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Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2017, 01:34:47 PM »

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Knicks more likely to trade Carmelo than teade Porzingas. Zinger is in NY for at least 6 more years.

Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2017, 01:57:56 PM »

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Knicks more likely to trade Carmelo than teade Porzingas. Zinger is in NY for at least 6 more years.

More likely to trade Spike Lee too
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Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2017, 02:41:56 PM »

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Knicks more likely to trade Carmelo than teade Porzingas. Zinger is in NY for at least 6 more years.

They just traded for Rose and Noah, thinking that would make them contenders.  I have a great deal of faith in the Knicks ability to do stupid things.

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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2017, 03:04:12 PM »

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Knicks more likely to trade Carmelo than teade Porzingas. Zinger is in NY for at least 6 more years.

They just traded for Rose and Noah, thinking that would make them contenders.  I have a great deal of faith in the Knicks ability to do stupid things.

Pretty sure Noah was a FA signing.

In any event, Joakim will be the proud recipient of a check for USD20,000,000 in the year 2020. OUCH - your point is made - and that will make waiting for Gerald Wallace's deal to expire feel like a 20 second timeout.

Still seething we couldn't nab O'Quinn at the deadline..
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Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2017, 11:08:52 PM »

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Knicks more likely to trade Carmelo than teade Porzingas. Zinger is in NY for at least 6 more years.
Not only are they more likely to trade Carmelo, they actively want to do so, if I understand right. But the only reason the thought of getting Porzingins came into my mind is because Melo seems to like living in NY and I think his wife loves NY and he has a no trade clause he doesn't want to waive. If that is indeed the case, the Knicks are stuck and the Celtics could, via a trade like I proposed, give the Knicks the ability to at least contend while Melo runs out the clock on this contract.

I don't know if it's likely but it's the only reason I think, maybe, the Knicks might ever do a deal involving the Unicorn.

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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2017, 11:10:26 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2017, 11:11:40 PM »

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If only Porzingis didnt pull out of the 2014 draft, we might've had him instead of James Young. There were a lot of reports then that said Danny liked him at 17 (where he was projected)

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« Reply #22 on: March 14, 2017, 09:14:09 PM »

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This is old, I know.

But Porzingis has been frustrated lately (understandably).

I don't think he leaves but at this point I wouldn't call him untouchable.

Maybe in the Summer of 2018 if the Knicks suck next season as well?

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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2017, 09:35:49 PM »

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What about packaging Porzingis and Melo this summer for the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets?

Let's say something like Porzingis, Melo, and the 2017 New York pick (around 6-8) for Crowder, Rozier, Yab, the 2017 Brooklyn pick (probably have to be number one or two overall), and the Memphis pick. We'd have to agree to this deal at the draft, pick for each other, then make the trade when we have cap space this summer, but it's certainly doable.

That's a pretty fair deal for both sides I think. It gives the Knicks a good "reset" with a good core moving forward, and it gives us an upgrade this year while not compromising the future of our team. I really like Porzingis' fit with this current group, and he'd fit well with our young core, too. That'd give us the following lineup:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: AB, Monk (picked with the New York pick - love his potential fit between Smart and Brown)
SF: Melo, Brown
PF: Porzingis, KO or JJ (resigned)
C: Horford, Zizic

That's a championship caliber roster right there, and Melo's contract timeline works perfectly for Brown becoming a starter. Also that young core of Smart, Monk, Brown, Porzingis, and Zizic (not to mention the 2018 Brooklyn pick) is probably the best young core in the NBA and certainly challenges the other young cores in Minny, Philly, and LA.

I think Phil would ultimately really consider this deal for two reasons: 1) this would give him an ideal starting point for a reset with a franchise cornerstone with the first or second pick in the draft, and 2) this is probably a trade that Melo agrees to, which gets him out of New York and away from Phil.

Would you do it?

EDIT: They might want Zizic over Yab to make it work, but I'd probably still do that.
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Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2017, 09:58:50 PM »

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If only Porzingis didnt pull out of the 2014 draft, we might've had him instead of James Young. There were a lot of reports then that said Danny liked him at 17 (where he was projected)

I know. Still rue that day he pulled out. I would have taken him with the 6th pick if he'd stayed in.

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2017, 09:58:51 PM »

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What about packaging Porzingis and Melo this summer for the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets?

