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Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #30 on: February 15, 2017, 10:55:18 AM »

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The reason you stay away from Drummond is that he's owed an average of $26.2m per year for the next four years. You only acquire a guy making money for that many years into the future if he's a transcendent talent. And Drummond (with the way today's NBA game is played) is not that.

Now, others will come back and say "you're paying Horford similar money for the next three years, and he's not a transcendent talent". Correct. But Horford was intended as the stepping stone towards acquiring another superstar, not the end game. Drummond would essentially clog up the Celtics' cap situation for years.

This is a better argument than that "dinosaur" business. Bill Russell wouldn't appreciate that.
Maybe Stevens needs to give a little, too, if he wants to win a championship. KG was no dinosaur. Neither was Perkins.

But when you look at the projected salaries for  the next FA contracts, the numbers are in the $40 mil per year range! This makes $26M guys look cheap, including Drummond and Melo. And Horford.

KG was a superior defender and could hit the 18-footer with regularity and hit free throws. Drummond can't.

Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #31 on: February 15, 2017, 11:02:30 AM »

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Drummond doesn't fit our style of play at all. He is a good rebounder but what else does he do? He can't even hit free throws. He is a dinosaur as some others have mentioned. I would prefer Brook Lopez at the same cost over Drummond because he is more versatile and better offensively. Not saying I want Brook but if I had to choose based on the same cost I would go for Brook to fit with "this" team and style of play.

Lopez is a greatly inferior defender and rebounder, who is also older and more injury prone.  I think Lopez is underrated, but at the same time he's averaging 5.2 rebounds per game. He'd struggle next to Horford.


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Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #32 on: February 15, 2017, 11:04:32 AM »

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I want him, but I wouldn't want to give up Smart, Brown, or the 2017 first rounder.

If we could keep IT and Horford as well I don't see why not?

If giving up just Amir, one of Bradley/Crowder, the 2018 Brooklyn pick, Rozier and fillers could get it done why the heck not? Cap relief(Amir), productive prime player(AB/JC), lottery pick(BK18), prospect (Rozier) and some second rounders that gives Detroit a lot and still leaves us with trade assets. The only thing we miss out on is free agency.

Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #33 on: February 15, 2017, 11:12:15 AM »

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I think it's a somewhat sad commentary on the modern NBA that a player averaging 14 rebounds a game is considered a "dinosaur" and a "bad fit."

I'm in agreement with those who don't want to commit to Drummond's big contract, considering he's not a superstar, but every fiber of my being squirms and recoils at the notion that 7-footers MUST be good 3pt shooters who rarely, if ever, enter the paint.
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Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #34 on: February 15, 2017, 11:17:36 AM »

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I don't think he fits our system so much to give the Nets pick for him. Other than Cousins, Anthony Davis or a superstar/skilled big man, let's wait till summer and watch what Zizic can give in our team.


Have the Celtics had a big man like this to put into the "system"? 



Does anyone else think it is possible that the "system" would be adjusted based on the top players of the team?



Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #35 on: February 15, 2017, 11:37:21 AM »

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The reason you stay away from Drummond is that he's owed an average of $26.2m per year for the next four years. You only acquire a guy making money for that many years into the future if he's a transcendent talent. And Drummond (with the way today's NBA game is played) is not that.

Now, others will come back and say "you're paying Horford similar money for the next three years, and he's not a transcendent talent". Correct. But Horford was intended as the stepping stone towards acquiring another superstar, not the end game. Drummond would essentially clog up the Celtics' cap situation for years.

This is a better argument than that "dinosaur" business. Bill Russell wouldn't appreciate that.
Maybe Stevens needs to give a little, too, if he wants to win a championship. KG was no dinosaur. Neither was Perkins.

But when you look at the projected salaries for  the next FA contracts, the numbers are in the $40 mil per year range! This makes $26M guys look cheap, including Drummond and Melo. And Horford.

