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Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2017, 08:02:36 AM »

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I don't know why Philly wouldn't do it unless they are just being difficult. Bradley and whatever PG they choose this draft would be a great pairing with Simmons and Embiid (hopefully they are healthy). I understand this is not an ideal circumstance for AB, but they will need to eventually spend money anyway (and just traded away Noel who was due a big payday).

Avery's veteran leadership and All-NBA level defense would be fantastic for that Philly team and he is still young. We would only be trading him because we can't afford the contracts of IT, Smart, and him, not because Saric is better.

Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2017, 08:12:33 AM »

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What a difference a few months makes on this board?  Early this year, Saric was a C Level prospect at best, now people would give up Bradley in an instant for him.
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Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2017, 08:23:49 AM »

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My take on Šarić's contract.

2016-17         2017-18             2018-19              2019-20
$2,318,280     $2,422,560       $2,526,840      $3,481,986

Next 3 years he will earn about 8.5 mil$.
Good starters get about 15-17 mil $ per year in the current open market. Solid backups get about 8-12 mil$.
http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/6/30/12052290/nba-free-agent-signings-tracker-2016-rumors

This year Šarić is performing a bit better than say Jerebko and his 5 mil$. Let's say Šarić is worth 7/8 mil$ this year. It would mean that he is outperforming his contract by about 5 mil$ this year. A nice boost, although not that tangible ATM for the low payroll team that 76ers are now. Using the same process, pun intended, for the 17/18 season, Šarić will earn 2,4 mil$. Let's assume he will improve his game, sophomores usually do, to a step below a fringe starter level (~40-30 best players at his position), IMO he should outperform his deal for about 10 mil$ that year. Looking further down the road at his 3rd year, 25 y/o, relatively safe to imagine he will be even better as a player, outperforming his deal even more by 12 mil$.
By this account, he will outperform his payroll by ~30$ during this and next 2 years. Not counting in the last year of his contract (probably the most economically attractive one) I agree that this is speculative, but a reasonable projection. Of course, the cap number is the factor that helps to determine the market and we have only projections at this point, 102 and 107 mil$ without 19-20 season projection. Relatively stable.

Avery Bradley will get 8,8 mil$ next year but is worth about 20 mil$ to me, if he is healthy. That's about 12 mil net+. But after next season, unlike Šarić, he will look for a payday, rightfully so. He will get it somewhere. Maybe here, maybe someplace else. But I am confident he will sign in 18/20 mil$ range if injuries avoid him. If we are planning (we are) on being contenders with a couple of Max players within the next 16 months, we will need cheap deals to keep the whole thing sustainable. Crowder and Rookie deals, those can save us. If Crowder gets moved in a deal for a star, I'm not wishing it, than in a vacuum, the Šarić swap would look as a very reasonable thing to do.
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Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2017, 08:36:25 AM »

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What a difference a few months makes on this board?  Early this year, Saric was a C Level prospect at best, now people would give up Bradley in an instant for him.

Just wait. When Okafor has like two good defensive plays, they will trade AB for him.  :laugh:

Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2017, 09:00:01 AM »

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I'm really hoping these trade suggestions start to go away now that Bradley is back. It always happens to the player out injured.. "oh we're doing well without him therefore he isn't needed anymore", so short sighted.
What Bradley did last night to Irving, not even Smart can do that!

Bradley is worth far more to us than Saric. Bradley is kryptonite for the NBAs elite guards. It's been obvious (to me at least) that the only way guys like Bradley or Crowder leave the Cs is if a legit superstar is coming back the other way. Otherwise we are just continuing to build internally, testing FA and continuing to hunt down Cleveland
Id still trade him for Saric straight up. Although Saric, like Jimmy Butler, is one of my binkies.

Saric has 3 years left on his rookie deal. He plays a position of need, and like Smart he makes a ton of winning plays.

Plus hes a good passer which Brad loves in a big man.

Also hes young enough that he fits right in with the Brown/Smart/'17/'18 core timeline, while also being able to probably start for the current team and make a positive impact.

I just dont see us keeping Bradley Smart Thomas long term.

Thomas is gonna get 30 mil. I bet Smart gets close to 20 and Bradley should be around 25.

No way he starts for us right now. I understand people don't rate Amir but Horford needs a guy next to him who can take the Cs for a large chunk of the game.

Bradley is our #2 scorer and our best man to man defender. I see no reason why we can't keep all 3 of them long term. Let's at least see how well they do in the playoffs first. Then see if we land a big FA. If we don't then it's absolutely workable under the cap.

I'm sure Saric continues to improve as he gets older but imo so will Bradley. I still don''t think he's done evolving as a player

Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2017, 09:06:12 AM »

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1000% no.   

AB is the heart and soul of a very solid Celtics team.    Look at the league these days.  Never had there been so many elite pg's.   Can't ascend anywhere without going thru a Kyrie, Curry, Westbrook, Lowry, Wall type killer. 

No one is even close to AB with ability to defend small/quicks.  I love smart, but he's more of a wing specialist, while AB time and time again proves his worth against the best of the best. 

