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Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2850 on: August 17, 2017, 01:19:57 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?
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Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2851 on: August 17, 2017, 01:32:44 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?

Moreover, those who voted for Trump to show us white urban yuppy elites with advanced degrees we don't know better than them proved exactly the opposite.

I also can't grasp how anyone could ever imagine Trump doing anything good for anyone. This guy has the anti-Midas touch and turns everything he touches to **** and brings everyone down he associates with. That has been his whole life and his entire administration up to this point.

Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2852 on: August 17, 2017, 01:42:55 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?

Moreover, those who voted for Trump to show us white urban yuppy elites with advanced degrees we don't know better than them proved exactly the opposite.

I also can't grasp how anyone could ever imagine Trump doing anything good for anyone. This guy has the anti-Midas touch and turns everything he touches to **** and brings everyone down he associates with. That has been his whole life and his entire administration up to this point.
See, that's wrong. At least in the mind of a good deal of the people who voted for Trump. They got their vanilla conservative judge, so they're chalking down this one as a success.

All that other stuff like running the country and whatnot? Many don't really care, and we can just hope that there is a critical mass that do.
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Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2853 on: August 17, 2017, 01:58:19 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?

Moreover, those who voted for Trump to show us white urban yuppy elites with advanced degrees we don't know better than them proved exactly the opposite.

I also can't grasp how anyone could ever imagine Trump doing anything good for anyone. This guy has the anti-Midas touch and turns everything he touches to **** and brings everyone down he associates with. That has been his whole life and his entire administration up to this point.
See, that's wrong. At least in the mind of a good deal of the people who voted for Trump. They got their vanilla conservative judge, so they're chalking down this one as a success.

All that other stuff like running the country and whatnot? Many don't really care, and we can just hope that there is a critical mass that do.

Yes a conservative judge is much needed, especially when you have RBG  advocating to change the age of consent to 12 yrs old , creepy as hell.

Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2854 on: August 17, 2017, 02:18:48 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?

Moreover, those who voted for Trump to show us white urban yuppy elites with advanced degrees we don't know better than them proved exactly the opposite.

I also can't grasp how anyone could ever imagine Trump doing anything good for anyone. This guy has the anti-Midas touch and turns everything he touches to **** and brings everyone down he associates with. That has been his whole life and his entire administration up to this point.
See, that's wrong. At least in the mind of a good deal of the people who voted for Trump. They got their vanilla conservative judge, so they're chalking down this one as a success.

All that other stuff like running the country and whatnot? Many don't really care, and we can just hope that there is a critical mass that do.

Yes a conservative judge is much needed, especially when you have RBG  advocating to change the age of consent to 12 yrs old , creepy as hell.
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Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2855 on: August 17, 2017, 02:19:28 PM »

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I can't help but wonder if people who voted for Trump based on the makeup of the Supreme Court did so because they wanted future cases to come out with a conservative outcome or because they hoped past decisions made by the court could be revisited and changed by the court. Specifically the legalization of Obamacare, LGBT rights, and the subject that can't be discussed on this site.

BTW, I voted Hilary for two reasons: because I wanted Garland or someone similar on the SC bench and I didn't want a mysogenist, racist, narcissicist, egomaniac in the Presidency. I personally hated Hillary but am glad I voted for her. Frankly think Sanders or Kasich would have been better presidents than either Hillary or Trump.

Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2856 on: August 17, 2017, 02:30:29 PM »

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Yes a conservative judge is much needed, especially when you have RBG  advocating to change the age of consent to 12 yrs old , creepy as hell.

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Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2857 on: August 17, 2017, 02:33:25 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?

Moreover, those who voted for Trump to show us white urban yuppy elites with advanced degrees we don't know better than them proved exactly the opposite.

I also can't grasp how anyone could ever imagine Trump doing anything good for anyone. This guy has the anti-Midas touch and turns everything he touches to **** and brings everyone down he associates with. That has been his whole life and his entire administration up to this point.
See, that's wrong. At least in the mind of a good deal of the people who voted for Trump. They got their vanilla conservative judge, so they're chalking down this one as a success.

All that other stuff like running the country and whatnot? Many don't really care, and we can just hope that there is a critical mass that do.

Yes a conservative judge is much needed, especially when you have RBG  advocating to change the age of consent to 12 yrs old , creepy as hell.
come on man

don't just listen to what lindsay graham said

Ok then , people don't prop him up when he bashes trump...

Deal?  :)

Though I haven't seen anything that debunks this

Washington post had this, but it doesn't debunk this claim at all

Did Ginsburg really think the age of consent should be lowered to 12? Conservative UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh has concluded that Ginsburg probably "was the victim of a drafting error."

