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Re: 2018 pick for another 2017 pick
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2017, 02:29:26 PM »

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Impossible to answer this question without knowing which 2017 pick we're getting.

Are we getting another pick in the top 5? Then 100% yes. No team would do that trade though.


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Re: 2018 pick for another 2017 pick
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2017, 02:49:37 PM »

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I would rather wait on the pick and see if it can be used in trade down the road for a high level talent.  (if the Celtics use, not trade the 17 pick )


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Re: 2018 pick for another 2017 pick
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2017, 03:39:05 PM »

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Hey Guys.
What is your thought on us trading the 2018 pick to say Philly for their 2017 pick once the order is esatblished. Say Philly gets pick 4 and we get pick 2. We then get two rooks that can have an extra year of playing together.

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2018 draft is also considered a good one... Lots of top centers/pfs prospects

I mean unless fultz drops for whatever reason

Would you do it if Jackson was on the board?

Say the top 3 are Fultz/Ball/Isaac, would you trade the 2018 pick to get Jackson?

False premise.  Jackson is top 3.  I think Danny will rank him number 1 target. 

More realistic trade idea: We land the top pick.  Lakers land 2 or 3.  I can almost guarantee you that Magic will want Ball, because, as Bill Walton said in the UCLA game last night, the kid is the closest thing to Magic Johnson he has ever seen.  Could see Danny agreeing to a swap with LA in which we also get Randle, who could be a good guy off the bench for us. Then Danny gets Jackson plus another good player.

If the same scenario but another team at 2-3 not the Lakers, that other team could very well target Fultz, and would agree to swap places with Ainge and maybe offer a future 1st round pick unprotected. Or another desirable asset.

If the draft order stays the way it is today, with Jackson slotted at 3, I am not sweating it unless we land at 4, in which case Danny should either try and trade up to grab Jackson, or take someone like Tatum or Isaac.

That's not a false premise.  It's entirely possible that the team picking #3 will prefer someone else and Jackson will be there at #4 (Top rated prospects sometimes slip, like Dunn last year, or Winslow in 2015, or Embiid in 2014, or Noel in 213).  I'm not suggesting trading the 2018 pick for the #4 pick right after the lottery, I'm asking if, should Jackson be available at #4 (which is entirely possible), people would be willing to trade the 2018 pick for him

I see your point. I guess where we don't agree is that if land top 3, there is no way Danny should let Jackson slip by, he will take him.  If he can trade down and still take him, great. If he can't, then I think he should grab him anyway, even at 1.

Re: 2018 pick for another 2017 pick
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2017, 11:32:33 AM »

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The one thing no one has mentioned is you really have no idea what Brooklyn will look like next season.  Sure we can all presume they aren't going to be very good, but you just don't know that for sure.  Who knows, maybe it has always been ____ dream to play in NY/Brooklyn.  Maybe signing that player, other players follow suit.  Maybe Phil Jackson convinces Anthony to go across town and play in Brooklyn with Brook Lopez and they end up as a 30+ win team.  Sometimes it is better to go with the known vs. the unknown.  Sometimes it is not. 
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Re: 2018 pick for another 2017 pick
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2017, 11:39:27 AM »

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Does anybody know regarding the 2017 pick

Who will be the representative for the Nets pick?

Does it have to be a Nets rep? Then Celts pick up the option to swap (how awkward)

I almost want a non Celtics rep up there (considering this teams luck with the lotto)...

Re: 2018 pick for another 2017 pick
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2017, 11:46:45 AM »

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The one thing no one has mentioned is you really have no idea what Brooklyn will look like next season.  Sure we can all presume they aren't going to be very good, but you just don't know that for sure.  Who knows, maybe it has always been ____ dream to play in NY/Brooklyn.  Maybe signing that player, other players follow suit.  Maybe Phil Jackson convinces Anthony to go across town and play in Brooklyn with Brook Lopez and they end up as a 30+ win team.  Sometimes it is better to go with the known vs. the unknown.  Sometimes it is not.

Yeah, we've heard the argument enough around here that last year's Nets would be better than expected, and we saw how that turned out.  This year's team could win 25-30 games.  Uh huh.  And now it's time for next year's team to be the one to improve itself in free agency, despite the pretty weak free agency class this year.  Forgive me if I suggest that this line of reasoning has been proven wrong multiple years in a row.

Re: 2018 pick for another 2017 pick
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2017, 11:52:40 AM »

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Ainge has so many draft picks and stashed players, he is going to have a roster problem this summer unless he can deal players and picks. Or at least trade picks for more future picks. Something's gotta give, as the song says.

He keeps pushing back decision making time, but things will rapidly come to a head after this season.

The trouble with having too many assets is their value tends to get diminished in the open market.

Re: 2018 pick for another 2017 pick
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2017, 12:00:30 PM »

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This might actually be possible. Maybe the 76ers would rather have another high pick next year than 2 this year to help space money out contract wise in the future.

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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2017, 12:01:45 PM »

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The one thing no one has mentioned is you really have no idea what Brooklyn will look like next season.  Sure we can all presume they aren't going to be very good, but you just don't know that for sure.  Who knows, maybe it has always been ____ dream to play in NY/Brooklyn.  Maybe signing that player, other players follow suit.  Maybe Phil Jackson convinces Anthony to go across town and play in Brooklyn with Brook Lopez and they end up as a 30+ win team.  Sometimes it is better to go with the known vs. the unknown.  Sometimes it is not.

Yeah, we've heard the argument enough around here that last year's Nets would be better than expected, and we saw how that turned out.  This year's team could win 25-30 games.  Uh huh.  And now it's time for next year's team to be the one to improve itself in free agency, despite the pretty weak free agency class this year.  Forgive me if I suggest that this line of reasoning has been proven wrong multiple years in a row.