I just don't get the apathy towards competing around here.  Every idea I see proposed is a 'let's punt in first down' kind of move.   

We already outsourced the tank.    Appreciate what you have!   What Ainge is doing, this incremental improvement plan, is fairly unprecedented.    AB is the core of that, the guy setting the example for Smart, Brown and whomever BK drafts for us next.   

Absolutely cannnot overlook the human element of team building.  Video game trades don't work in real life.

Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2017, 09:08:56 AM »

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We should re-sign Avery. Elite defender and shooter. 

We should draft Jackson. He will be a much better pro than Saric, and could be our starting power forward by the end of next season. Would be a great pairing with Al. Rebounds, can switch on defense, great passer.

When we need to go bigger, put Zizic in lineup.

Brad will have a very dynamic team where guys can switch, he can go big or small depending on the situation.

Easy Peasy.

Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2017, 09:25:34 AM »

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Those questioning Saric couldn't have been watching him much, especially since they traded Ilyasova, giving Saric big minutes.  Since that trade Saric has been averaging close to 20/10/5, and he along with Embid, Simmons, and another top pick this year, give 6'ers a great future....IMO, probably much better than our future core!  Along with Pels and Lakers, they'll be one of our future nemesis, besides the already dominant Warriors, Spurs, and Cavs.
Would quickly do the AB for Saric trade, but 6'ers laugh at that one!

Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2017, 09:30:56 AM »

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Saric must return to his home planet of Vulcan this summer

Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2017, 09:45:16 AM »

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Just to follow up on my last post...I love AB!  A really good talent with great heart, but like IT, and even Jae Crowder to some extent, UNDERSIZED!  In the NBA, you need great talent WITH great size at your position.  It's why LeBron is so good.  The quickness of a much smaller player in that body, with his talent is what makes him so unstopable!  MJ at 6'6" for a SG.  Shaq, Magic, and Bird all had great size to go with their great talent!  AB, IT, not so much, and it's hard to build a great team when you're already starting with a disadvantage.  Now Saric, at 6'10" for a small forward(although he can play PF too) is a huge advantage......Brandon Ingram is another, especially when he adds some muscle.
It's a reason that I think Marcus and Jaylen are really our TRUE core of the future, as MS at PG, and Jaylen at SG would both have good size for their positions, and be a good cornerstone to build the future around.

Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2017, 09:55:34 AM »

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Those questioning Saric couldn't have been watching him much, especially since they traded Ilyasova, giving Saric big minutes.  Since that trade Saric has been averaging close to 20/10/5, and he along with Embid, Simmons, and another top pick this year, give 6'ers a great future....IMO, probably much better than our future core!  Along with Pels and Lakers, they'll be one of our future nemesis, besides the already dominant Warriors, Spurs, and Cavs.
Would quickly do the AB for Saric trade, but 6'ers laugh at that one!

That's quite a prection.   6ers, Pels and Lakers?   

To me, the 6ers look just like the Blazers of old.  Remember how unstoppable they were going to be once Roy, Aldridge & Oden developed?   Folks had them pegged for a ten year dynasty. 

But you can't win titles with a starting 5 of rookie deals, and it's never a sure thing to get those guys to gel and all get paid and have everything fall in your favor.   That's why a GM's job is so much more than just drafting.   I mean, look at Ainge.   He's not really good at scouting /drafting teenagers but because of everything else he does excel at, he's considered one of the games best.   

One question though.   When do you predict Philly turns the corner and sneaks into the playoffs?   They still feel at least 2-3 years away from that.    Good prospects, especially the kid you need with competitive drives, usually don't have that kind of patience.   Just as Noel has soured on the process, expect others (like Saric) to do the same.    Their path is anything but easy, because of the one thing that everyone continues to overlook, the human factor.   

Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2017, 10:05:02 AM »

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Just to follow up on my last post...I love AB!  A really good talent with great heart, but like IT, and even Jae Crowder to some extent, UNDERSIZED!  In the NBA, you need great talent WITH great size at your position.  It's why LeBron is so good.  The quickness of a much smaller player in that body, with his talent is what makes him so unstopable!  MJ at 6'6" for a SG.  Shaq, Magic, and Bird all had great size to go with their great talent!  AB, IT, not so much, and it's hard to build a great team when you're already starting with a disadvantage.  Now Saric, at 6'10" for a small forward(although he can play PF too) is a huge advantage......Brandon Ingram is another, especially when he adds some muscle.
It's a reason that I think Marcus and Jaylen are really our TRUE core of the future, as MS at PG, and Jaylen at SG would both have good size for their positions, and be a good cornerstone to build the future around.

Why trade a valuable asset like Bradley for a position that we will be able to fulfill in this coming draft (Jackson)??

Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2017, 10:11:26 AM »

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Those questioning Saric couldn't have been watching him much, especially since they traded Ilyasova, giving Saric big minutes.  Since that trade Saric has been averaging close to 20/10/5, and he along with Embid, Simmons, and another top pick this year, give 6'ers a great future....IMO, probably much better than our future core!  Along with Pels and Lakers, they'll be one of our future nemesis, besides the already dominant Warriors, Spurs, and Cavs.
Would quickly do the AB for Saric trade, but 6'ers laugh at that one!