Oh ok, nothing to see here....

Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2858 on: August 17, 2017, 03:04:30 PM »

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Thanks Slam. I understand that on this blog (Clinton outpaced Trump 2 to 1) any rationale behind a Trump vote is gonna draw some ire. Appreciate the respectful response. Ill give as best an answer I can.
Gorsuch seems qualified, but so did Garland.  I'm genuinely curious why some people want a more conservative court.  I would think personal liberties and freedoms would be more popular with a more 'liberal' court so if you could elaborate a little on why a more conservative court is viewed as better I'd certainly appreciate the learning opportunity. 
I felt, perhaps incorrectly, that the supreme court had a nice balance of typically conservative judges and typically liberal ones. When Scalia died, I felt it would be most appropriate to replace him with another judge of similar leanings to maintain this balance.

I have seen the idea floated that were Trump given the opportunity to pick another justice he should pick Garland, and I love that idea as I do believe Garland to be qualified. Unfortunately I dont see Trump making such a decision. As I said, I thought hed be a ****ty president.

[Obamacare]'s not perfect (or even close) but what in particular about this attempt to provide healthcare for everyone merits a complete repeal vs keeping it and addressing what's not working.
This one is tough. Perhaps you are correct that an overhaul as opposed to repealing and replacing is the best way to proceed. Honestly, I cant tell you that I have in my hand the solution to our healthcare system. However, I do have several problems with Obamacare. First, I dont believe healthcare is a right. The reason I believe we should attempt to provide as many people as possible with healthcare is because often preventative care is cheaper than healing someone once theyve become sick. Second, I felt the mandate was unconstitutional and as you said, the whole bill basically revolves around that mandate. Finally, I want to move farther away from "socialist medicine" you can say i was scared by the healthcare boogie man, but maybe I was. The USA has the best medical care in the world. When you have a serious medical issue you dont go to canada or france, you go to America. Trump seemed to advocate a single payer system which was rather concerning to me, but I felt that his particular views on healthcare were less important than having a president in the white house who wouldnt veto a repeal and replace (or total overhaul) of Obamacare. As such, my main complaint here is with the republican congress. Obamacare is driving up premiums and deductibles and doctors and pharmaceutical companies hate it. I had faith that the Republicans werent full of **** and they could actually deliver on the one thing theyve repeatedly promised for the pas 8 years and they blew it.
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Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2859 on: August 17, 2017, 03:07:35 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?

Moreover, those who voted for Trump to show us white urban yuppy elites with advanced degrees we don't know better than them proved exactly the opposite.

I also can't grasp how anyone could ever imagine Trump doing anything good for anyone. This guy has the anti-Midas touch and turns everything he touches to **** and brings everyone down he associates with. That has been his whole life and his entire administration up to this point.
See, that's wrong. At least in the mind of a good deal of the people who voted for Trump. They got their vanilla conservative judge, so they're chalking down this one as a success.

All that other stuff like running the country and whatnot? Many don't really care, and we can just hope that there is a critical mass that do.

Yes a conservative judge is much needed, especially when you have RBG  advocating to change the age of consent to 12 yrs old , creepy as hell.

Where, exactly, has she ever actually advocated for such a thing?   Please don't give me a link where some conservative _claims_ she has.   Give me a link to where she has actually done so.

Note - I'm not claiming she has not.  I would just like to see evidence backing up such an extreme assertion.

EDIT:  I see you have subsequently rescinded the claim.
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Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2860 on: August 17, 2017, 03:10:39 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?
Its not that Hilary was symbolic of the safe space herself and more that Trump was the antithesis of it. Trump was vulgar and didnt give a **** if he offended you. People were sick of it. I was sick of it.

It wasnt so much of a political statement as it was a cultural statement. It was a **** you to a media that was becoming increasingly concerned with political correctness. People were sick of having to tip toe around and make sure they didnt offend anyone so they voted for the guy who represented the opposite of that.

Myself among them. If you hang out in Massachusetts and watch movies and ESPN and comedy central and late night TV all day, you can easily be convinced that this is just the way of the world and that [dang] near everybody is all aboard the PC train. Everybody except for your racist uncle. When 1/4th of the US population voted for Trump I had hoped it would force people to step back and realize that this was not just your racist uncle or a couple angry dumb rednecks. These were decent people who were just sick of it. There was no demand. It was more of a statement.
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Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2861 on: August 17, 2017, 03:13:47 PM »

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I can't help but wonder if people who voted for Trump based on the makeup of the Supreme Court did so because they wanted future cases to come out with a conservative outcome or because they hoped past decisions made by the court could be revisited and changed by the court. Specifically the legalization of Obamacare, LGBT rights, and the subject that can't be discussed on this site.

