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Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #570 on: March 02, 2017, 01:14:06 PM »

Offline chilidawg

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Those back to back charges taken by Smart was really something else.  Especially the first one.  He basically took a straight on full speed tackle from a huge mofo in Derrick Williams.  That seriously had to hurt.  Definition of taking one for the team.

We really need a statistic for "things that make a difference but don't show up in the box score." I'd love to see what Smart looks like there.

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FINALLY! Someone understands the game!
Modern day analytics haven't caught up with the most important things that tip games.
Macolm Gladwell- is that you?  Great post! TP

Advanced stats try to do exactly this, measure a players actual impact on winning.  VORP, BPM, Win Shares, RPM, all have their pluses and minuses.  RPM for instance, has Smart just behind IT in the point guard rankings.

Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #571 on: March 02, 2017, 01:55:06 PM »

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Those back to back charges taken by Smart was really something else.  Especially the first one.  He basically took a straight on full speed tackle from a huge mofo in Derrick Williams.  That seriously had to hurt.  Definition of taking one for the team.

We really need a statistic for "things that make a difference but don't show up in the box score." I'd love to see what Smart looks like there.

Mike


FINALLY! Someone understands the game!
Modern day analytics haven't caught up with the most important things that tip games.
Macolm Gladwell- is that you?  Great post! TP

Advanced stats try to do exactly this, measure a players actual impact on winning.  VORP, BPM, Win Shares, RPM, all have their pluses and minuses.  RPM for instance, has Smart just behind IT in the point guard rankings.
Every single one of these is a boxscore stat, so they measure things that do show up in the box score.
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Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #572 on: March 02, 2017, 02:01:01 PM »

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You know, I used to live in the game threads years ago. There was just nothing like watching the game while talking the game in the game threads. But as the Celtics started to get old during the Big 3 era, the game threads started getting nasty because a very negative set of characters came in and just loved antagonizing those trying to cheer on the team. I stop participating in the game threads because of it. It just wasn't enjoyable anymore.

But one thing I loved was when the Celtic won, especially big wins against good teams, those negative participants in the threads disappeared at the end of the threads. They could never hang around and congratulate the team. They could never post positive stuff about the players they always harrassed. God forbid they ever say that Doc ever made a good move to help win the game. They just disappeared and reappeared the next game ready to spread their dissatisfaction.

So this year I haven't been participating in these game threads but I have read them. What I have seen is that not much has changed. Oh there is a new set of antagonists but things just haven't changed. Big win tonight and I see the usual 2 or 3 guys spouting off negativity have disappeared and aren't here celebrating over the win.

The more things change....the more they stay the same. WTG Celtics. Best game of the year. Loved watching it.

I think people should be free to express their positive  or negative thoughts on the game and team as they see fit.  The problem is too many people take it as a direct attack on them or their family and can't separate themselves in the moment.  If all it takes is an anonymous poster to rile you up, I'd say you have a deeper issues  with obsession. People may not agree but if it's not a personal attack then the personal retaliation is completely uncalled for and I think those people are more of the problem of the board than anything else.  If it doesn't pertain directly to you or you can't respond without being vindictive yourself, there is always the option to just ignore And move along.
actually, that is not at all what nick is saying. he is referring a generalized activity, mood for the blog, not him being attacked as a person.
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Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #573 on: March 02, 2017, 02:02:21 PM »

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Now comes the lovely West Coast Trips! (ugh)

Hopefully the C's can go 3-2 in that stretch. West Coast trips never easy.

Should beat Lakers, Suns, and one of Clippers/Nuggets.

But knowing how this season has gone, we'll probably lose to the Suns but beat the Warriors.

Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #574 on: March 02, 2017, 02:17:43 PM »

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You know, I used to live in the game threads years ago. There was just nothing like watching the game while talking the game in the game threads. But as the Celtics started to get old during the Big 3 era, the game threads started getting nasty because a very negative set of characters came in and just loved antagonizing those trying to cheer on the team. I stop participating in the game threads because of it. It just wasn't enjoyable anymore.

But one thing I loved was when the Celtic won, especially big wins against good teams, those negative participants in the threads disappeared at the end of the threads. They could never hang around and congratulate the team. They could never post positive stuff about the players they always harrassed. God forbid they ever say that Doc ever made a good move to help win the game. They just disappeared and reappeared the next game ready to spread their dissatisfaction.

So this year I haven't been participating in these game threads but I have read them. What I have seen is that not much has changed. Oh there is a new set of antagonists but things just haven't changed. Big win tonight and I see the usual 2 or 3 guys spouting off negativity have disappeared and aren't here celebrating over the win.

The more things change....the more they stay the same. WTG Celtics. Best game of the year. Loved watching it.

