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4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
« on: March 03, 2017, 09:52:38 AM »

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Thought this was interesting considering the hype around it at the time.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18809989/kevin-pelton-weekly-mailbag-featuring-nba-buyouts

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"Have the details of the actual trade package Boston proposed to Charlotte ever been revealed? What were the four first-round picks and where did they land? Were the Brooklyn picks involved?" - Emmanuel Mpagi

At the time, Zach Lowe reported that the package included two 2015 picks: the Celtics' No. 16 pick, used to draft Terry Rozier, and one Boston was to acquire from the Atlanta Hawks (No. 15, eventually traded to the Washington Wizards so they could draft Kelly Oubre). Lowe also reported it included one of the Nets' picks. I've since clarified that it would have been the 2016 pick, which landed No. 3 and was used to draft Jaylen Brown, not the swap rights Boston holds this year or Brooklyn's 2018 pick.

Lastly, Lowe reported the Charlotte Hornets could "probably" have gotten their choice of a protected first-round pick from the Minnesota Timberwolves (which did not convey last season and converted instead to a 2016 second-round pick used to take Rade Zagorac and a 2017 second-round pick) or the protected first-round pick from the Memphis Grizzlies that won't convey until 2019 at the earliest.

I haven't yet worked out exactly how to depreciate future picks, but if you go by my trade value chart and use the Minnesota second-round picks -- assuming this year's falls at No. 39, a little worse than it would be if the season ended today -- here's how this deal rates.

Charlotte sends:
2015 No. 9: 2,120 points

Boston sends:
2015 No. 15: 1,630 points
2015 No. 16: 1,580 points
2016 No. 3: 2,890 points
2017 No. 35: 600 points
2018 No. 39: 500 points
Total: 7,200 points

To reiterate, this is the most cynical view possible of Charlotte's decision. It wasn't clear at the time the 2016 Nets pick would be so valuable, since the team had not yet bought out Deron Williams, and future picks surely are somewhat discounted in value. And both teams were correct to believe the No. 9 pick was unusually valuable in 2015 because of the depth of the draft. (So far, however, No. 11 pick Myles Turner looks like a better prospect than either Hornets pick Frank Kaminsky III or Celtics target Justise Winslow.)

Still, based on typical pick values, merely trading the 15th and 16th picks for the ninth pick would have been overpaying -- as most trades up in the draft are. The additional picks would have made this an incredibly lopsided trade.

I knew at the time we would have paid a lot for that 9th pick down the road. Glad it never happened. Glad Charlotte was that dumb  ;D
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Re: 4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2017, 10:09:26 AM »

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TP for the post.

I am also glad it didn't happen.

I think Jaylen is already better than Justise...am I crazy?

Re: 4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2017, 10:10:01 AM »

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I'll believe the rumors when Danny confirms it.

Re: 4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
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If true, what a disaster of a trade that would've been. 

These boards would going insane.


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Re: 4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2017, 10:21:19 AM »

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I'll believe the rumors when Danny confirms it.

You think Danny would ever confirm something like that?  If true, its a horrible look for him.


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Re: 4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2017, 10:21:55 AM »

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No way Ainge will give unprotected unknown 1st pick.
At the least he would have made top 3 protected, like all the picks are dealt nowadays (at least since Billy King incident).

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2017, 10:22:11 AM »

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Re: 4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2017, 10:23:27 AM »

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edit : sorry double post

Re: 4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2017, 10:42:50 AM »

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Zach Lowe confirmed it? Sure. Then it must be true. (sarcasm)

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2017, 10:48:33 AM »

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If true, what a disaster of a trade that would've been. 

These boards would going insane.

Maybe thats why we haven't seen any blockbuster trades.  Teams are looking for that big over pay and Danny is not desperate to make a move anymore.

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2017, 10:55:41 AM »

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I'll believe the rumors when Danny confirms it.
Danny will never confirm it, but he did say he offered to much and was glad the trade was turned down.  Additionally, Danny never disputed that rumor or that a Brooklyn pick was included.  It is likely he would have disputed the rumor if so.  That is as close to confirmation as you will ever get.
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Re: 4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2017, 10:57:11 AM »

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TP for the post.

I am also glad it didn't happen.

I think Jaylen is already better than Justise...am I crazy?

Before Jae really came into himself starting in the 2015-16 season I thought Winslow was our answer at the SF spot. I also would have taken Stanley Johnson  :-\
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Re: 4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2017, 10:57:24 AM »

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I'll believe the rumors when Danny confirms it.
Danny will never confirm it, but he did say he offered to much and was glad the trade was turned down.  Additionally, Danny never disputed that rumor or that a Brooklyn pick was included.  It is likely he would have disputed the rumor if so.  That is as close to confirmation as you will ever get.

Stretch.

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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2017, 11:03:10 AM »

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Not buying this for a minute.
Danny would put heavy protections on unprotected picks.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

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Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: 4 #1 picks to Charlotte (Details Uncovered) from 2015
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Who cares if it's true or not, why is anyone still holding on to this and what is gained if it is true? Man, this isn't beating a dead horse, this is like beating a dead unicorn!
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