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Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2017, 09:18:43 AM »

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 :-\Guys slump. Steph Curry is 34 for his last 92. He missed all 11 of his threes last night. Is that because the Dubs are only adding Jose Calderon?


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Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2017, 09:30:31 AM »

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Easy for them to say -- they're not accountable for building a team that can actually win a championship.

They've also said repeatedly that they're not defending the games of Butler or George. They've let that fool Jim Murray moan about Cousins at some length because they have little other to talk about his time of year.

They've also acknowledged that beating Golden State, or even Cleveland, had they made such a move was highly highly unlikely.

So, they're just stirring the pot. Period. They've long hung their hat on the notion that Cs fans are fairweather / halfa$$ed sports fans, and praise everything that Ainge does -- while only briefly pointing to the myriad things the guy has done right. 

When in reality, they're acting like typical fans who don't have the patience to wait for the best draft choice Ainge has ever had, or a better deal in the summer (which there certainly will be). This blog, for example, was rife with impatience before the deadline. So they're talk track, like they're hoops knowledge, is bogus.

I should point out that Thomas is only 28. Hanging him out to dry is an overstatement.

I agree...

But I do agree with them that the Celts should have at least made a small move

You have how many 2nd round picks?  Keeping all of these picks gives off mixed signals for the guys that want to win now

For PJ Tucker? Honestly, what is the point?

IF the Cs make a win now trade before the draft with the Nets pick, that MIN 2nd Rounder could actually be very useful to them ala a Big Baby / Leon Powe type addition on the cheap. And their other 2nds are in the bottom 10 picks in the draft. Yes, you could find a player there. Point is CLE's 2nd ain't worth much.

I agree. For every ten Josip Sesars, Lester Hudsons or Luke Harangodies, there is one Manu Ginobili, Isaiah Thomas or Nikola Jokic. Why not trying to get him? Even Yogi Ferrell seems a legit NBA player and went undrafted last year.

I know it is different as it is the first round, but the stashing strategy last draft seems to be paying dividends in our future.

Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2017, 09:50:59 AM »

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:-\Guys slump. Steph Curry is 34 for his last 92. He missed all 11 of his threes last night. Is that because the Dubs are only adding Jose Calderon?

Draymond Green has been slumping all year long

They are not playing seriously... Look at their lineup

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Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2017, 10:05:41 AM »

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Some things:

IT4 is our starting PG until he stops averaging 25+ PPG at a ridiculously high efficiencyand while he is doing that and averaging 6+ APG. When he signs his max contract he will be our starting PG for years. Get used to it.

The idea of having all our starters come off the bench and start all the youth is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen written here at Celticsblog. Stevens would lose the veterans in the clubhouse, the team chemistry would implode and the Cs would start losing games at a Nets like pace. Ainge would also probably fire Stevens for doing so.

IT is this team's primary scorer and hence takes the most shots on the team. He is not a ball hog, he is simply doing his job, the job Stevens has told him to do. Once the Celtics can get another 20+ scorer on this team, IT will defer more.

IT is in a slump for the last week it happens. He will come out of it as he is too good a shooter, gets too many open looks and shots at the free throw line not to come out of it.

Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2017, 10:14:00 AM »

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Some things:

IT4 is our starting PG until he stops averaging 25+ PPG at a ridiculously high efficiencyand while he is doing that and averaging 6+ APG. When he signs his max contract he will be our starting PG for years. Get used to it.

The idea of having all our starters come off the bench and start all the youth is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen written here at Celticsblog. Stevens would lose the veterans in the clubhouse, the team chemistry would implode and the Cs would start losing games at a Nets like pace. Ainge would also probably fire Stevens for doing so.

IT is this team's primary scorer and hence takes the most shots on the team. He is not a ball hog, he is simply doing his job, the job Stevens has told him to do. Once the Celtics can get another 20+ scorer on this team, IT will defer more.

IT is in a slump for the last week it happens. He will come out of it as he is too good a shooter, gets too many open looks and shots at the free throw line not to come out of it.

What about his defensive limitations?

He still has to prove he can carry this team past a playoff round..

Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2017, 10:49:26 AM »

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What if IT is versions of AI one and two? As in playing as AI one being a MVP candidate for us now and most his next contract but in year three he plays off the bench like AI two did for warriors. IT at that stage would be an unbelievable bench force that could repeat the same results, help team win a ring and he earns finals MVP. It's not all or nothing when it comes to how DA is building things.

Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2017, 11:14:50 AM »

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Some things:

IT4 is our starting PG until he stops averaging 25+ PPG at a ridiculously high efficiencyand while he is doing that and averaging 6+ APG. When he signs his max contract he will be our starting PG for years. Get used to it.

The idea of having all our starters come off the bench and start all the youth is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen written here at Celticsblog. Stevens would lose the veterans in the clubhouse, the team chemistry would implode and the Cs would start losing games at a Nets like pace. Ainge would also probably fire Stevens for doing so.

IT is this team's primary scorer and hence takes the most shots on the team. He is not a ball hog, he is simply doing his job, the job Stevens has told him to do. Once the Celtics can get another 20+ scorer on this team, IT will defer more.

IT is in a slump for the last week it happens. He will come out of it as he is too good a shooter, gets too many open looks and shots at the free throw line not to come out of it.

What about his defensive limitations?

He still has to prove he can carry this team past a playoff round..

And why, exactly, does he need to "carry this team past a playoff round?"

The question should be posed to Danny Ainge, no one else, despite Chad Finn's laughably homerish article today. He must be taking his cues from "For Immediate Release" Bulpett.
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Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2017, 11:18:17 AM »

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Some things:

IT4 is our starting PG until he stops averaging 25+ PPG at a ridiculously high efficiencyand while he is doing that and averaging 6+ APG. When he signs his max contract he will be our starting PG for years. Get used to it.

The idea of having all our starters come off the bench and start all the youth is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen written here at Celticsblog. Stevens would lose the veterans in the clubhouse, the team chemistry would implode and the Cs would start losing games at a Nets like pace. Ainge would also probably fire Stevens for doing so.

IT is this team's primary scorer and hence takes the most shots on the team. He is not a ball hog, he is simply doing his job, the job Stevens has told him to do. Once the Celtics can get another 20+ scorer on this team, IT will defer more.

IT is in a slump for the last week it happens. He will come out of it as he is too good a shooter, gets too many open looks and shots at the free throw line not to come out of it.

What about his defensive limitations?

He still has to prove he can carry this team past a playoff round..

And why, exactly, does he need to "carry this team past a playoff round?"

The question should be posed to Danny Ainge, no one else, despite Chad Finn's laughably homerish article today. He must be taking his cues from "For Immediate Release" Bulpett.
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Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2017, 11:28:08 AM »

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Easy for them to say -- they're not accountable for building a team that can actually win a championship.

They've also said repeatedly that they're not defending the games of Butler or George. They've let that fool Jim Murray moan about Cousins at some length because they have little other to talk about his time of year.

They've also acknowledged that beating Golden State, or even Cleveland, had they made such a move was highly highly unlikely.

So, they're just stirring the pot. Period. They've long hung their hat on the notion that Cs fans are fairweather / halfa$$ed sports fans, and praise everything that Ainge does -- while only briefly pointing to the myriad things the guy has done right. 

When in reality, they're acting like typical fans who don't have the patience to wait for the best draft choice Ainge has ever had, or a better deal in the summer (which there certainly will be). This blog, for example, was rife with impatience before the deadline. So they're talk track, like they're hoops knowledge, is bogus.

I should point out that Thomas is only 28. Hanging him out to dry is an overstatement.

I agree...

But I do agree with them that the Celts should have at least made a small move

You have how many 2nd round picks?  Keeping all of these picks gives off mixed signals for the guys that want to win now

For PJ Tucker? Honestly, what is the point?

