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Lebron feels rest memo from Silver all about him
« on: March 21, 2017, 03:58:43 PM »

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http://www.slamonline.com/nba/lebron-james-says-rest-problem-started-when-he-missed-games/#BIyCvhwfMEriwZhp.97

Kind of comes off as having a pretty ridiculous ego. For one, the league is getting upset at least equally for the Warriors resting three guys in their mid 20's (Curry, Thompson, Green) for a weekend national TV game against the Spurs that the Spurs also rested Aldridge for. The Cavs are also resting 2 others stars in their 20's every time Lebron rests.

Secondly, generally Pops whole resting thing was done with pretty old players. Duncan was 35, 36, 37 when a lot of this was going on. Ginobli was a year or so younger. Parker was closer to 30 (but is currently completely washed up at 34).

As far as the debate overall, I find it fairly confusing that the Lue can't keep Lebron's numbers respectable on a game to game basis (32 minutes) but then wants to have him miss whole games.

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The guy is full of himself lol

Dont cry Lebron.... Rest up


Re: Lebron feels rest memo from Silver all about him
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2017, 04:40:49 PM »

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Pop has been resting players for years.  He has consistently rested Parker (when in his 20's) and Leonard as well.  I mean Leonard has never even played 73 games in a season (and it isn't all injuries). 

Of course, James has been resting for years as well.  It isn't like James, just decided to sit out some games this year and this a new issue.   

I do think the problem is more magnified now because more teams are doing it and they are doing it for the national tv games which are being advertised as great showdowns only to be major let downs. 

That said, the Cavs this year are something like 0-8 in a back to back when they are on the road for the second game and travel in between (so their win in LA doesn't count since both those road games were in LA).  There does seem to be a real issue with these road back to backs as it pertains to winning the games.  Oddly enough when the Cavs travel home for a back to back they are something like 3-0 in the second game (which is at home so it isn't just about traveling, but more about being on the road). 

The scheduling it just strange, but it seems like it is always this way.  I do think the international competition all summer long has affected the players though.  Some of these guys play pretty consistently year round with no off season.  For guys like Duncan, James, etc. who have been in the Finals so much, they really doesn't get that many breaks in the year.  They seemingly need to do something about that.  I'm not sure what that is, but less back to backs would seemingly make sense.
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Re: Lebron feels rest memo from Silver all about him
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2017, 04:56:31 PM »

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Pop has been resting players for years.  He has consistently rested Parker (when in his 20's) and Leonard as well.  I mean Leonard has never even played 73 games in a season (and it isn't all injuries). 

Of course, James has been resting for years as well.  It isn't like James, just decided to sit out some games this year and this a new issue.   

I do think the problem is more magnified now because more teams are doing it and they are doing it for the national tv games which are being advertised as great showdowns only to be major let downs. 

That said, the Cavs this year are something like 0-8 in a back to back when they are on the road for the second game and travel in between (so their win in LA doesn't count since both those road games were in LA).  There does seem to be a real issue with these road back to backs as it pertains to winning the games.  Oddly enough when the Cavs travel home for a back to back they are something like 3-0 in the second game (which is at home so it isn't just about traveling, but more about being on the road). 

The scheduling it just strange, but it seems like it is always this way.  I do think the international competition all summer long has affected the players though.  Some of these guys play pretty consistently year round with no off season.  For guys like Duncan, James, etc. who have been in the Finals so much, they really doesn't get that many breaks in the year.  They seemingly need to do something about that.  I'm not sure what that is, but less back to backs would seemingly make sense.

I don't really know how to look it up, but I actually think it is definitely mostly injuries. I peeked at last year since it is the easiest to do with him missing the least amount of games.

Two games at the end of the season for rest with playoff seeding locked up (I don't think anyone has any issues with giving a guy a break at the end of the season with seeding locked as even moderately intelligent fans realize there is a chance they will see weird lineups buying tickets for the last game or two of a season)

Missed 3 games with a quad contusion (think it was at least somewhat serious since it was when they were fighting for seeding).

Missed 3 games with a calf injury

Missed 2 games against Philly 12/7 and 11/14 (not in the box score so don't know if injury or not)

So Kawii may have missed 2 games all of last year for rest days over the course of the season against a near historically bad Philly team. This really makes your comment about 73 games come off a little disingenuous.

