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Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2017, 06:05:23 PM »

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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?

there is no substance to melo as a player. he does not make his team better, in fact he makes 'em worse.

camby and Billups carried him.

Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2017, 06:25:17 PM »

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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?

there is no substance to melo as a player. he does not make his team better, in fact he makes 'em worse.

camby and Billups carried him.

Melo hasn't had the right coach yet, unfortunately.

In some ways - look at Jordan Crawford. He was supposedly a problem child THEN Coach Brad Stevens got a hold of him and he turned into a productive NBA player.

JC went to China IIRC and NOW he's back in the NBA with a 2-year contract on a promising Pelicans team.

The right coaching can make a difference even in superstars like Melo.

Let's look at Melo's coaches...

George Karl in DEN (Not known for his Defensive acumen). Known moreso nowadays for mud-slinging and his book (with Melo being an unfortunate target).

Mike Woodson in NY (Interestingly enough - the 2012-13 NY Knicks went to the EC Semis and won 54 games with Melo as a KEY cog).

Coach Woodson's team was NOT trying to employ a "Triangle" either.

And now he has Jeff Hornacek who seems to be more of a puppet for Phil Jackson - no disrespect to Jeff, though.

Melo has not had the right coach, yet. I hope he finds the right situation in his NBA career because it's NOT in NY for him, unfortunately.

I've gained even more respect for how Melo has handled all of this, though. I feel brighter days are ahead for him.
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Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2017, 06:26:19 PM »

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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?

there is no substance to melo as a player. he does not make his team better, in fact he makes 'em worse.

camby and Billups carried him.
he is a career 25/7/3 player.

He has never scored less than 20ppg in his career. He is a 12 time all-star. He has led the league in scoring.

Dont tell me people think he is a superstar because of "reputation in college and high draft pick status"

that is absolutely ridiculous and you lose all credibility when you say that. You can claim he is overrated, that he stops the ball and is only seen as a superstar because of his scoring numbers, but if you say its because he was well regarded out of college, you lost credibility.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2017, 06:32:31 PM by Ilikesports17 »
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Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2017, 08:29:35 PM »

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anyone wanting Anthony here doesn't get it, apparently hasn't watched basketball the last 10 plus yrs., and I seriously question them as a Celtics fan.

he's arguably had better talent around him than pierce ever did before the big 3 era and he did nothing with it. while pierce took guys like Jiri welsch to the playoffs. sure the east was weak but outside of a couple teams since melo's been in NY the east hasn't been much better. and this waste of talent couldn't even sniff a 7th or 8th seed.
The fact that Melo is no longer as good as a 24-28 year old Paul Pierce does not mean we shouldnt want him.

When he had talent on his team, Melo made the playoffs. Once as a 2 seed. Lets not forget, the "talent" he had was the corpse of Amare Stoudemire, a very old Tyson Chandler, JR Smith and the corpse of Chauncy Billups.

Not a great squad.

melo was never as good as pierce. and i'm the most non-homer fan you'll find.

that knicks squad you mentioned was better than anything pierce had prior to the big 3. and the east was very weak then, just like when pierce was taking scrubs to the playoffs.
that Kninks squad was not as good as the Pierce/Walker team though it still won the Atlantic and a playoff series.
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Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #49 on: April 17, 2017, 09:17:43 PM »

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just saw Melo split with La La.

dont know how that would effect his willingness to accept a trade, but Id imagine it has some effect.

Id still take him in a minute. Would have really loved his ability to create his own shot last night. No way Mirotic or Portis could cover him at the 4.

plus he would be our best rebounder probably (which says more about us than Melo)
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Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2017, 09:25:39 PM »

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just saw Melo split with La La.

dont know how that would effect his willingness to accept a trade, but Id imagine it has some effect.

Id still take him in a minute. Would have really loved his ability to create his own shot last night. No way Mirotic or Portis could cover him at the 4.

plus he would be our best rebounder probably (which says more about us than Melo)

TP.

Grab Melo and O'Quinn or Hernangomez, for Bradley and parts and any picks but BKs.

Sign Milsap or Hayward, Keep BK '17 an'18.

Compete now and for the next 10 years.

EDIT: Looks like no more Honey nut Cheerios for Melo. :(

Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #51 on: April 18, 2017, 12:51:52 AM »

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Hasn't Jackson been "shopping" Melo for a year and a half already?
If anybody wanted the guy, it would've happened by now. He's not worth any significant assets, plain & simple.  The Clippers weren't even willing to give up Reddick for him.

Moreover, it's incredibly laughable that the N.Y. media keeps mentioning Boston as a potential trade partner because of the Brooklyn picks.  Yeah right, keep thinking Danny Ainge is dumb enough to part with those assets for a guy who is 32.  Whatever sells their fishwrap, I guess . . . all the b.s. "fit to print."

Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #52 on: April 18, 2017, 01:36:32 AM »

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Hasn't Jackson been "shopping" Melo for a year and a half already?
If anybody wanted the guy, it would've happened by now. He's not worth any significant assets, plain & simple.  The Clippers weren't even willing to give up Reddick for him.

