guy who sucks at D but can rebound and score decently.

I pointed out that historically winning teams have started their defensive specialists while theyve brought their scorers who cant defend off the bench.

If we can move away from this asinine "who would start argument" Id be happy to do so, but first youve just gotta admit that you were completely wrong that you can start a young dude that gets lost on defense. You can only do that if he is an absolutely elite offensive player. Randle isnt.

as for championships.

they are built on stars. Cle was based on Irving and James, GSW on Steph Klay and Dray, before them SAS was built on Kawhi and Timmy, keep going back and Miami was built on Lebron Wade and Bosh.

No championship is gonna be built on Julius Randle or Marcus Smart. They just arent superstars. Not even close.

who is more valuable to a championship team? a solid scorer who rebounds well and is lost on defense or an elite versatile defender?

I think the elite versatile defender is more valuable. It has been historicaly.

now if Randle improves his offense to the point where he becomes an elite scorer, then the dynamic changes. On the other hand, if Marcus can get to the point where he hits open catch and shoot threes, then the argument changes again.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2017, 10:57:29 PM by Dannys Chipotle Guy »

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #91 on: April 22, 2017, 11:32:01 PM »

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Your hypothetical elite defenders (looked totally elite the other night with Rondo running by at will and Jimmy Butler spanking us by the way) don't usually have to consider shooting underhand.

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #92 on: April 23, 2017, 01:32:11 AM »

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Your hypothetical elite defenders (looked totally elite the other night with Rondo running by at will and Jimmy Butler spanking us by the way) don't usually have to consider shooting underhand.
so you agree with my argument on elite defensive players, you just dont actually think marcus fits that criteria?

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #93 on: April 23, 2017, 01:50:03 AM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.
yeah, I mean thats a fine opinion. I disagree with it completely, but we obviously arent going anywhere in this debate.
This is the difference....in the NBA you can start a young player that is ok on offense, rebounds, and gets lost on defense.

You can play young players who get lost on defense if...you know...you're not trying to WIN basketball games.  Randle as he is now would not start for ANY legitimate playoff contender.  Bad defenders only start on good teams if they are spectacular at other aspects of the game.  Randle, at this point, isn't exceptional at anything.

Mike
Let me get this straight.....you believe Smart would potentially start for a "legitimate playoff contender?"  Well, not the Bulls and they're the 8 seed. We know that. We also know Julius Randle would start for ours so there's that too.

This point has been made to you already but you clearly are not getting it, so let me make it perfectly clear.

JULIUS RANDLE WOULD NOT START FOR THIS CELTICS TEAM.  AMIR WOULD START OVER HIM.  SO WOULD KO AND JJ.  WE WOULD EVEN GO SUPER SMALL AT START MARCUS AT THE 3 AND CROWDER AT THE 4 BEFORE WE WOULD START RANDLE.

I haven't paid enough attention to you to know if you are just trolling or are some longtime Smart-hater but either way, please up your game.  Your shtick isn't clever enough to be either amusing or infuriating.

Mike

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2017, 04:44:03 AM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.
yeah, I mean thats a fine opinion. I disagree with it completely, but we obviously arent going anywhere in this debate.
This is the difference....in the NBA you can start a young player that is ok on offense, rebounds, and gets lost on defense.
would now be a bad time to point out that Andre Roberson(career 26% 3 point shooter), a defensive specialist is starting and averaging 37mpg for the Thunder in the playoffs, while 6moty candidate Enes Kanter is coming off the bench for 12 minutes a game.

because while, Kanter can rebound and score decently well, he cant defend so when he is on the floor he gets attacked relentlessly. Roberson on the other hand can defend and for that reason hes been in their starting lineup for 2 years now.

if you want more examples of defensive specialists, how long has Tony Allen started for Memphis? how long has Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford come off the bench?

Greg Monroe and Jonas Valunciunas came off the bench today. Thon Maker started because he can defend. Malcom Brogdon? in there cus he defends. Norm Powell? defense. Tony Snell? in there for defense.

thats 4 young players getting the start because they defend while the 2 big men who can rebound well and score OK started on the bench, because defense gets you starts in the NBA when you actually care about winning.

Young players get minutes because of their defense. Either that or their team doesnt care about winning.
Hey if you think championship teams are built on the Tony Snells of the world more power to you. Give me Julius Randle.
not what I argued at all.

You stated you can start a young guy who sucks at D but can rebound and score decently.

