Another KP idea

[Roy H.]

Let's say we get the #2 pick in the draft.  In a prearranged trade, would you do this deal?

BOS trades: BRK17 (#2 overall), Jae Crowder, 2017 second rounder
NYK trades: Porzingis, Carmelo, O'Quinn


Horford / O'Quinn / Zizic
Porzingis / Yabu
Carmelo / Brown
Bradley / Smart
Isaiah / Rozier

Does that trade make us a contender? Are we deep enough? Who could we get with the room exception? Does winning cure chemistry issues? What is KP's upside versus Ball's or Jackson's?

[RJ87]

 I'd do that deal.

Not sure NYK is getting enough back, however. Playing devil's advocate, I'd ask for Rozier and a future 1st to sweeten the pot.

[PhoSita]

I'd be a little bit concerned with Thomas, Melo, Horford all on the negative side of the "stay in front of quicker offensive players in the pick and roll" equation.

That said, Porzingis might not have as high an upside as Fultz or Ball, but the floor for him is All-Star caliber inside-out center on a good team with above average coaching. 

Getting a professional scorer (which this team needs) and a quality energy big to replace KO on the bench on top of that would be quite a haul.


I agree that this would be a tough sell for New York.  Zinger is the only reason for Knicks fans to be excited about the team at the moment, and the history of #2 overall picks is not exactly stellar over the last few years.

[PhoSita]

Setting aside KP and Melo, I think O'Quinn should be an off-season target no matter what happens with the rest of the roster.

He's wasted on that Knicks team, and the Celts desperately need a big man off the bench who brings energy, grabs boards, sets an edge inside.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Can we trade Melo to another team after this deal goes thru?

I just don't like having Melo and Isaiah together on the same team. I don't like the fit of two ball dominant guys being together.

[PhoSita]

Can we trade Melo to another team after this deal goes thru?

I just don't like having Melo and Isaiah together on the same team. I don't like the fit of two ball dominant guys being together.

Two ball dominant guys isn't an issue -- in fact it's a strength -- as long as they can each do something positive when playing off the ball.

A major weakness of the Celts right now is that there's nobody who is really dangerous with the ball in his hands when the other team succeeds in forcing the ball out of Isaiah's hands.

Thomas has played alright operating off the ball when Smart has been the ballhandler.

Melo has shown an ability to succeed off the ball on team USA.

Question is whether Brad would be able to get everybody to buy into playing the correct way.

[Who]

No -- I don't like the balance of the team.

Both Porzingis and Horford need to play center. Not PF.
Melo needs to play PF and not SF which he can't do if Porzingis / Horford are starting bigs.
Melo and Isaiah are two of the worst perimeter defenders in the league.

If that was the roster, I think Melo would have to come off the bench in a 6th man role. Sorta like Tobias Harris a few years ago or Corliss Williamson for the 2004 Pistons. That combo-forward instant offense type role.

The Celtics would be too lacking in athleticism and defensive quickness if Melo was shoehorned into that starting lineup. Porzingis and Horford as a starting pair have okay but not great defensive quickness. They need more help from the perimeter defense which they would not get if both Melo and Isaiah were allowed to start next to them. Bradley would be the only player with plus quickness and defensive ability in the starting lineup.

If Jae is traded, that would mean Jaylen would have to start.

PG - Isaiah, Smart
SG - Bradley, Smart
SF - Jaylen, Melo
PF - Porzingis, Melo
 C - Horford, Olynyk

Zizic, Yabu, Rozier as deep bench. Need some more bench wings who can defend.

That doesn't look like a contender to me. Looks one more big piece away from being a title contender. Maybe Jaylen grows into that piece ... but right now, no ... not a contender.

[Moranis]

There is no way New York makes that trade so there really isn't any point in talking about it.

[Roy H.]

There is no way New York makes that trade so there really isn't any point in talking about it.

New York would love to turn Melo into Crowder.

So, it comes down to whether KP is worth more than the #2.  He probably is, but that can change if he demands a trade.

[playdream]

Let's say we get the #2 pick in the draft.  In a prearranged trade, would you do this deal?