Let's say something like Porzingis, Melo, and the 2017 New York pick (around 6-8) for Crowder, Rozier, Yab, the 2017 Brooklyn pick (probably have to be number one or two overall), and the Memphis pick. We'd have to agree to this deal at the draft, pick for each other, then make the trade when we have cap space this summer, but it's certainly doable.

That's a pretty fair deal for both sides I think. It gives the Knicks a good "reset" with a good core moving forward, and it gives us an upgrade this year while not compromising the future of our team. I really like Porzingis' fit with this current group, and he'd fit well with our young core, too. That'd give us the following lineup:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: AB, Monk (picked with the New York pick - love his potential fit between Smart and Brown)
SF: Melo, Brown
PF: Porzingis, KO or JJ (resigned)
C: Horford, Zizic

That's a championship caliber roster right there, and Melo's contract timeline works perfectly for Brown becoming a starter. Also that young core of Smart, Monk, Brown, Porzingis, and Zizic (not to mention the 2018 Brooklyn pick) is probably the best young core in the NBA and certainly challenges the other young cores in Minny, Philly, and LA.

I think Phil would ultimately really consider this deal for two reasons: 1) this would give him an ideal starting point for a reset with a franchise cornerstone with the first or second pick in the draft, and 2) this is probably a trade that Melo agrees to, which gets him out of New York and away from Phil.

Would you do it?

EDIT: They might want Zizic over Yab to make it work, but I'd probably still do that.
That's not at all a fair deal for the Knicks.  The Knicks wouldn't trade Porzingis straight up for the Brooklyn pick.  Why in the world would you think they'd have to include their own 2017 pick to make it a fair deal?  The Knicks reset starts around Porzingis and whoever they draft with their own pick.  Trading both of those for the Brooklyn pick would put them in a significantly worse rebuild position.   

Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2017, 10:36:29 PM »

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Why would the Knicks trade porzingas, and why would we want Melo?

Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2017, 10:55:50 PM »

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What about packaging Porzingis and Melo this summer for the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets?

Let's say something like Porzingis, Melo, and the 2017 New York pick (around 6-8) for Crowder, Rozier, Yab, the 2017 Brooklyn pick (probably have to be number one or two overall), and the Memphis pick. We'd have to agree to this deal at the draft, pick for each other, then make the trade when we have cap space this summer, but it's certainly doable.

That's a pretty fair deal for both sides I think. It gives the Knicks a good "reset" with a good core moving forward, and it gives us an upgrade this year while not compromising the future of our team. I really like Porzingis' fit with this current group, and he'd fit well with our young core, too. That'd give us the following lineup:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: AB, Monk (picked with the New York pick - love his potential fit between Smart and Brown)
SF: Melo, Brown
PF: Porzingis, KO or JJ (resigned)
C: Horford, Zizic

That's a championship caliber roster right there, and Melo's contract timeline works perfectly for Brown becoming a starter. Also that young core of Smart, Monk, Brown, Porzingis, and Zizic (not to mention the 2018 Brooklyn pick) is probably the best young core in the NBA and certainly challenges the other young cores in Minny, Philly, and LA.

I think Phil would ultimately really consider this deal for two reasons: 1) this would give him an ideal starting point for a reset with a franchise cornerstone with the first or second pick in the draft, and 2) this is probably a trade that Melo agrees to, which gets him out of New York and away from Phil.

Would you do it?

EDIT: They might want Zizic over Yab to make it work, but I'd probably still do that.
That's not at all a fair deal for the Knicks.  The Knicks wouldn't trade Porzingis straight up for the Brooklyn pick.  Why in the world would you think they'd have to include their own 2017 pick to make it a fair deal?  The Knicks reset starts around Porzingis and whoever they draft with their own pick.  Trading both of those for the Brooklyn pick would put them in a significantly worse rebuild position.

The first pick in the draft, which I assumed the pick would pretty much have to be, is certainly just as valuable if not more than Porzingis. Draft picks like that always get an exaggerated value around the draft, because the drafts and top prospects are always overly hyped.

The trade breakdown goes like this:

Porzingis for the Brooklyn pick and Crowder = certainly fair, especially with as high as Phil reportedly is on Crowder.

Melo and their 2017 pick for the Memphis pick, Rozier, and Zizic (who many suggest would be a top-10 pick this year) = I think that's pretty fair, too, especially with as low as Melo's value is. You might have to include the Clippers pick, too, but that shouldn't be a deal breaker.

