Celtics - Bulls - 76er trade idea. (based on a Bulls/76er rumor)

[Birdman]

No way I trade Nets pick unless for Cousins

[Birdman]

This team needs a big inside

[CelticGuardian]

Crowder alone is worth Jimmy Butler straight up. Nevermind a potential 1st pick and Smart.

this is just nonsense.

There's a whole lot of that in this thread.

If most of these people had their way, we would have a team of Anthony Davis, Greek Freak, Lebron James, Russell Westbrook and Blake Griffin...

Can we trade Ainge for those people?

[the_gunner]

I think it's really interesting if we somehow can get Butler. He is in a different league than Crowder, Bradley etc..

Getting Butler will not give us a chance against a healthy Cavs team, but on the other hand we would have a chance if they are missing one of their centerpieces, but even more important it will give us a chance of getting to the eastern conference finals, which I believe will be great. We can be happy with less than winning the title, so the argument that Golden State and Cavs will be dominant won't avoid me from thinking that we should give it a shot and compete as well as possible.

My trade would be:

To Boston: Butler
To 76'ers: Crowder and Rozier
To Chicago: Amir and Okafor

I think we will need to give up a first(hopefully not Nets pick) and a few second round picks to Chicago

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gkvgafb

Why would we do it? The answer is simple: getting a major upgrade on SF

Why would 76'ers do it? They will get Crowder as a great dressing room guy and a good player. They need talent on the guard position too, so it's a good trade for them.

Why would Chicago do it? The probably can't hold on to Butler forever, and getting Okafor they will get the talented big man they want. By getting Amirs expiring and picks will also put them in a great position if they want to trade for other stars or free agents. I also think that Bulls might blow it all up if they get into a loosing streak, as they may realise that this is the last chance for Wade.

 

[moiso]

Obviously Butler is a much better player than Crowder but I think a guy like Crowder or Smart would help change the Bulls entire culture for the better and they need that badly.  I love Butler's talent and game but I bet the Bulls would be a far better team minus Butler plus Smart and Crowder.  No way would I include a Nets pick.

[mctyson]

Saw this today where the Bulls are interested in Okafor

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-bulls-have-inquired-about-sixers-center-jahlil-okafor-151651495.html


Celtics get Butler
76ers get Smart
Bulls get Okafor, Crowder, Zeller and 2018 Nets 


(plus the Celtics can add 2nd rounder to either team to sweeten the deal)

Under no scenario will Crowder and Smart go out for Jimmy Butler.

[mctyson]

The best/most realistic trade for the Celtics is:
Bradley, Brown, Zeller, and Grizzlies Pick for Butler.

This is far more likely.  AB plays the same position and is likely to move on Boston after 2018.

[jyyzzoel]

what about:

Bradley
Crowder
Rozier
2018 Celtics pick
Clippers pick
2nd rounder

is that fair? how would you change this?
I know Butler is good. I just think he's overated. the bulls asked for the world at the draft. they aren't going to get it

[Quetzalcoatl]

what about:

Bradley
Crowder
Rozier
2018 Celtics pick
Clippers pick
2nd rounder

is that fair? how would you change this?
I know Butler is good. I just think he's overated. the bulls asked for the world at the draft. they aren't going to get it

If we trade Bradley and Crowder, then we're not competing.  They probably aren't moving him without us throwing in at least one Nets pick.

[Bobshot]

Saw this today where the Bulls are interested in Okafor

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-bulls-have-inquired-about-sixers-center-jahlil-okafor-151651495.html


Celtics get Butler
76ers get Smart
Bulls get Okafor, Crowder, Zeller and 2018 Nets 


(plus the Celtics can add 2nd rounder to either team to sweeten the deal)

Under no scenario will Crowder and Smart go out for Jimmy Butler.

That's why Danny wouldn't do this deal last draft. Except substitute the Brown #3 pick for the Nets18. They wanted two starters plus the pick.

The Nets 18 pick doesn't have near the value of the Nets17 pick, since nobody knows what the Nets will do this offseason to improve their team.

Bradley and a Nets18 for Butler might be OK. But the Bulls will want Nets17, and I wouldn't do that.

[Surferdad]

The best/most realistic trade for the Celtics is:
Bradley, Brown, Zeller, and Grizzlies Pick for Butler.

This is far more likely.  AB plays the same position and is likely to move on Boston after 2018.

Yeah 10% is far more likely than 1%   .
Brown will be as good or better than Butler someday, plus giving up AB is just too much.

[Geo123]

The best/most realistic trade for the Celtics is:
Bradley, Brown, Zeller, and Grizzlies Pick for Butler.

This is far more likely.  AB plays the same position and is likely to move on Boston after 2018.

Yeah 10% is far more likely than 1%   .
Brown will be as good or better than Butler someday, plus giving up AB is just too much.

How can you say Brown will be as good as or better than Butler?  There's no evidence of that right now.  People need to quit over valuing our players.  No GM or talent evaluator in the league would say that.

[Eddie20]

The best/most realistic trade for the Celtics is:
Bradley, Brown, Zeller, and Grizzlies Pick for Butler.

This is far more likely.  AB plays the same position and is likely to move on Boston after 2018.

Yeah 10% is far more likely than 1%   .
Brown will be as good or better than Butler someday, plus giving up AB is just too much.

How can you say Brown will be as good as or better than Butler?  There's no evidence of that right now.  People need to quit over valuing our players.  No GM or talent evaluator in the league would say that.

While it's not a foregone conclusion that Brown will be better than Butler, it definitely is reasonable to think he will when you consider his upside. Moreover, during his rookie season Butler (who was 22 at the time) averaged 2.6 PPG and shoot 40% from the field and 18% from 3's. So it's fair to say that Brown at 20 is better than Butler was at 22. You combine that with his work ethic and I do think Brown has a legitimate shot at being better. The bigger question is if Ainge is willing to wait for that development or does he go for the "win now" mode that Butler undoubtedly offers.

[RAAAAAAAANDY]

Jimmy Butler's progression is the exception, not the rule.

Jaylen Brown may or may not turn out to be a good player, but right now he's a bad rookie... Which isn't unusual, most rookies are bad. That doesn't mean he is the next Jimmy Butler.

[Geo123]

Jimmy Butler's progression is the exception, not the rule.

Jaylen Brown may or may not turn out to be a good player, but right now he's a bad rookie... Which isn't unusual, most rookies are bad. That doesn't mean he is the next Jimmy Butler.

Exactly, to claim anything else is just not based on facts.