That's quite a prection.   6ers, Pels and Lakers?   

To me, the 6ers look just like the Blazers of old.  Remember how unstoppable they were going to be once Roy, Aldridge & Oden developed?   Folks had them pegged for a ten year dynasty. 

But you can't win titles with a starting 5 of rookie deals, and it's never a sure thing to get those guys to gel and all get paid and have everything fall in your favor.   That's why a GM's job is so much more than just drafting.   I mean, look at Ainge.   He's not really good at scouting /drafting teenagers but because of everything else he does excel at, he's considered one of the games best.   

One question though.   When do you predict Philly turns the corner and sneaks into the playoffs?   They still feel at least 2-3 years away from that.    Good prospects, especially the kid you need with competitive drives, usually don't have that kind of patience.   Just as Noel has soured on the process, expect others (like Saric) to do the same.    Their path is anything but easy, because of the one thing that everyone continues to overlook, the human factor.   
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Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2017, 10:17:44 AM »

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Those questioning Saric couldn't have been watching him much, especially since they traded Ilyasova, giving Saric big minutes.  Since that trade Saric has been averaging close to 20/10/5, and he along with Embid, Simmons, and another top pick this year, give 6'ers a great future....IMO, probably much better than our future core!  Along with Pels and Lakers, they'll be one of our future nemesis, besides the already dominant Warriors, Spurs, and Cavs.
Would quickly do the AB for Saric trade, but 6'ers laugh at that one!

That's quite a prection.   6ers, Pels and Lakers?   

To me, the 6ers look just like the Blazers of old.  Remember how unstoppable they were going to be once Roy, Aldridge & Oden developed?   Folks had them pegged for a ten year dynasty. 

But you can't win titles with a starting 5 of rookie deals, and it's never a sure thing to get those guys to gel and all get paid and have everything fall in your favor.   That's why a GM's job is so much more than just drafting.   I mean, look at Ainge.   He's not really good at scouting /drafting teenagers but because of everything else he does excel at, he's considered one of the games best.   

One question though.   When do you predict Philly turns the corner and sneaks into the playoffs?   They still feel at least 2-3 years away from that.    Good prospects, especially the kid you need with competitive drives, usually don't have that kind of patience.   Just as Noel has soured on the process, expect others (like Saric) to do the same.    Their path is anything but easy, because of the one thing that everyone continues to overlook, the human factor.   
The Sixers are only 6.5 games behind the Pistons for the 8th playoff spot this year.  Obviously they have no hope to catch them, but it isn't that hard to see Philly as a mid to upper 30's win team next year and that is without any free agents joining them.  I mean you would expect Simmons to be back fully healthy, they will have at least one if not two top ten picks in this draft, plus you would expect some growth from Saric, Okafor, Holmes, Stauskas, and McConnell and that doesn't even account for Embiid.  They might also get Bayless back and you would expect Henderson and Covington to be quality players as they are this year.

Imagine if they actually get a top 3 pick with their own pick (or the Sacto swap) and then get the Lakers pick at 4.  Put Fultz, Ball or Jackson with Isaac, Smith, or Fox and add them to the team they have coming back, and they could easily be an upper 30's win team, which might just get them into the playoffs next year and you would fully expect them in the playoffs two seasons from now.
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Re: Bradley for Saric this Offseason?
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2017, 10:17:53 AM »

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Those questioning Saric couldn't have been watching him much, especially since they traded Ilyasova, giving Saric big minutes.  Since that trade Saric has been averaging close to 20/10/5, and he along with Embid, Simmons, and another top pick this year, give 6'ers a great future....IMO, probably much better than our future core!  Along with Pels and Lakers, they'll be one of our future nemesis, besides the already dominant Warriors, Spurs, and Cavs.
Would quickly do the AB for Saric trade, but 6'ers laugh at that one!

That's quite a prection.   6ers, Pels and Lakers?   

To me, the 6ers look just like the Blazers of old.  Remember how unstoppable they were going to be once Roy, Aldridge & Oden developed?   Folks had them pegged for a ten year dynasty. 

But you can't win titles with a starting 5 of rookie deals, and it's never a sure thing to get those guys to gel and all get paid and have everything fall in your favor.   That's why a GM's job is so much more than just drafting.   I mean, look at Ainge.   He's not really good at scouting /drafting teenagers but because of everything else he does excel at, he's considered one of the games best.   

One question though.   When do you predict Philly turns the corner and sneaks into the playoffs?   They still feel at least 2-3 years away from that.    Good prospects, especially the kid you need with competitive drives, usually don't have that kind of patience.   Just as Noel has soured on the process, expect others (like Saric) to do the same.    Their path is anything but easy, because of the one thing that everyone continues to overlook, the human factor.   
The Thunder were in the NBA Finals with 3 of their top 4 by playoff minutes being on rookie deals (Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka) and the 4th was Durant who was in the 1st year of his 2nd contract.
The Thunder was embarrassed and crashed by the Heat and non of them have a ring yet