I pointed out that historically winning teams have started their defensive specialists while theyve brought their scorers who cant defend off the bench.

If we can move away from this asinine "who would start argument" Id be happy to do so, but first youve just gotta admit that you were completely wrong that you can start a young dude that gets lost on defense. You can only do that if he is an absolutely elite offensive player. Randle isnt.

as for championships.

they are built on stars. Cle was based on Irving and James, GSW on Steph Klay and Dray, before them SAS was built on Kawhi and Timmy, keep going back and Miami was built on Lebron Wade and Bosh.

No championship is gonna be built on Julius Randle or Marcus Smart. They just arent superstars. Not even close.

who is more valuable to a championship team? a solid scorer who rebounds well and is lost on defense or an elite versatile defender?

I think the elite versatile defender is more valuable. It has been historicaly.

now if Randle improves his offense to the point where he becomes an elite scorer, then the dynamic changes. On the other hand, if Marcus can get to the point where he hits open catch and shoot threes, then the argument changes again.

Very well said. TP.
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Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2017, 07:38:27 AM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.
yeah, I mean thats a fine opinion. I disagree with it completely, but we obviously arent going anywhere in this debate.
This is the difference....in the NBA you can start a young player that is ok on offense, rebounds, and gets lost on defense.
would now be a bad time to point out that Andre Roberson(career 26% 3 point shooter), a defensive specialist is starting and averaging 37mpg for the Thunder in the playoffs, while 6moty candidate Enes Kanter is coming off the bench for 12 minutes a game.

because while, Kanter can rebound and score decently well, he cant defend so when he is on the floor he gets attacked relentlessly. Roberson on the other hand can defend and for that reason hes been in their starting lineup for 2 years now.

if you want more examples of defensive specialists, how long has Tony Allen started for Memphis? how long has Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford come off the bench?

Greg Monroe and Jonas Valunciunas came off the bench today. Thon Maker started because he can defend. Malcom Brogdon? in there cus he defends. Norm Powell? defense. Tony Snell? in there for defense.

thats 4 young players getting the start because they defend while the 2 big men who can rebound well and score OK started on the bench, because defense gets you starts in the NBA when you actually care about winning.

Young players get minutes because of their defense. Either that or their team doesnt care about winning.
Hey if you think championship teams are built on the Tony Snells of the world more power to you. Give me Julius Randle.
not what I argued at all.

You stated you can start a young guy who sucks at D but can rebound and score decently.

I pointed out that historically winning teams have started their defensive specialists while theyve brought their scorers who cant defend off the bench.

If we can move away from this asinine "who would start argument" Id be happy to do so, but first youve just gotta admit that you were completely wrong that you can start a young dude that gets lost on defense. You can only do that if he is an absolutely elite offensive player. Randle isnt.

as for championships.

they are built on stars. Cle was based on Irving and James, GSW on Steph Klay and Dray, before them SAS was built on Kawhi and Timmy, keep going back and Miami was built on Lebron Wade and Bosh.

No championship is gonna be built on Julius Randle or Marcus Smart. They just arent superstars. Not even close.

who is more valuable to a championship team? a solid scorer who rebounds well and is lost on defense or an elite versatile defender?

I think the elite versatile defender is more valuable. It has been historicaly.

now if Randle improves his offense to the point where he becomes an elite scorer, then the dynamic changes. On the other hand, if Marcus can get to the point where he hits open catch and shoot threes, then the argument changes again.
Well said and if we were to say why these teams do that, it is because you have control on offense but have no control on defense. On offense you can hide a non scorer, put Marcus in the corner where he shoots it decent, put him in the post where you have to respect him or have him cutting if they don't pay attention he gets an easy bucket.  you don't need to play your offense through your worst offensive player but guess what when it comes  to defense the other team will absolutely pick on a bad defensive player and when that bad defensive player is a big man you will be seeing a lot of uncontested layups and seems like NBA coaches aren't a huge fan of that especially in the playoffs.

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #96 on: April 23, 2017, 09:32:26 AM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact

 ;D  I'm laughing. That's the only fact.