BOS trades: BRK17 (#2 overall), Jae Crowder, 2017 second rounder
NYK trades: Porzingis, Carmelo, O'Quinn


Horford / O'Quinn / Zizic
Porzingis / Yabu
Carmelo / Brown
Bradley / Smart
Isaiah / Rozier

Does that trade make us a contender? Are we deep enough? Who could we get with the room exception? Does winning cure chemistry issues? What is KP's upside versus Ball's or Jackson's?

sadly no, but i will do pick KP swap
mind KP is injury prone thus #2 is about the right price

[Big333223]

It's an interesting trade idea. I don't think I like it because I don't really like Carmelo. I have a hard time imagining him buying into the team concept Brad has instilled. He seems resigned to being a ball stopper until he can't make big money playing basketball anymore.

I'm being picky but I'm being that way because, the way I see it, the only way Porzingis could be available at all is if he has demanded a trade. Otherwise, they're not letting him go. But if he has demanded a trade, the Knicks lose their leverage and Porzingis could be potentially got without giving up Crowder for Melo.

[jay]

Roy, I'm assuming Zeller and Amir would be involved to make salaries match?

I love it. We have to move Crowder at some point to make way for Brown.

I would like Carmelo in a role, with several members of the second unit. Maybe he starts, but Brown comes in for him pretty early. Then, bring him back with the second unit. If he is on the floor with athletic defenders (who can hopefully spot up and hit open shots) he could be effective. Put him on the floor with Smart, Rozier or Bradley, O'Quinn, Yabu - I would think the second unit wouldn't struggle to score so much.

[the_gunner]

It looks like that a trade for Porzingis is not that unrealistic anyway. I think he is trying to force himself out of New York.
http://nypost.com/2017/04/24/porzingis-i-love-new-york-but-care-most-about-winning/

And maybe the price isn't even that high

https://dailyknicks.com/2017/04/24/knicks-kristaps-porzingis-trade-rumors/

I think that a trade involving Bradley, Crowder, a first rounder(not nets) and a few second rounders might actually be enough, at Knicks might be blowing it all up.

I know the trade doesn't work in the trade machine so we have to bring ind some salary filler and maybe even involve a third team to make it happen.

Knicks will do the deal, as Bradley and Crowder are great lockerroomguys that would really be great on a rebuilding team.

We would do it, because we can then trade for Hayward and have a pretty good rotation, especially if get to draft Fultz.

Guards
Thomas, Smart, Fultz and Rozier

Forwards
Hayward, Brown and maybe someone like Jerebko on a minimum deal!

Bigs
Porzingis, Horford, Yabusele and Zizic

I think that team might actually be a contender

[Somebody]

It looks like that a trade for Porzingis is not that unrealistic anyway. I think he is trying to force himself out of New York.
http://nypost.com/2017/04/24/porzingis-i-love-new-york-but-care-most-about-winning/

And maybe the price isn't even that high

https://dailyknicks.com/2017/04/24/knicks-kristaps-porzingis-trade-rumors/

I think that a trade involving Bradley, Crowder, a first rounder(not nets) and a few second rounders might actually be enough, at Knicks might be blowing it all up.

I know the trade doesn't work in the trade machine so we have to bring ind some salary filler and maybe even involve a third team to make it happen.

Knicks will do the deal, as Bradley and Crowder are great lockerroomguys that would really be great on a rebuilding team.

We would do it, because we can then trade for Hayward and have a pretty good rotation, especially if get to draft Fultz.

Guards
Thomas, Smart, Fultz and Rozier

Forwards
Hayward, Brown and maybe someone like Jerebko on a minimum deal!

Bigs
Porzingis, Horford, Yabusele and Zizic

I think that team might actually be a contender

Think so as well, I'd actually resign James Young and sign Nader for the wing spots. Also I'd use the MLE for a guy like David West or Mo Speights. Finally I'd pick a hardworking center with one of our 2nds who is basically a body to use inside when Horford or Porzingis get hurt.

Lineup:
PG: IT, Rozier, Jackson
SG: Smart, Fultz, Young
SF:Hayward, Brown, Nader
PF:Porzingis, West, Yabusele
C: Horford, Zizic, 2nd rounder
2nd unit is super young but they've got Rozier (has some playoff experience),West (enough said lol) and Jaylen (quick learner so his rookie season should be good experience already, especially as we're looking to go relatively deep in the playoffs this year). Fultz is a phenom so I guess he'll pick up things quickly during the season, especially with good vets around him. As for Zizic, he's already got some pro experience unde his belt so I think he'll be fine, playing in the best league in the world except for the NBA is no small thing, especially when you lead a team to beat the best non nba team in the world in the playoffs.

[JumpingJudkins]

I saw the title and wondered "why are we stilling trying to get Kendrick Perkins back?"