For comparison Lebron also missed 2 games last week of the season (which again I don't think anyone cares about.

Lebron rested 3/29 and 3/26, 2/28, 12/15 for a total of 4 non-last week rest games. Spreading a notion that Leonard has been resting a ton is pretty false considering Lebron rested twice as many games last year.

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His latest sit-out was after a day off; unlike when the Warriors did it recently, playing the day before and arriving in San Antonio at 3:00am in the morning. James Harden, btw hasn't missed a single game.

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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2017, 05:14:51 PM »

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He is as usual his own worst enemy.  This must be true to hit a nerve like that.

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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2017, 05:19:24 PM »

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Re: Lebron feels rest memo from Silver all about him
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2017, 06:29:49 PM »

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The memo is a lot about LeBron.  The NBA signed a huge TV deal.  This gives the league a lot of money, about half of which goes to the players.  If top players are sitting out these marquee games in the final stretch of the season, when they're fighting for playoff positioning and not going up against the NFL, the networks that paid $24 billion are going to be rightfully mad, since ratings will drop, and thus ad revenue will drop.  And as LeBron is still the highest rating magnet, it matters when he (and the rest of his team) sits for a prime time game against another star-heavy team in the Clippers.

The NBA is helping this problem a little bit next year by cutting down on some of the pre-season, thus starting the regular season earlier, allowing for fewer back-to-backs.  What they should also do is not schedule a team for back-to-back national games.  If someone wants a rest day on a back-to-back, fine, just don't do it during the national game.  The Warriors have a back-to-back at the Rockets and Spurs next week, and both are nationally televised.  The Rockets have one later that week at Portland and Golden State.  The Celtics have one the following week vs. Cleveland and Atlanta.  The Hawks go straight from our nationally televised to playing at Cleveland nationally the next day.

If you want high quality games on your national broadcasts, don't ask teams to load up on high intensity games at the end of the season.

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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2017, 07:30:45 PM »

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I have always found it to be an absolute joke that these "best and most highly trained athletes(in their 20's and 30's) in the world" can't play 30 minutes of basketball three, or even four times a week without getting regular "rest" days! Please!
I believe a great percentage of working folks, in at least as physical, if not more so, jobs work five and even six days a week, eight, ten or twelve hours a day without regular "rest" days.  Many of those folks are in their 50's and 60's!  So let's call it for what it really is......a bunch of overpaid, highly pampered athletes, who feel nothing is too good for them!  Before salaries got totally out of control (or many call it "back in the good ole days") you couldn't drag players off the floor, or out of games!  Players played with minor aches and pains and never whined!
Sports and the athletes of today care about nothing but the money, and to tell the truth without fantasy sports, and the chance to make a buck on the games, I probably wouldn't even watch anymore! VERY SAD!

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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2017, 09:25:17 PM »

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Everything is always about Lebron, and his legacy... in Lebron's mind. He could give a crap about the little kid who may see one game a year, getting to say, "I watched LaBron play last night."

As much as I resent what Durant did by going to the Warriors, I just can't root for Lebron in a series between the two teams.

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« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2017, 10:24:10 PM »

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I have always found it to be an absolute joke that these "best and most highly trained athletes(in their 20's and 30's) in the world" can't play 30 minutes of basketball three, or even four times a week without getting regular "rest" days! Please!
I believe a great percentage of working folks, in at least as physical, if not more so, jobs work five and even six days a week, eight, ten or twelve hours a day without regular "rest" days.  Many of those folks are in their 50's and 60's!  So let's call it for what it really is......a bunch of overpaid, highly pampered athletes, who feel nothing is too good for them!  Before salaries got totally out of control (or many call it "back in the good ole days") you couldn't drag players off the floor, or out of games!  Players played with minor aches and pains and never whined!
Sports and the athletes of today care about nothing but the money, and to tell the truth without fantasy sports, and the chance to make a buck on the games, I probably wouldn't even watch anymore! VERY SAD!

I'd love to hear a rational explanation for how the players are overpaid aside from essentially endorsing socialism.

This silly rhetoric cracks me up every time.