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #97 on: April 23, 2017, 10:24:04 AM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.
yeah, I mean thats a fine opinion. I disagree with it completely, but we obviously arent going anywhere in this debate.
This is the difference....in the NBA you can start a young player that is ok on offense, rebounds, and gets lost on defense.
would now be a bad time to point out that Andre Roberson(career 26% 3 point shooter), a defensive specialist is starting and averaging 37mpg for the Thunder in the playoffs, while 6moty candidate Enes Kanter is coming off the bench for 12 minutes a game.

because while, Kanter can rebound and score decently well, he cant defend so when he is on the floor he gets attacked relentlessly. Roberson on the other hand can defend and for that reason hes been in their starting lineup for 2 years now.

if you want more examples of defensive specialists, how long has Tony Allen started for Memphis? how long has Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford come off the bench?

Greg Monroe and Jonas Valunciunas came off the bench today. Thon Maker started because he can defend. Malcom Brogdon? in there cus he defends. Norm Powell? defense. Tony Snell? in there for defense.

thats 4 young players getting the start because they defend while the 2 big men who can rebound well and score OK started on the bench, because defense gets you starts in the NBA when you actually care about winning.

Young players get minutes because of their defense. Either that or their team doesnt care about winning.
Hey if you think championship teams are built on the Tony Snells of the world more power to you. Give me Julius Randle.
not what I argued at all.

You stated you can start a young guy who sucks at D but can rebound and score decently.

I pointed out that historically winning teams have started their defensive specialists while theyve brought their scorers who cant defend off the bench.

If we can move away from this asinine "who would start argument" Id be happy to do so, but first youve just gotta admit that you were completely wrong that you can start a young dude that gets lost on defense. You can only do that if he is an absolutely elite offensive player. Randle isnt.

as for championships.

they are built on stars. Cle was based on Irving and James, GSW on Steph Klay and Dray, before them SAS was built on Kawhi and Timmy, keep going back and Miami was built on Lebron Wade and Bosh.

No championship is gonna be built on Julius Randle or Marcus Smart. They just arent superstars. Not even close.

who is more valuable to a championship team? a solid scorer who rebounds well and is lost on defense or an elite versatile defender?

I think the elite versatile defender is more valuable. It has been historicaly.

now if Randle improves his offense to the point where he becomes an elite scorer, then the dynamic changes. On the other hand, if Marcus can get to the point where he hits open catch and shoot threes, then the argument changes again.

Good points! Thanks for putting this debate to rest....
TP

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #98 on: April 23, 2017, 04:51:01 PM »

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Hey this thread is about Rozier over Portis. If you want Randle and Smart make a new thread. Go Celtics.  Rozier was the better pick you know why be Becasue I iz Smart.
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Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #99 on: April 23, 2017, 05:05:45 PM »

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You mean your thread got jacked????

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #100 on: April 23, 2017, 06:56:01 PM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.
yeah, I mean thats a fine opinion. I disagree with it completely, but we obviously arent going anywhere in this debate.
This is the difference....in the NBA you can start a young player that is ok on offense, rebounds, and gets lost on defense.

You can play young players who get lost on defense if...you know...you're not trying to WIN basketball games.  Randle as he is now would not start for ANY legitimate playoff contender.  Bad defenders only start on good teams if they are spectacular at other aspects of the game.  Randle, at this point, isn't exceptional at anything.

Mike
Let me get this straight.....you believe Smart would potentially start for a "legitimate playoff contender?"  Well, not the Bulls and they're the 8 seed. We know that. We also know Julius Randle would start for ours so there's that too.

This point has been made to you already but you clearly are not getting it, so let me make it perfectly clear.

JULIUS RANDLE WOULD NOT START FOR THIS CELTICS TEAM.  AMIR WOULD START OVER HIM.  SO WOULD KO AND JJ.  WE WOULD EVEN GO SUPER SMALL AT START MARCUS AT THE 3 AND CROWDER AT THE 4 BEFORE WE WOULD START RANDLE.

I haven't paid enough attention to you to know if you are just trolling or are some longtime Smart-hater but either way, please up your game.  Your shtick isn't clever enough to be either amusing or infuriating.

Mike
Hey where's Smart right now? Oh hey. Gerald Green is starting over him. Amazingly you don't actually have to play elite defensive players that can't shoot.

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #101 on: April 23, 2017, 07:01:39 PM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.
yeah, I mean thats a fine opinion. I disagree with it completely, but we obviously arent going anywhere in this debate.
This is the difference....in the NBA you can start a young player that is ok on offense, rebounds, and gets lost on defense.

You can play young players who get lost on defense if...you know...you're not trying to WIN basketball games.  Randle as he is now would not start for ANY legitimate playoff contender.  Bad defenders only start on good teams if they are spectacular at other aspects of the game.  Randle, at this point, isn't exceptional at anything.