KG was a superior defender and could hit the 18-footer with regularity and hit free throws. Drummond can't.
Drummond is actually hitting the 10-16 foot shot at 48.8% this year.  He doesn't take very many of them (only 6.5% of his shots), but he is increasing his range and his efficiency basically every year.  And remember he is only 23.
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Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #36 on: February 15, 2017, 11:37:30 AM »

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The reason you stay away from Drummond is that he's owed an average of $26.2m per year for the next four years. You only acquire a guy making money for that many years into the future if he's a transcendent talent. And Drummond (with the way today's NBA game is played) is not that.

Now, others will come back and say "you're paying Horford similar money for the next three years, and he's not a transcendent talent". Correct. But Horford was intended as the stepping stone towards acquiring another superstar, not the end game. Drummond would essentially clog up the Celtics' cap situation for years.

This is a better argument than that "dinosaur" business. Bill Russell wouldn't appreciate that.
Maybe Stevens needs to give a little, too, if he wants to win a championship. KG was no dinosaur. Neither was Perkins.

But when you look at the projected salaries for  the next FA contracts, the numbers are in the $40 mil per year range! This makes $26M guys look cheap, including Drummond and Melo. And Horford.

KG was a superior defender and could hit the 18-footer with regularity and hit free throws. Drummond can't.

Perkins was most definitely a dinosaur.
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Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2017, 11:42:17 AM »

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I m a fan of post play .....rebounding ,  clogging the paint   etc.

So ..yeah I d be tickled to see Drummond wearing green.

But knowing Danny ......I'm not holding my breath.

Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2017, 11:43:40 AM »

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I don't think he fits our system so much to give the Nets pick for him. Other than Cousins, Anthony Davis or a superstar/skilled big man, let's wait till summer and watch what Zizic can give in our team.


Have the Celtics had a big man like this to put into the "system"? 

No in million years ....it feels like

I miss KG and Perk

Does anyone else think it is possible that the "system" would be adjusted based on the top players of the team?

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« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2017, 11:45:02 AM »

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Not sure how anyone could be against getting Drummond for 2018 Nets and some players. The guy is everything we need. Plus I love throwback bigs like him. Just personal bias but kind ov over 3pt shooting bigs..

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« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2017, 11:45:52 AM »

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I don't think he fits our system so much to give the Nets pick for him. Other than Cousins, Anthony Davis or a superstar/skilled big man, let's wait till summer and watch what Zizic can give in our team.


Have the Celtics had a big man like this to put into the "system"? 



Does anyone else think it is possible that the "system" would be adjusted based on the top players of the team?

TP, I think this is the exact mindset people lack and need around here.

Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2017, 11:49:46 AM »

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The fact that we can't close games with Drummond because of his FT shooting worries me, especially since we're going to give up some good quality players and a pick or two for him.

He does solve our rebounding issue, but what good is he if he's not there to close out games?
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« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2017, 11:51:47 AM »

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Yes but nobody wants them

Not for the price they r asking

Drummond is slowly becoming ancient technology

Re: Lowe - Drummond and Jackson available
« Reply #43 on: February 15, 2017, 11:56:36 AM »

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My concern with Drummond (as a longtime UConn fan who tends to follow those players who jump to the NBA) has never had anything to do with ability to rebound or athleticism. He's an incredible athlete who can block a shot, rebound it, outlet, run the floor and catch a lob in the same play. Gifted, in that regard.

But the guy is not a basketball head. He doesn't think the game. Maybe he will improve there - he's 23 and has probably not had great big-man coaching. He played for a pretty dysfunctional Pistons team for a while.

Still, someone with his innate athleticism should be a menacing defender. He can block the occasional shot with some thunder, but that doesn't mean he has the head or heart to be a defensive anchor. I reckon that's partially why SVG has pondered moving on from him.

Could he get there? Maybe. But that's where the questions start for me. Oh, and for the love of mercy, someone convince him to shoot FTs underhanded.
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« Reply #44 on: February 15, 2017, 11:56:48 AM »

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The fact that we can't close games with Drummond because of his FT shooting worries me, especially since we're going to give up some good quality players and a pick or two for him.

He does solve our rebounding issue, but what good is he if he's not there to close out games?

And having Thomas in defensively is a liability during close games and folks around here are ready to max him out. Whats the difference?