I think people should be free to express their positive  or negative thoughts on the game and team as they see fit.  The problem is too many people take it as a direct attack on them or their family and can't separate themselves in the moment.  If all it takes is an anonymous poster to rile you up, I'd say you have a deeper issues  with obsession. People may not agree but if it's not a personal attack then the personal retaliation is completely uncalled for and I think those people are more of the problem of the board than anything else.  If it doesn't pertain directly to you or you can't respond without being vindictive yourself, there is always the option to just ignore And move along.
actually, that is not at all what nick is saying. he is referring a generalized activity, mood for the blog, not him being attacked as a person.

And that's why I frequently referenced people and not nick specifically

Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #575 on: March 02, 2017, 02:36:53 PM »

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Those back to back charges taken by Smart was really something else.  Especially the first one.  He basically took a straight on full speed tackle from a huge mofo in Derrick Williams.  That seriously had to hurt.  Definition of taking one for the team.

We really need a statistic for "things that make a difference but don't show up in the box score." I'd love to see what Smart looks like there.

Mike


FINALLY! Someone understands the game!
Modern day analytics haven't caught up with the most important things that tip games.
Macolm Gladwell- is that you?  Great post! TP

Advanced stats try to do exactly this, measure a players actual impact on winning.  VORP, BPM, Win Shares, RPM, all have their pluses and minuses.  RPM for instance, has Smart just behind IT in the point guard rankings.
Every single one of these is a boxscore stat, so they measure things that do show up in the box score.

From my understanding, both BPM and RPM are outcome based and not on anything that shows up in the box score, except for +/-.  The others combine box score numbers with outcomes.  Feel free to enlighten me more, with specifics.

Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #576 on: March 02, 2017, 02:46:17 PM »

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Those back to back charges taken by Smart was really something else.  Especially the first one.  He basically took a straight on full speed tackle from a huge mofo in Derrick Williams.  That seriously had to hurt.  Definition of taking one for the team.

We really need a statistic for "things that make a difference but don't show up in the box score." I'd love to see what Smart looks like there.

Mike


FINALLY! Someone understands the game!
Modern day analytics haven't caught up with the most important things that tip games.
Macolm Gladwell- is that you?  Great post! TP

Advanced stats try to do exactly this, measure a players actual impact on winning.  VORP, BPM, Win Shares, RPM, all have their pluses and minuses.  RPM for instance, has Smart just behind IT in the point guard rankings.
Every single one of these is a boxscore stat, so they measure things that do show up in the box score.

From my understanding, both BPM and RPM are outcome based and not on anything that shows up in the box score, except for +/-.  The others combine box score numbers with outcomes.  Feel free to enlighten me more, with specifics.
Fair enough , BPM/RPM use game flow info (i.e. you have to know who was on the floor when). But the only true quantifying of "things that don't show up in the box score" I think is done by the NBA's video analytics program, whatever its name was.
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Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #577 on: March 02, 2017, 03:28:01 PM »

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I think some of the strong disagreements between posters here are because this team is really in uncharted territory with having such a fast rebuild with a vet core, but still having a core of great prospects and picks. On top of that, our best vet player is 5'9. There is no precedence for this, nothing to really support arguments for the path the team should take, and its not even clear what the team is trying to really do. This will naturally bring up strong arguments on all ends.

There is nothing wrong with expressing criticism or support , that's what the forum is for, right? The problems come when people are too extreme on either end, and then take attacks on the team or on a certain path the team should take or on players or prospects personally. In line with this, there are also too many instances where people want praise for "being right " or "calling it". We all get things right and wrong in our predictions, that's not what this forum should be about. Who cares if a group of anonymous posters think you were right about a trad or prospect? What matters is if Ainge and the team management are right. If we all keep things in perspective and not lean to either extreme, we can have great discussions and learn a lot from the can other. We each bring different perspectives and different knowledge into this forum, we don't have to all agree but we can learn something from each perspective.

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Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #578 on: March 02, 2017, 04:03:05 PM »

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Jaylen during post-game interview: "It was a bar fight, man."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjhUrCENPok

Yep, this kid bleeds green already.

That's my man !   kG fight in him. 

Smart and Brown ....bleed green

Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #579 on: March 02, 2017, 04:41:00 PM »

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After rewatching some of the stretch plays from last night, I still don't like our chances vs Cleveland but I'd love an opportunity to see a healthy AB + Kyrie match up over a 7 game series.

I'd love to see that matchup too. I think Bradley could give Kyrie some serious fits over the course of a series.
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Re: Cavaliers (41-17) at Celtics (38-22) Game #61 3/1/17
« Reply #580 on: March 02, 2017, 05:00:10 PM »

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Jaylen during post-game interview: "It was a bar fight, man."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjhUrCENPok

Yep, this kid bleeds green already.

That's my man !   kG fight in him.

Smart and Brown ....bleed green


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