IF the Cs make a win now trade before the draft with the Nets pick, that MIN 2nd Rounder could actually be very useful to them ala a Big Baby / Leon Powe type addition on the cheap. And their other 2nds are in the bottom 10 picks in the draft. Yes, you could find a player there. Point is CLE's 2nd ain't worth much.
How do you plan on keeping that player on the roster?  Or what about the 2 other 2nd round picks this year, or the two firsts in 18, etc.  Boston has too many picks and too many players.  Even if you don't bring over Nader next year you still have Yab and Zizic that need a spot.  You need room for the first or whomever you trade the 1st for.  You need room for free agents.  I mean it seems likely that Zeller, Jerekbo, Zeller, and Young are all cut, but is that random 2nd round pick going to be any better than Mickey or Jackson.

You make the moves because Boston isn't going to have all those people on the roster next year anyway, so you might as well make moves that help the team this year without harming the future at all. 
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Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2017, 11:30:29 AM »

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Some things:

IT4 is our starting PG until he stops averaging 25+ PPG at a ridiculously high efficiencyand while he is doing that and averaging 6+ APG. When he signs his max contract he will be our starting PG for years. Get used to it.

The idea of having all our starters come off the bench and start all the youth is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen written here at Celticsblog. Stevens would lose the veterans in the clubhouse, the team chemistry would implode and the Cs would start losing games at a Nets like pace. Ainge would also probably fire Stevens for doing so.

IT is this team's primary scorer and hence takes the most shots on the team. He is not a ball hog, he is simply doing his job, the job Stevens has told him to do. Once the Celtics can get another 20+ scorer on this team, IT will defer more.

IT is in a slump for the last week it happens. He will come out of it as he is too good a shooter, gets too many open looks and shots at the free throw line not to come out of it.

What about his defensive limitations?

He still has to prove he can carry this team past a playoff round..

And why, exactly, does he need to "carry this team past a playoff round?"

The question should be posed to Danny Ainge, no one else, despite Chad Finn's laughably homerish article today. He must be taking his cues from "For Immediate Release" Bulpett.
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Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2017, 11:31:23 AM »

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Easy for them to say -- they're not accountable for building a team that can actually win a championship.

They've also said repeatedly that they're not defending the games of Butler or George. They've let that fool Jim Murray moan about Cousins at some length because they have little other to talk about his time of year.

They've also acknowledged that beating Golden State, or even Cleveland, had they made such a move was highly highly unlikely.

So, they're just stirring the pot. Period. They've long hung their hat on the notion that Cs fans are fairweather / halfa$$ed sports fans, and praise everything that Ainge does -- while only briefly pointing to the myriad things the guy has done right. 

When in reality, they're acting like typical fans who don't have the patience to wait for the best draft choice Ainge has ever had, or a better deal in the summer (which there certainly will be). This blog, for example, was rife with impatience before the deadline. So they're talk track, like they're hoops knowledge, is bogus.

I should point out that Thomas is only 28. Hanging him out to dry is an overstatement.

I agree...

But I do agree with them that the Celts should have at least made a small move

You have how many 2nd round picks?  Keeping all of these picks gives off mixed signals for the guys that want to win now

For PJ Tucker? Honestly, what is the point?

IF the Cs make a win now trade before the draft with the Nets pick, that MIN 2nd Rounder could actually be very useful to them ala a Big Baby / Leon Powe type addition on the cheap. And their other 2nds are in the bottom 10 picks in the draft. Yes, you could find a player there. Point is CLE's 2nd ain't worth much.
How do you plan on keeping that player on the roster?  Or what about the 2 other 2nd round picks this year, or the two firsts in 18, etc.  Boston has too many picks and too many players.  Even if you don't bring over Nader next year you still have Yab and Zizic that need a spot.  You need room for the first or whomever you trade the 1st for.  You need room for free agents.  I mean it seems likely that Zeller, Jerekbo, Zeller, and Young are all cut, but is that random 2nd round pick going to be any better than Mickey or Jackson.

You make the moves because Boston isn't going to have all those people on the roster next year anyway, so you might as well make moves that help the team this year without harming the future at all.

Maybe some have the goal of putting together an expansion team of nothing but rookies, second-year and third-year players, burning the franchise to the ground?
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Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2017, 11:41:57 AM »

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Some things:

IT4 is our starting PG until he stops averaging 25+ PPG at a ridiculously high efficiencyand while he is doing that and averaging 6+ APG. When he signs his max contract he will be our starting PG for years. Get used to it.