Mike
Let me get this straight.....you believe Smart would potentially start for a "legitimate playoff contender?"  Well, not the Bulls and they're the 8 seed. We know that. We also know Julius Randle would start for ours so there's that too.

This point has been made to you already but you clearly are not getting it, so let me make it perfectly clear.

JULIUS RANDLE WOULD NOT START FOR THIS CELTICS TEAM.  AMIR WOULD START OVER HIM.  SO WOULD KO AND JJ.  WE WOULD EVEN GO SUPER SMALL AT START MARCUS AT THE 3 AND CROWDER AT THE 4 BEFORE WE WOULD START RANDLE.

I haven't paid enough attention to you to know if you are just trolling or are some longtime Smart-hater but either way, please up your game.  Your shtick isn't clever enough to be either amusing or infuriating.

Mike
Hey where's Smart right now? Oh hey. Gerald Green is starting over him. Amazingly you don't actually have to play elite defensive players that can't shoot.
yeah, thats a decent point. Green starting here is more the exception than the rule, but even then its worth looking into.

We needed floor spacing. gerald allows us to go 5 out and creates way more space for the rest of the team.

Julius Randle, a 27% 3 point shooter, doesnt space the floor any more than Marcus.
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Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #102 on: April 23, 2017, 07:05:24 PM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.
yeah, I mean thats a fine opinion. I disagree with it completely, but we obviously arent going anywhere in this debate.
This is the difference....in the NBA you can start a young player that is ok on offense, rebounds, and gets lost on defense.

You can play young players who get lost on defense if...you know...you're not trying to WIN basketball games.  Randle as he is now would not start for ANY legitimate playoff contender.  Bad defenders only start on good teams if they are spectacular at other aspects of the game.  Randle, at this point, isn't exceptional at anything.

Mike
Let me get this straight.....you believe Smart would potentially start for a "legitimate playoff contender?"  Well, not the Bulls and they're the 8 seed. We know that. We also know Julius Randle would start for ours so there's that too.

This point has been made to you already but you clearly are not getting it, so let me make it perfectly clear.

JULIUS RANDLE WOULD NOT START FOR THIS CELTICS TEAM.  AMIR WOULD START OVER HIM.  SO WOULD KO AND JJ.  WE WOULD EVEN GO SUPER SMALL AT START MARCUS AT THE 3 AND CROWDER AT THE 4 BEFORE WE WOULD START RANDLE.

I haven't paid enough attention to you to know if you are just trolling or are some longtime Smart-hater but either way, please up your game.  Your shtick isn't clever enough to be either amusing or infuriating.

Mike
Hey where's Smart right now? Oh hey. Gerald Green is starting over him. Amazingly you don't actually have to play elite defensive players that can't shoot.
yeah, thats a decent point. Green starting here is more the exception than the rule, but even then its worth looking into.

We needed floor spacing. gerald allows us to go 5 out and creates way more space for the rest of the team.

Julius Randle, a 27% 3 point shooter, doesnt space the floor any more than Marcus.
He doesn't space it more than KO or Sully either

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #103 on: April 23, 2017, 07:17:28 PM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.
yeah, I mean thats a fine opinion. I disagree with it completely, but we obviously arent going anywhere in this debate.
This is the difference....in the NBA you can start a young player that is ok on offense, rebounds, and gets lost on defense.

You can play young players who get lost on defense if...you know...you're not trying to WIN basketball games.  Randle as he is now would not start for ANY legitimate playoff contender.  Bad defenders only start on good teams if they are spectacular at other aspects of the game.  Randle, at this point, isn't exceptional at anything.

Mike
Let me get this straight.....you believe Smart would potentially start for a "legitimate playoff contender?"  Well, not the Bulls and they're the 8 seed. We know that. We also know Julius Randle would start for ours so there's that too.

This point has been made to you already but you clearly are not getting it, so let me make it perfectly clear.

JULIUS RANDLE WOULD NOT START FOR THIS CELTICS TEAM.  AMIR WOULD START OVER HIM.  SO WOULD KO AND JJ.  WE WOULD EVEN GO SUPER SMALL AT START MARCUS AT THE 3 AND CROWDER AT THE 4 BEFORE WE WOULD START RANDLE.

I haven't paid enough attention to you to know if you are just trolling or are some longtime Smart-hater but either way, please up your game.  Your shtick isn't clever enough to be either amusing or infuriating.