FAs these days tend to sign with contending teams, not the bad teams. They want a championship ring. The NY teams and the Lakers may have difficulty signing top FAs, even though they are in the biggest markets. And the Nets are further restricted in the draft, where the Celtics own their top picks the next two years. Chances are they will stay at the bottom for awhile.

Re: 2018 pick for another 2017 pick
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2017, 12:11:34 PM »

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Ainge has so many draft picks and stashed players, he is going to have a roster problem this summer unless he can deal players and picks. Or at least trade picks for more future picks. Something's gotta give, as the song says.

He keeps pushing back decision making time, but things will rapidly come to a head after this season.

The trouble with having too many assets is their value tends to get diminished in the open market.

Something had to give this past off season draft  ;D

Ainge will likely pick more and more international players and stash them away if the picks are kept

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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2017, 02:31:18 PM »

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I dont think Philly would do it but Im not sure if this would even be an option because say you are able to make that trade, why wouldnt you try to flip at least one of those for a current star player?

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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2017, 04:01:20 PM »

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The one thing no one has mentioned is you really have no idea what Brooklyn will look like next season.  Sure we can all presume they aren't going to be very good, but you just don't know that for sure.  Who knows, maybe it has always been ____ dream to play in NY/Brooklyn.  Maybe signing that player, other players follow suit.  Maybe Phil Jackson convinces Anthony to go across town and play in Brooklyn with Brook Lopez and they end up as a 30+ win team.  Sometimes it is better to go with the known vs. the unknown.  Sometimes it is not.

Yeah, we've heard the argument enough around here that last year's Nets would be better than expected, and we saw how that turned out.  This year's team could win 25-30 games.  Uh huh.  And now it's time for next year's team to be the one to improve itself in free agency, despite the pretty weak free agency class this year.  Forgive me if I suggest that this line of reasoning has been proven wrong multiple years in a row.
Nets would have been a lot better with Crabbe and Johnson though.  Two guys they actually signed only to watch their contracts get matched.  They also signed Motiejunas only to see Houston match that contract.  Maybe now that teams don't have all this free cash, maybe they actually get some of those restricted free agents.  Is Boston going to match 15 million a year on Olynyk (as an example)?
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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2017, 04:18:42 PM »

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Ainge has so many draft picks and stashed players, he is going to have a roster problem this summer unless he can deal players and picks. Or at least trade picks for more future picks. Something's gotta give, as the song says.

He keeps pushing back decision making time, but things will rapidly come to a head after this season.

The trouble with having too many assets is their value tends to get diminished in the open
Something had to give this past off season draft  ;D

Ainge will likely pick more and more international players and stash them away if the picks are kept

We can field our own international team soon !!

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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2017, 04:19:14 PM »

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The one thing no one has mentioned is you really have no idea what Brooklyn will look like next season.  Sure we can all presume they aren't going to be very good, but you just don't know that for sure.  Who knows, maybe it has always been ____ dream to play in NY/Brooklyn.  Maybe signing that player, other players follow suit.  Maybe Phil Jackson convinces Anthony to go across town and play in Brooklyn with Brook Lopez and they end up as a 30+ win team.  Sometimes it is better to go with the known vs. the unknown.  Sometimes it is not.

Yeah, we've heard the argument enough around here that last year's Nets would be better than expected, and we saw how that turned out.  This year's team could win 25-30 games.  Uh huh.  And now it's time for next year's team to be the one to improve itself in free agency, despite the pretty weak free agency class this year.  Forgive me if I suggest that this line of reasoning has been proven wrong multiple years in a row.
Nets would have been a lot better with Crabbe and Johnson though.  Two guys they actually signed only to watch their contracts get matched.  They also signed Motiejunas only to see Houston match that contract.  Maybe now that teams don't have all this free cash, maybe they actually get some of those restricted free agents.  Is Boston going to match 15 million a year on Olynyk (as an example)?

If Kelly Olynyk is good enough to improve the Nets by 10 wins next season, I'd really hope that the Celtics match $15 million a year, because that will be a big loss.

The Nets will get zero restricted free agents next summer.  They might get some free agents who are eligible to be restricted, and who are not given a qualifying offer, but they will get none that are good enough for teams to have a qualifying offer on, because teams don't let those players go.  As evidenced by the three attempts they made at signing such a player in the past year.

Re: 2018 pick for another 2017 pick
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2017, 04:20:25 PM »

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The one thing no one has mentioned is you really have no idea what Brooklyn will look like next season.  Sure we can all presume they aren't going to be very good, but you just don't know that for sure.  Who knows, maybe it has always been ____ dream to play in NY/Brooklyn.  Maybe signing that player, other players follow suit.  Maybe Phil Jackson convinces Anthony to go across town and play in Brooklyn with Brook Lopez and they end up as a 30+ win team.  Sometimes it is better to go with the known vs. the unknown.  Sometimes it is not.

Yeah, we've heard the argument enough around here that last year's Nets would be better than expected, and we saw how that turned out.  This year's team could win 25-30 games.  Uh huh.  And now it's time for next year's team to be the one to improve itself in free agency, despite the pretty weak free agency class this year.  Forgive me if I suggest that this line of reasoning has been proven wrong multiple years in a row.
Nets would have been a lot better with Crabbe and Johnson though.  Two guys they actually signed only to watch their contracts get matched.  They also signed Motiejunas only to see Houston match that contract.  Maybe now that teams don't have all this free cash, maybe they actually get some of those restricted free agents.  Is Boston going to match 15 million a year on Olynyk (as an example)?

They wouldn't be very wise if they mortgage their future overpaying for some mid-level players.