I think a Crowder, Rozier, Zizic, Markelle Fultz/Lonzo Ball, and Memphis pick young core is just as good of a starting core as Porzingis and Malik Monk. And going this trade route gives them two more years of the franchise star (Fultz) over Porzingis, along with several more long-term prospects to start over with. This also allows them to properly tank and rebuild the next several years instead of having Melo keep them just bad enough to be out of the playoffs, while not good enough to get a top pick.
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Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2017, 11:42:34 PM »

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What about packaging Porzingis and Melo this summer for the Brooklyn pick, Crowder, and other assets?

Let's say something like Porzingis, Melo, and the 2017 New York pick (around 6-8) for Crowder, Rozier, Yab, the 2017 Brooklyn pick (probably have to be number one or two overall), and the Memphis pick. We'd have to agree to this deal at the draft, pick for each other, then make the trade when we have cap space this summer, but it's certainly doable.

That's a pretty fair deal for both sides I think. It gives the Knicks a good "reset" with a good core moving forward, and it gives us an upgrade this year while not compromising the future of our team. I really like Porzingis' fit with this current group, and he'd fit well with our young core, too. That'd give us the following lineup:

PG: IT, Smart
SG: AB, Monk (picked with the New York pick - love his potential fit between Smart and Brown)
SF: Melo, Brown
PF: Porzingis, KO or JJ (resigned)
C: Horford, Zizic

That's a championship caliber roster right there, and Melo's contract timeline works perfectly for Brown becoming a starter. Also that young core of Smart, Monk, Brown, Porzingis, and Zizic (not to mention the 2018 Brooklyn pick) is probably the best young core in the NBA and certainly challenges the other young cores in Minny, Philly, and LA.

I think Phil would ultimately really consider this deal for two reasons: 1) this would give him an ideal starting point for a reset with a franchise cornerstone with the first or second pick in the draft, and 2) this is probably a trade that Melo agrees to, which gets him out of New York and away from Phil.

Would you do it?

EDIT: They might want Zizic over Yab to make it work, but I'd probably still do that.
That's not at all a fair deal for the Knicks.  The Knicks wouldn't trade Porzingis straight up for the Brooklyn pick.  Why in the world would you think they'd have to include their own 2017 pick to make it a fair deal?  The Knicks reset starts around Porzingis and whoever they draft with their own pick.  Trading both of those for the Brooklyn pick would put them in a significantly worse rebuild position.

The first pick in the draft, which I assumed the pick would pretty much have to be, is certainly just as valuable if not more than Porzingis. Draft picks like that always get an exaggerated value around the draft, because the drafts and top prospects are always overly hyped.

The trade breakdown goes like this:

Porzingis for the Brooklyn pick and Crowder = certainly fair, especially with as high as Phil reportedly is on Crowder.

Melo and their 2017 pick for the Memphis pick, Rozier, and Zizic (who many suggest would be a top-10 pick this year) = I think that's pretty fair, too, especially with as low as Melo's value is. You might have to include the Clippers pick, too, but that shouldn't be a deal breaker.

I think a Crowder, Rozier, Zizic, Markelle Fultz/Lonzo Ball, and Memphis pick young core is just as good of a starting core as Porzingis and Malik Monk. And going this trade route gives them two more years of the franchise star (Fultz) over Porzingis, along with several more long-term prospects to start over with. This also allows them to properly tank and rebuild the next several years instead of having Melo keep them just bad enough to be out of the playoffs, while not good enough to get a top pick.
Porzingis has already proven himself to be a good, young NBA player with star potential.  No one in this draft has proven anything.  Lots of good potential in this draft but I don't see a sure fire franchise star.  Fultz could end up being Mudiay with knee issues. 

As for the 2nd part of the trade, Rozier has little value and a 2 year out protected pick doesn't have much value either.  I wouldn't take Zizic top 10 in this draft.  There is not a big demand for old school centers.  Even if Zizic and the 2019 Memphis pick would get you the Knicks 2017 pick which I doubt, they'd be trading Melo for Rozier. 

If I'm the Knicks and want to go into rebuild mode, I'd try to trade Melo to the Bulls for their 2017 1st (currently 14th).  Chicago was Melo's 2nd choice a couple years ago so he may waive his no trade clause for them.  Less sure that he do so for us.  Assuming that the Bulls want to keep Butler, they are going to need make a move to add established talent and there's not much realistically available in free agency. 

Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2017, 05:32:29 AM »

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Gotta agree, there's no way the Knicks are trading their draft pick if they trade Melo. The point of trading Melo would be to go for the complete rebuild through the draft.