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Target Porzingis this Summer?
« on: March 07, 2017, 08:03:54 PM »

Offline Big333223

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I made a thread like this a few weeks ago with a trade everyone hated so without getting into too many specifics what would everyone think about a deal this summer for Porzingis built around IT and Horford?

I'm sure the Knicks would be reluctant to give up the Unicorn but they're stuck with Carmelo and bringing in IT and Al could make them playoff contenders right away and match with his timeline better.

Obviously this means the Celtics take a step back in the short term but there are some obvious roster balance questions that are taken care of and Porzingis still projects to be the best player of the 3, IMO. I also think a team of Smart, Bradley, and Fultz/Ball as guards, Crowder, Brown, and Olynyk as forwards, and Porzingis and Zizic as centers could make the playoffs in the East.

Would you be willing to see the Celtics take a step back if it meant answering some of the roster/financial questions and adding a piece like Porzingis? What might the Celtics have to get to get him, if at all?

Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 08:09:14 PM »

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Pretty confident that the Knicks trading Porzingis is a non-starter. The one and only thing Jackson did correctly as GM was drafting him. Untouchable. Nice try though.

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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2017, 08:10:05 PM »

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Porzingis is still on a rookie scale contract and will be under the team's control for the next few years. It'd be beyond bad management to give up one of the league's best young big men to appease Carmelo's ego. That's worthy of getting fired.

NY should bring in Melo, be upfront with him and then work with him to find a suitable trade destination. That's far more likely than them trading KP.
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2017, 08:13:04 PM »

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Because teams always trade their best player to a divisional rival, no way NYC does this and you have to have magical thinking to think they would even consider this move.   Say "hi" to your unicorn!

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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2017, 08:34:02 PM »

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Would rather target Kawhi Leonard.

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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2017, 08:56:12 PM »

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Sorry Big, gotta agree with the rest. There is no way NYK gives up Porzingas for anyone except maybe Anthony Davis. Or Lebron. Simply isn't happening.

And as for trading away our two stars, well good luck ever signing another max level free agent or hoping a star would call to be traded to Boston ever again. The front office finds a star, signs a max free agent and in one year trades them both after they help to build the foundation to something bigger and you dump them in the name of building with early 20-somethings. Yeah, stars and their free agents won't look favorably towards that. It would really hurt the team overall.
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Obviously Boston is also taking on Noah in this scenario as well which does at least make it not totally laughable
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Re: Target Porzingis this Summer?
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2017, 06:50:05 AM »

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I love this place. The last thread I made, posing a trade, everyone said I was crazy and it would be too much to give up for Porzingis. This time, everyone thinks Porzingis is untouchable. Both things can be true, I guess.

Given New York's situation, I think he'd be a guy having a conversation about, anyway.

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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2017, 06:54:43 AM »

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I'd rather not target untouchables. It's a waste of time no matter how much sense it may make.


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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2017, 07:08:45 AM »

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Porzingis is still on a rookie scale contract and will be under the team's control for the next few years. It'd be beyond bad management to give up one of the league's best young big men to appease Carmelo's ego. That's worthy of getting fired.

NY should bring in Melo, be upfront with him and then work with him to find a suitable trade destination. That's far more likely than them trading KP.
Yes, and even if Porzingis wasn't a superstar in the making, it would be an unwise move.  Rookie scale contracts are like gold.  To also suggest Jackson would trade away a young superstar-in-the-making is just not reasonable.

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2017, 08:23:40 AM »

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I obviously don't watch many Knick games, and the Zinger is shooting better and slightly more often, but all of his other stats are worse than his rookie year (on a per minute basis).  Would that give you concern going forward if you were the Knicks?  I don't know the answer to that, but maybe he is who is always going to be right now, which is a very good player, but very far from elite/superstar/franchise player status.
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« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2017, 10:48:54 AM »

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I obviously don't watch many Knick games, and the Zinger is shooting better and slightly more often, but all of his other stats are worse than his rookie year (on a per minute basis).  Would that give you concern going forward if you were the Knicks?  I don't know the answer to that, but maybe he is who is always going to be right now, which is a very good player, but very far from elite/superstar/franchise player status.
He's 21 and in his second season, so it's hard for me to think he'll stop improving but he certainly wouldn't be the first NBA player to plateau after a big NBA entrance.

I've also heard from somewhere (I don't remember when) that playing alongside Melo and Rose (two ballstoppers) has really hindered Porzingis from showcasing his playmaking ability. I got the sense he'd be better suited to an offense like the Celtics' where the ball moves around a lot more and he was allowed to create a little.

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2017, 12:09:33 PM »

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If you really want Porzingis, you'd have to talk BKN picks.

Fultz or Ball for 2 years of Porzingis would seemingly help both teams, even though that type of trade pretty much never happens.
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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2017, 12:30:43 PM »

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If you really want Porzingis, you'd have to talk BKN picks.

Fultz or Ball for 2 years of Porzingis would seemingly help both teams, even though that type of trade pretty much never happens.
I disagree. While I agree that Porzingis would be very expensive to get (if gettable at all), the only reason the Knicks would ever do it would be to wring everything they can out of the last years of Carmelo. That means players who can play now. If they are willing to wait around for a Brooklyn pick to be great, they'd just keep Porzingis.

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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2017, 01:09:32 PM »

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If you really want Porzingis, you'd have to talk BKN picks.

Fultz or Ball for 2 years of Porzingis would seemingly help both teams, even though that type of trade pretty much never happens.
I disagree. While I agree that Porzingis would be very expensive to get (if gettable at all), the only reason the Knicks would ever do it would be to wring everything they can out of the last years of Carmelo. That means players who can play now. If they are willing to wait around for a Brooklyn pick to be great, they'd just keep Porzingis.

Could be. I also think they need a PG and could make a lot of $$ off the excitement of Fultz or Ball in NYC. Phil Jackson sounds like he's ready to get rid of Carmelo more than try to make a run with him, because he knows he's not that good.
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