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Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2017, 03:51:28 PM »

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Here's a projected minute distribution if we keep the current core in tact and add those 3 guys.  I'm assuming we play a traditional point guard, two wings, and a big for 48 minutes each then split the PF position into 24 minutes with a wing and 24 minutes with a big.  (Calling Yabu a "big" even though he's very much a wing/big mix)

PG (48 min available):  IT (34) / Rozier (14)
Wings (120 min available):  Avery (32) / Crowder (32) / Smart (30) / Jaylen (20) / Jackson (20)
Bigs (72 min available):  Horford (32) / Zizic (22) / Yabu (18)

That's only 10 rostered players listed there.  If we're bringing in a free agent or bringing back any of Olynyk, Amir, Jerebko, Gerald Green, or Zeller, then you've gotta cut into somebody's minutes above.

Looking at all of that, I'm a bit concerned over us not having enough minutes to fully develop all of our young players.  Because while I do like that rotation above (I think it would yield roughly equal wins to this season), that leaves us with a ton of cap space for a free agent or bringing somebody back, which I'd absolutely expect we do, which would cut into our younger guys' minutes.
This is what I've been saying for awhile.  Something has to give.  You can't develop young players when you don't play them.  Though in your rotation I would just eliminate Rozier and give those minutes to Smart which would allow additional minutes for Brown and Jackson.  That said there is no way that Zizic and Yabu should be playing 40 minutes a night and I don't like how much small ball you have the team set up to play (24 minutes a game of small ball is just way too much).

1.  You should check out the EDIT note on my original post.  I gave out 132 minutes at the wings, not 120, so even the minutes in that original distribution would have to be rolled back.  Which still speaks even more to our concerns of lack of available minutes.

2.  If you get rid of Rozier, then you're at 9 rotational players.  You can't get through a regular season with that.  If you don't play him, you might as well trade him... in which case you're bringing in somebody else and again you've got a minutes dilemma.  Brad is currently giving 12 Celtics at least 10 min per game.

3.  Re: Yabu and Zizic playing 40 minutes a night....  I think if you actually want to develop them, you have to give them that playing time.  But I think we'll probably sign or re-sign somebody for depth at the big position which would indeed cut into their minutes.  As for 24 minutes of small ball, I think that's pretty on par with what Brad is going to do whether you like it or not haha.  Crowder is gonna play some PF for sure (or Jerebko, depending on what happens in free agency).
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Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2017, 03:59:40 PM »

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Here's a projected minute distribution if we keep the current core in tact and add those 3 guys.  I'm assuming we play a traditional point guard, two wings, and a big for 48 minutes each then split the PF position into 24 minutes with a wing and 24 minutes with a big.  (Calling Yabu a "big" even though he's very much a wing/big mix)

PG (48 min available):  IT (34) / Rozier (14)
Wings (120 min available):  Avery (32) / Crowder (32) / Smart (30) / Jaylen (20) / Jackson (20)
Bigs (72 min available):  Horford (32) / Zizic (22) / Yabu (18)

That's only 10 rostered players listed there.  If we're bringing in a free agent or bringing back any of Olynyk, Amir, Jerebko, Gerald Green, or Zeller, then you've gotta cut into somebody's minutes above.

Looking at all of that, I'm a bit concerned over us not having enough minutes to fully develop all of our young players.  Because while I do like that rotation above (I think it would yield roughly equal wins to this season), that leaves us with a ton of cap space for a free agent or bringing somebody back, which I'd absolutely expect we do, which would cut into our younger guys' minutes.
This is what I've been saying for awhile.  Something has to give.  You can't develop young players when you don't play them.  Though in your rotation I would just eliminate Rozier and give those minutes to Smart which would allow additional minutes for Brown and Jackson.  That said there is no way that Zizic and Yabu should be playing 40 minutes a night and I don't like how much small ball you have the team set up to play (24 minutes a game of small ball is just way too much).
The flaw is that this is a theoretical scenario that will not happen.  If they have shed the salaries of Amir, Jerebko, Zeller, Green, and not re-signed Olynyk, it probably means that cap space went to sign a big name FA, and most likely a frontcourt player in that scenario (like Blake Griffin).  Zizic and Yabu will not be playing 40 minutes a game between them.

PG (48 min available):  IT (34) / Rozier (14)
Wings (120 min available):  Avery (32) / Crowder (32) / Smart (30) / Jaylen (20) / Jackson (20)
Bigs (72 min available):  Horford (32) / Griffin (32) / Zizic (5) / Yabu (3)

Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2017, 04:57:23 PM »

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Tatum is a all around better player and a better defender.

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I have watched him for 3 years and I would disagree with that.

Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2017, 05:11:37 PM »

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Here's a projected minute distribution if we keep the current core in tact and add those 3 guys.  I'm assuming we play a traditional point guard, two wings, and a big for 48 minutes each then split the PF position into 24 minutes with a wing and 24 minutes with a big.  (Calling Yabu a "big" even though he's very much a wing/big mix)

PG (48 min available):  IT (34) / Rozier (14)
Wings (120 min available):  Avery (32) / Crowder (32) / Smart (30) / Jaylen (20) / Jackson (20)
Bigs (72 min available):  Horford (32) / Zizic (22) / Yabu (18)

That's only 10 rostered players listed there.  If we're bringing in a free agent or bringing back any of Olynyk, Amir, Jerebko, Gerald Green, or Zeller, then you've gotta cut into somebody's minutes above.

Looking at all of that, I'm a bit concerned over us not having enough minutes to fully develop all of our young players.  Because while I do like that rotation above (I think it would yield roughly equal wins to this season), that leaves us with a ton of cap space for a free agent or bringing somebody back, which I'd absolutely expect we do, which would cut into our younger guys' minutes.
This is what I've been saying for awhile.  Something has to give.  You can't develop young players when you don't play them.  Though in your rotation I would just eliminate Rozier and give those minutes to Smart which would allow additional minutes for Brown and Jackson.  That said there is no way that Zizic and Yabu should be playing 40 minutes a night and I don't like how much small ball you have the team set up to play (24 minutes a game of small ball is just way too much).

1.  You should check out the EDIT note on my original post.  I gave out 132 minutes at the wings, not 120, so even the minutes in that original distribution would have to be rolled back.  Which still speaks even more to our concerns of lack of available minutes.

2.  If you get rid of Rozier, then you're at 9 rotational players.  You can't get through a regular season with that.  If you don't play him, you might as well trade him... in which case you're bringing in somebody else and again you've got a minutes dilemma.  Brad is currently giving 12 Celtics at least 10 min per game.

3.  Re: Yabu and Zizic playing 40 minutes a night....  I think if you actually want to develop them, you have to give them that playing time.  But I think we'll probably sign or re-sign somebody for depth at the big position which would indeed cut into their minutes.  As for 24 minutes of small ball, I think that's pretty on par with what Brad is going to do whether you like it or not haha.  Crowder is gonna play some PF for sure (or Jerebko, depending on what happens in free agency).
Well yeah there will be foul trouble, injuries, rest days, etc., but there is nothing wrong with having a 9 man rotation (though 10 is more optimal, you just don't have enough big guys in the rotation - Rozier should not be playing 14 mpg next year, he just isn't good enough). 
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Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2017, 05:38:26 PM »

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Tatum is a all around better player and a better defender.

Are you serious?

Check him out during the tourney.

I have watched him for 3 years and I would disagree with that.

Yes, there are reasons why one would want Tatum over Jackson. Defense is not one. Jackson is the best all around/versatile defender of this draft..if not top 2-3

Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2017, 05:41:11 PM »

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Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2017, 12:47:21 AM »

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For all the positives about Zizic and Yabu in other leagues, they still have to make a massive jump in standard. Especially Yabu.

Zeller, JJ and KO can only make way if someone significant is signed in FA. Of this three only KO really strikes me as a handy player in a big playoff series. I worry though that he seems to go missing at times and his consistency isn't what it should be.

I fancy Zizic to be the player who could find his feet quickly at the NBA level. I don't see enough college basketball to comment on the draft picks.

Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2017, 12:55:22 AM »

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Tatum is a all around better player and a better defender.

Are you serious?

Check him out during the tourney.
I watched every second Tatum played in the tourney and this opinion is absurd.
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Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2017, 01:28:11 AM »

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Nope.  I'd go in hard after Blake Griffin this summer.  Maybe swing a trade for Paul George to entice him.

A lineup of
1. IT
2. Paul George
3. Crowder
4. Griffin
5. Horford

Me likes.

Bench: Brown, Smart, Olynyk, Zizic, Yabu, bench FA veteran.

We are going to need to give up assets to get George, I'm going to guess at minimum Bradley + a Brooklyn pic + salary filler.

Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2017, 09:08:03 PM »

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Adding Zizic and Yabu will likely have little impact on the next season, so retaining Johnson is probably a good idea while other players are developing. 

Jackson will definitely be able to contribute quality minutes in the later half of the season (think Brown's impact but not as early in the season). 

I think the current members improving will be the best improvements.  I do feel comfortable allowing the team via hard work and sweat to improve before we spend the dough. 

Adding a power forward rotation player like JyMichal Green or Patrick Patterson would be good options as free agents adding a competitive boost.  Don't think we need to pay big for a star just yet. 

We still have another Nets' pick to consider for next year's draft.

Re: Improvements: adding just Zizic, Yabu, Josh Jackson?
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2017, 09:00:45 AM »

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Tatum is a all around better player and a better defender.

Are you serious?

Check him out during the tourney.
I watched every second Tatum played in the tourney and this opinion is absurd.

In the NBA game I believe Tatum will be the better player. Many of the former players on TV have said the the same thing. His all around game is better.