Mike
Hey where's Smart right now? Oh hey. Gerald Green is starting over him. Amazingly you don't actually have to play elite defensive players that can't shoot.

Uh...who doesn't understand that Smart can't shoot?  That's not the argument, troll.  If he never learns to shoot, his ceiling is somewhere around Tony Allen.  And just to make sure you understand, that means extremely valuable role player on a very good team.  With his defense as bad as it is, Randle's ceiling is NEVER playing serious minutes on a good team.

Are you always this awful at arguments?  'Cause it is not hard to criticize Smart.  When your example of a good player is Julius Randle, however, you just look stupid.

Mike

Re: Rozier over Portis. A trash decision.
« Reply #104 on: April 23, 2017, 07:25:42 PM »

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 Verdict is in. One of the stupidest choices Ainge has made in the draft.
 A pick that nearly everyone was furious over for good reason.

 We may lose this series because of it. Horford, Portis, Amir, Kelly, would be a nice Frontcourt.

 Rozier gets no minutes, he's the Last thing we needed, but Ainge had to have his Binky.
 Portis was easily the best player on the board.

 Terrible.
It's not as bad as Giannis over KO, but I think we can all agree on this.

Smart over J Randle still seems to be a mistake as well.

I will assume this is a joke.
Silly assumption. One is a starter in this league and the other is the single worst shooter in it
The fact that Julius Randle starts for the 3rd worst team in the league while Smart is the 6th man for the 4th best, does not help your argument.
Randle would start for us. Smart would not start for the Lakers. Fact
Except Amir Johnson is better than Randle and would probably start.  And there is a good chance Smart would start next to Russell in the backcourt.  So it's definitely not a fact.
Amir Johnson is on his last legs. He can hardly keep KO off the court.
Brad doesnt play guys much if they are as lost on defense as Julius Randle is on a regular basis.

his rebounding prowess and ability to pass well would probably force him into the starting lineup eventually, but he would not get many minutes until he woke the **** up on defense.

Kelly and Amir are trash defensively at this point(physically) but they are intelligent enough to generally know where to be and to play solid team defense.

If you cant do that (randles shown no signs that he can) then you wont play much for any team that isnt just tanking (see Lakers, LA).

if we are gonna take this pointless hypothetical this literally you might as well factor that in.
Ok. I'm factoring that in. Randle would start for us. Smart wouldn't start for the Lakers.
yeah, I mean thats a fine opinion. I disagree with it completely, but we obviously arent going anywhere in this debate.
This is the difference....in the NBA you can start a young player that is ok on offense, rebounds, and gets lost on defense.

You can play young players who get lost on defense if...you know...you're not trying to WIN basketball games.  Randle as he is now would not start for ANY legitimate playoff contender.  Bad defenders only start on good teams if they are spectacular at other aspects of the game.  Randle, at this point, isn't exceptional at anything.

Mike
Let me get this straight.....you believe Smart would potentially start for a "legitimate playoff contender?"  Well, not the Bulls and they're the 8 seed. We know that. We also know Julius Randle would start for ours so there's that too.

This point has been made to you already but you clearly are not getting it, so let me make it perfectly clear.

JULIUS RANDLE WOULD NOT START FOR THIS CELTICS TEAM.  AMIR WOULD START OVER HIM.  SO WOULD KO AND JJ.  WE WOULD EVEN GO SUPER SMALL AT START MARCUS AT THE 3 AND CROWDER AT THE 4 BEFORE WE WOULD START RANDLE.

I haven't paid enough attention to you to know if you are just trolling or are some longtime Smart-hater but either way, please up your game.  Your shtick isn't clever enough to be either amusing or infuriating.

Mike
Hey where's Smart right now? Oh hey. Gerald Green is starting over him. Amazingly you don't actually have to play elite defensive players that can't shoot.

Uh...who doesn't understand that Smart can't shoot?  That's not the argument, troll.  If he never learns to shoot, his ceiling is somewhere around Tony Allen.  And just to make sure you understand, that means extremely valuable role player on a very good team.  With his defense as bad as it is, Randle's ceiling is NEVER playing serious minutes on a good team.

Are you always this awful at arguments?  'Cause it is not hard to criticize Smart.  When your example of a good player is Julius Randle, however, you just look stupid.

Mike
It's just that Randle would start on this team and Smart takes a back seat to Gerald Green.