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Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #75 on: December 07, 2017, 12:02:51 AM »

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Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #76 on: December 07, 2017, 12:04:05 AM »

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Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #77 on: December 07, 2017, 03:36:33 AM »

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I dislike his small hands. That just limits his ability to catch the ball in general. He will spend a lot of his time in the crowd. Be it finishing around the rim, or grabing boards, so it is even more vital.
Maybe I am overeacting, but can he palm the ball?


Wait what is this based on? I have seen this guy play close to a dozen times now and have never gotten that impression. In fact in my view, one of his top 3 strengths is his ability to go up and snatch the ball.
I saw these highlights and it thought so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNRtRUKKYio
0:18, 0:42
He naturally snatches the ball cause he is a big, big dude, explosive, muscular and long and his counterparts, college guys, are not up to his level.
I would like to see him dunk a one-handed oop, something that is a valuable trait for a guy of his ability and position. It would provide his future NBA team with a more versatile version of vertical spacing, a modern bigs important role. I would like that my center can snatch a couple of rebounds with one hand as it is a necessity sometimes, in the crowd, while being out of the perfect box out position, when purely outleaping someone.

It is not his final judgment, just a thought and something I don't prefer from my top, top guy.
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Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #78 on: December 07, 2017, 06:36:01 AM »

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Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNRtRUKKYio
0:18, 0:42

That tape made me question if he has good hands at times, too.   Thanks for sharing.  I did not think he had too small just hands of stone that can't catch the ball.

Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #79 on: December 07, 2017, 08:00:23 AM »

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Shades of hakeem the dream and david robinson

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Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #80 on: December 07, 2017, 08:31:25 AM »

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Shades of hakeem the dream and david robinson

https://youtu.be/TPpng6kZtrU

I get the shades of Robinson, but I feel the Hakeem comparison is off. He was arguably the greatest post player of all time. I love what Ayton brings, but his post game needs a ton of refining. Athletically and in terms of frame, he is very similar to both Hakeem and Robinson, but in terms of what made Hakeem, Hakeem, Ayton is pretty far off.
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Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #81 on: December 07, 2017, 09:49:49 AM »

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According to draftexpress, here are Ayton's measurements (from 2016 Nike Hoop Summit @Portland, OR)
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2016-Nike-Hoop-Summit-International-Measurements-5423/

Hand Length: 9.5
Hand Width: 9.5

Height (w/ shoes): 6-11.75
Weight: 243
Wingspan: 7-5.5
Standing Reach : 9-3

In comparison, here are the respective measurements of some of the best center prospects from last years' draft
http://www.nbadraft.net/2017-nba-draft-combine-measurements

Zach Collins (#10)
Hand Length: 8.75
Hand Width: 9.25

Bam Adebayo (#14)
Hand Length: 9.5
Hand Width: 8.75

Justin Patton (#16)
Hand Length: 8.75
Hand Width: 9.75

Jarrett Allen (#22)
Hand Length: 9.5
Hand Width: 10.5

Tony Bradley (#28)
Hand Length: 9.5
Hand Width: 9.5

Thomas Bryant (#42)
Hand Length: 9.5
Hand Width: 10.25

Ike Anigbogu (#47)
Hand Length: 9.5
Hand Width: 10

Jonathan Jeanne (projected to go late first/early second round leading up to the draft, diagnosed with Marfan syndrome and went undrafted :()
Hand Length: 9.5
Hand Width: 10

Thomas Welsh (he withdrew his name from the draft and stayed at UCLA)
Hand Length: 9.00    
Hand Width: 10.50

Ömer Yurtseven (again, withdrew his name from the draft and went back for one more season at NC State)
Hand Length: 9.00    
Hand Width: 10.50

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Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #82 on: December 26, 2017, 12:37:28 AM »

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Bill Walton: “we’re always on a bike trip”
Dave Pasch: “remove ‘bike’ from that sentence... and you are correct...”

Bill Walton: “how do they call a foul on that play?”
Dave Pasch: “when there’s tripping they usually call it”

Bill Walton: “there’s Ayton, and you’re the guy who said he was no good.”
Dave Pasch: “I didn’t say that! You’re bringing up guys from 30 years ago.”

Dave Pasch: “nice defense by A&M”
Bill Walton: “oh please!”
I started typing the first exchange and never stopped typing until just now, that all happened in like 2 minutes. And they are interrupting each other at every opportunity.

Is anyone else seeing this? Arizona vs A&M on Watch ESPN replays.

I'm watching a replay  of that game on Pac 12 network now.  I'm most interested in Bill Walton's comments that Ayton is the best big he's seen since shaq. Walton also said that Ayton is better them Embid and that when he first saw Ayton he thought he was David Robinson.

Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #83 on: December 26, 2017, 07:16:43 AM »

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Ayton looks better than Embid did his freshman year and not just the skills side which Embid playing less explains. It's physically, the way he moves looks quicker and more explosive. 76ers need to start tanking again to draft this guy and send him out of conference lol
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Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #84 on: December 26, 2017, 01:28:19 PM »

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Shades of hakeem the dream and david robinson

https://youtu.be/TPpng6kZtrU

I get the shades of Robinson, but I feel the Hakeem comparison is off. He was arguably the greatest post player of all time. I love what Ayton brings, but his post game needs a ton of refining. Athletically and in terms of frame, he is very similar to both Hakeem and Robinson, but in terms of what made Hakeem, Hakeem, Ayton is pretty far off.
Yeah, not sure I'd compare him to Hakeem. Hakeem was a good soccer player. It's why he had such great foot work, unlike any other. His post moves were unstoppable and he had that fade away as well. Ayton has a long way to go but he has skills, just not that elite footwork. Who knows, maybe he's a really good dancer which can only help him.
I'd put Olajuwon up there with Malone and McHale as best in the business down low (as well as Kareem but he only had one move and that's only because that's all he needed).

Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #85 on: December 28, 2017, 02:45:47 PM »

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I like Ayton the most, but maybe i'm stuck in the 90's basketball.  Imagine this team with Ayton over Baynes.  But adding Badley might be like adding KD instead of Baynes which is what our coach likes most.  Lineup of Horford, Badley, Tatum, Hayward and Kyrie could switch everything and use length on defense and rebounding.

Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2018, 04:47:45 PM »

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I'm super high on Ayton, but unfortunately it looks like he could be #1 pick, which is not an option for us.  :(

If Hawks get #1, you think they take Ayton or maybe someone else (like Young)??
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Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2018, 05:13:58 PM »

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I'm super high on Ayton, but unfortunately it looks like he could be #1 pick, which is not an option for us.  :(

If Hawks get #1, you think they take Ayton or maybe someone else (like Young)??

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Re: DeAndre Ayton thread
« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2018, 05:35:35 PM »

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I'm super high on Ayton, but unfortunately it looks like he could be #1 pick, which is not an option for us.  :(

If Hawks get #1, you think they take Ayton or maybe someone else (like Young)??
I could see the Hawks taking any of Bagley, Ayton or Doncic.

Ayton and Collins would be a good front-court for years, as would Bagley and Collins

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« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2018, 08:06:13 PM »

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I'm super high on Ayton, but unfortunately it looks like he could be #1 pick, which is not an option for us.  :(

If Hawks get #1, you think they take Ayton or maybe someone else (like Young)??

Perfect we need Bagley.

Well Bagley would be great at #2 or #3 (if he falls to #3). I wouldn't mind.
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