The idea of having all our starters come off the bench and start all the youth is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen written here at Celticsblog. Stevens would lose the veterans in the clubhouse, the team chemistry would implode and the Cs would start losing games at a Nets like pace. Ainge would also probably fire Stevens for doing so.

IT is this team's primary scorer and hence takes the most shots on the team. He is not a ball hog, he is simply doing his job, the job Stevens has told him to do. Once the Celtics can get another 20+ scorer on this team, IT will defer more.

IT is in a slump for the last week it happens. He will come out of it as he is too good a shooter, gets too many open looks and shots at the free throw line not to come out of it.

What about his defensive limitations?

He still has to prove he can carry this team past a playoff round..

And why, exactly, does he need to "carry this team past a playoff round?"

The question should be posed to Danny Ainge, no one else, despite Chad Finn's laughably homerish article today. He must be taking his cues from "For Immediate Release" Bulpett.
to get to the finals you have to go through a playoff round

Exactly... IT4 wants max... He doesnt want his status with the team jeapordized in any way

Well to achieve both of these things, you need to carry a team past a playoff round


Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2017, 11:47:52 AM »

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outside of Anthony Davis, tell me who in this league is gonna make this team, as constructed good enough to oust the Cavs in the ECF and hang with the Warriors. 

Nobody.  Its a two team league right now.  Ainge is building for the long term.  The next wave.  And with the record and Brad Stevens, the C's are a free agent destination now.  These are stupid conversations.  its a two team league, think long term.  Forget about now.

Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2017, 12:10:28 PM »

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Some things:

IT4 is our starting PG until he stops averaging 25+ PPG at a ridiculously high efficiencyand while he is doing that and averaging 6+ APG. When he signs his max contract he will be our starting PG for years. Get used to it.

The idea of having all our starters come off the bench and start all the youth is about the dumbest thing I have ever seen written here at Celticsblog. Stevens would lose the veterans in the clubhouse, the team chemistry would implode and the Cs would start losing games at a Nets like pace. Ainge would also probably fire Stevens for doing so.

IT is this team's primary scorer and hence takes the most shots on the team. He is not a ball hog, he is simply doing his job, the job Stevens has told him to do. Once the Celtics can get another 20+ scorer on this team, IT will defer more.

IT is in a slump for the last week it happens. He will come out of it as he is too good a shooter, gets too many open looks and shots at the free throw line not to come out of it.

What about his defensive limitations?

He still has to prove he can carry this team past a playoff round..
So he has defensive limitations...get over it. So does Harden, Curry, Melo and a lot of other high scoring players. You work around those deficiencies because his offense is so important to the team.

And he doesn't have to carry the team past the first round. The whole team has to be healthy and play well as a whole to get past the first round. IT can't do it by himself. Only the all-time greats can get their team past a round of the playoffs when the rest of the time isn't playing well. And the last two years almost no one played well in the playoffs for the Celtics.

Re: F & M state the Celts hung IT4 to dry by standing pat
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2017, 12:14:23 PM »

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outside of Anthony Davis, tell me who in this league is gonna make this team, as constructed good enough to oust the Cavs in the ECF and hang with the Warriors. 

Nobody.  Its a two team league right now.  Ainge is building for the long term.  The next wave.  And with the record and Brad Stevens, the C's are a free agent destination now.  These are stupid conversations.  its a two team league, think long term.  Forget about now.

Still iffy on this one

So you are saying if we add hayward and butler, we still have no chance.. ?

GSW is still a relatively young team... And even without Durant they will be dangerous for years to come

From IT4, Horford view , maybe they think Danny and Wyc are being cheap azzes.

From an objective , Celtics come 1st point of view , I think they made the correct move standing pat.... Instead of an unknown pick, if the Celts secure a top 2 pick, then thats all it might take for Butler (and we can keep Brown)... if IT4 cant help Celts get to the next round in the playoffs, maybe they pick Fultz and trade IT4