I also like the convenient ignoring of the fact NBA players do a heck of a lot more than play 30 minutes a few times a week. Practice, film, training, recovery, travel, etc.

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« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2017, 10:48:30 PM »

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This rest issue annoys me on several levels.

First, it simply doesn't make sense for any fan to be upset about it. Teams rest their stars for one reason only: to increase the odds of winning a championship. If sitting players once in a while does that, so be it. You could use the same "it isn't fair to the fan who bought a ticket" logic to say that players shouldn't rest in blowouts, or play less than 38mpg. And it's not the coaches who schedule 82 games, a zillion playoff games and multiple back-to-backs. The owners did that, for one reason alone (more on that below). And concurrently, coaches and GMs have gotten more sophisticated in understanding the importance of rest. It's the same reason that starting pitchers rarely throw complete games any more. You can't blame them, they are doing their best to pursue the ultimate goals in their professions.

Second, Silver's memo to the owners is the height of hypocrisy and is nothing more than grandstanding. He's grandstanding to the fans when he could just say "Look, stars miss games in March but the quality of play in May and June is higher. If you want one you can't have the other, so when coaches decide rest is needed, we need to respect that."

But he doesn't do that, it's hypocrisy to assert it has anything to do with the fans because, as SL noted above, it all boils down to the almighty dollar. Silver doesn't care whether a Sunday game in March is the epitome of high-level basketball. He cares about his $2 billion TV contract, which is driven by ad revenue during those games. That's why the season runs into the third week in June now, instead of the second week in May like it used to. In 1980 the Lakers won a ring by playing 16 playoff games. The 2008 Celtics played 26. You've extended the season by a month and in some cases 10 games, which are each far more grueling than any regular season game.

So now he sends this memo, and to whom? The owners. Because they are the ones with a financial stake in all of this. It has nothing to do with the quality of play and everything to do with money.

And sorry, Lebron, it has very little to do with you specifically as a player. What's changed isn't how important you are as a talent, compared to Timmy Duncan. What's changed is how many dollars the owners stand to lose when you sit out a nationally televised game, compared to when Pop sat his players in 2004 or whatever.

BB out.

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I have always found it to be an absolute joke that these "best and most highly trained athletes(in their 20's and 30's) in the world" can't play 30 minutes of basketball three, or even four times a week without getting regular "rest" days! Please!
I believe a great percentage of working folks, in at least as physical, if not more so, jobs work five and even six days a week, eight, ten or twelve hours a day without regular "rest" days.  Many of those folks are in their 50's and 60's!  So let's call it for what it really is......a bunch of overpaid, highly pampered athletes, who feel nothing is too good for them!  Before salaries got totally out of control (or many call it "back in the good ole days") you couldn't drag players off the floor, or out of games!  Players played with minor aches and pains and never whined!
Sports and the athletes of today care about nothing but the money, and to tell the truth without fantasy sports, and the chance to make a buck on the games, I probably wouldn't even watch anymore! VERY SAD!

I'd love to hear a rational explanation for how the players are overpaid aside from essentially endorsing socialism.

This silly rhetoric cracks me up every time.

I also like the convenient ignoring of the fact NBA players do a heck of a lot more than play 30 minutes a few times a week. Practice, film, training, recovery, travel, etc.

Exactly. Its a high level physical activity,  then add in practices, travel.. these things take a toll on your body. You can aee it after 4 games in 5 nights type of games.

Im dumbfounded how fans like these ignore what athletes go through. Heck it doesnt even matter if they dont do what military people does. im just a chef, but  i also get tired at what i do, and just because the construction guy does something harder than what i do doesnt give him the right to say i shouldnt be tired at all coz i dont do what he does. Certainly someone who does something less physical like say a clerk. But even me cannot say that the clerk shouldnt be tired and do not take a rest.

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Oftentimes people think what others do is easy, until they do it themselves, sometimes even at first try, sometimes when you do it long enough. When i switched career at the start i was watching our pastry instructor and saw what he was doing, i thought hey cool, thats easy. But when i do it myself for the first time, man its not as easy as it looks. Over time i learned to appreciate what he did in that first demo, how many techniques and knowledge went to that seemingly simple thing he did.

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I've heard Lebron feels that the Hack-a-Shaq rule was implemented because of him