Moreover, it's incredibly laughable that the N.Y. media keeps mentioning Boston as a potential trade partner because of the Brooklyn picks.  Yeah right, keep thinking Danny Ainge is dumb enough to part with those assets for a guy who is 32.  Whatever sells their fishwrap, I guess . . . all the b.s. "fit to print."
yes, but midseason trades are tough when you have a $24 million contract. Also, Id imagine after this debacle Melo is more receptive to waiving that NTC. He is very clearly not wanted anymore.

Plus, it seems with his declaration that Melo is better off elsewhere it appears Phil is also conceding that he wont get much value at all in return for Melo.

If Phil accepts the fact that he cant expect more than expirings and a few middling picks and prospects, then he could probably find a buyer this offseason.
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Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #53 on: April 18, 2017, 01:45:09 AM »

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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?

there is no substance to melo as a player. he does not make his team better, in fact he makes 'em worse.

camby and Billups carried him.
he is a career 25/7/3 player.

He has never scored less than 20ppg in his career. He is a 12 time all-star. He has led the league in scoring.

Dont tell me people think he is a superstar because of "reputation in college and high draft pick status"

that is absolutely ridiculous and you lose all credibility when you say that. You can claim he is overrated, that he stops the ball and is only seen as a superstar because of his scoring numbers, but if you say its because he was well regarded out of college, you lost credibility.

Melo was a superstar in his prime, and obviously from a name perspective still is...

But he, like Wade, hasn't provided that level impact for 2 years or so now. He hasn't fallen off as much as D Wade, because he is younger, but neither guy is what they once were.

Melo right now probably isn't a top 30 player.

Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #54 on: April 18, 2017, 02:20:41 AM »

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melo is a superstar only because of his reputation in college and high draft pick status.
is this as joke?

there is no substance to melo as a player. he does not make his team better, in fact he makes 'em worse.

camby and Billups carried him.
he is a career 25/7/3 player.

He has never scored less than 20ppg in his career. He is a 12 time all-star. He has led the league in scoring.

Dont tell me people think he is a superstar because of "reputation in college and high draft pick status"

that is absolutely ridiculous and you lose all credibility when you say that. You can claim he is overrated, that he stops the ball and is only seen as a superstar because of his scoring numbers, but if you say its because he was well regarded out of college, you lost credibility.

Melo was a superstar in his prime, and obviously from a name perspective still is...

But he, like Wade, hasn't provided that level impact for 2 years or so now. He hasn't fallen off as much as D Wade, because he is younger, but neither guy is what they once were.

Melo right now probably isn't a top 30 player.
is anyone here arguing that Melo is a superstar?

a poster suggested that he is considered a superstar because of what he did BEFORE he got to the NBA. That is absurd.
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Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2017, 06:26:33 AM »

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P-Jax turned from wine to vinegar.
He gave Melo NT clause and now he is throwing the ping pong the ball to Melos lap, saying he should waive it. Sorry, Phil, you are the incompetent conductor and you should be responsible for the orchestras off-key sound. It is not Melo that gave himself the max contract and the clause. Players don't have that sort of authority. Now, P-Jax is sadly clinging to this Melo-winning pride argument. The argument used to sign him, LOL, now being used to banish him. And if Melo plays throughout his contract, Phil has no chance of success unless he wins the lottery.
He also thought Noah is better than R. Lopez and signed him to that 72/4 vinegar contract.
His triangle comments just put the whole thing over the top for me. He preaches it, he is not the coach, he hired the coaches that don't want it, players as well. He never gathered the personnel in the 1st place and now this is the reason for the failures.
Montana is dear to him so he spends the least time with the team if we are counting in all of the NBA presidents.
The incompetence always shows itself. Maybe not in the first month or a year, but it rises to the surface at some point. Phils is clearly visible and the only defense he can muster for himself is to blame the post prime Melo, (BTW he begged him to sign) that has been a very good professional and expectedly dropped off in his 33rd year.

This is, in my eyes, a sad story of a man growing old. Something we will all hopefully face. Let this be a lesson for us, to step away while the time is right and before we screw up everything we have done right prior.
Thank you Zen master for this last and valuable lesson.

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Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #56 on: April 18, 2017, 07:24:06 AM »

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Pretty clear that Jackson is only as good as his players.

Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #57 on: April 18, 2017, 09:06:34 AM »

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The salaries in a Melo trade will be hard to match and his price's going to be low. Look what the Kings got for Cousins. He'll probably only allow himself to traded to a contender and only if the contender doesn't give up too much, other wise they would no longer be a contender. What a mismanaged mess by Phil Jackson, really makes you appreciate the Nets trade even more! If such a thing is possible!

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kpnc79f

Melo for Pek and Aldrich (salaries), Tyus Jones (youg talent) plus a 2017/18/19 first?

They'd be taking on equally long and bad contracts but they'd get out from under the Melo drama and get an additioanal lotto pick. Wolves would get some veterern guidance for that young core while they develop.
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Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #58 on: April 18, 2017, 09:13:02 AM »

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Pretty clear that Jackson is only as good as his players.

One of the most overrated figures in sports. Guy won with MJ/Kobe/Shaq. Hasn't done anything without them.

Re: Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo
« Reply #59 on: April 18, 2017, 09:15:01 AM »

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The subject of this thread just kills me every time I see it..

Jackson confirms the Knicks will try and trade Melo


The Knicks will try what?

and

The Knicks will trade Melo

 ;) :D :police:


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