BTW, I voted Hilary for two reasons: because I wanted Garland or someone similar on the SC bench and I didn't want a mysogenist, racist, narcissicist, egomaniac in the Presidency. I personally hated Hillary but am glad I voted for her. Frankly think Sanders or Kasich would have been better presidents than either Hillary or Trump.
I personally did not and do not want those decisions overturned. I wanted a conservative court to mantain the balance that existed with Scalia. Perhaps it was a conservative court then and I had misread the situation, but I liked the makeup with Scalia included and felt it would be good to do something to maintain that balance.

I believe, Rubio, Kasich, Bush, Paul, Cruz, and Sanders would have all been better presidents than Trump or Clinton, but there I was on election night picking between Clinton and Trump.
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Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2862 on: August 17, 2017, 03:15:08 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?
Its not that Hilary was symbolic of the safe space herself and more that Trump was the antithesis of it. Trump was vulgar and didnt give a **** if he offended you. People were sick of it. I was sick of it.

It wasnt so much of a political statement as it was a cultural statement. It was a **** you to a media that was becoming increasingly concerned with political correctness. People were sick of having to tip toe around and make sure they didnt offend anyone so they voted for the guy who represented the opposite of that.

Myself among them. If you hang out in Massachusetts and watch movies and ESPN and comedy central and late night TV all day, you can easily be convinced that this is just the way of the world and that [dang] near everybody is all aboard the PC train. Everybody except for your racist uncle. When 1/4th of the US population voted for Trump I had hoped it would force people to step back and realize that this was not just your racist uncle or a couple angry dumb rednecks. These were decent people who were just sick of it. There was no demand. It was more of a statement.

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Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2863 on: August 17, 2017, 03:16:40 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?

Moreover, those who voted for Trump to show us white urban yuppy elites with advanced degrees we don't know better than them proved exactly the opposite.

I also can't grasp how anyone could ever imagine Trump doing anything good for anyone. This guy has the anti-Midas touch and turns everything he touches to **** and brings everyone down he associates with. That has been his whole life and his entire administration up to this point.
See, that's wrong. At least in the mind of a good deal of the people who voted for Trump. They got their vanilla conservative judge, so they're chalking down this one as a success.

All that other stuff like running the country and whatnot? Many don't really care, and we can just hope that there is a critical mass that do.

Yes a conservative judge is much needed, especially when you have RBG  advocating to change the age of consent to 12 yrs old , creepy as hell.

Where, exactly, has she ever actually advocated for such a thing?   Please don't give me a link where some conservative _claims_ she has.   Give me a link to where she has actually done so.

Note - I'm not claiming she has not.  I would just like to see evidence backing up such an extreme assertion.

EDIT:  I see you have subsequently rescinded the claim.

I have? I will gladly if I am wrong, but haven't seen it yet.....

Re: The President Trump Thread
« Reply #2864 on: August 17, 2017, 03:20:26 PM »

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Reason #2. Symbolic vote. I voted in Mass so my vote was merely a symbolic gesture. I wanted Trump to garner enough of the popular vote that people had to sit up and notice that the portion of the Country sick of safe-spaces and the like was not an inconsequential chunk of stupid racist rednecks. I wanted people to have to realize that this was a big chunk of the country they were p---ing off. Trump got ~40% of the popular vote, which I was very pleased with. Had I been in a swing state, the decision would have been far more difficult for me and I likely would not have voted.
Interesting that you would say that. The Democrats voted out the "safe space" candidate in the primaries, but apparently that wasn't enough. What is it exactly that the "not inconsequential chunk of the country" expects and demands?

Moreover, those who voted for Trump to show us white urban yuppy elites with advanced degrees we don't know better than them proved exactly the opposite.

I also can't grasp how anyone could ever imagine Trump doing anything good for anyone. This guy has the anti-Midas touch and turns everything he touches to **** and brings everyone down he associates with. That has been his whole life and his entire administration up to this point.
See, that's wrong. At least in the mind of a good deal of the people who voted for Trump. They got their vanilla conservative judge, so they're chalking down this one as a success.

All that other stuff like running the country and whatnot? Many don't really care, and we can just hope that there is a critical mass that do.

Yes a conservative judge is much needed, especially when you have RBG  advocating to change the age of consent to 12 yrs old , creepy as hell.
come on man

don't just listen to what lindsay graham said

Ok then , people don't prop him up when he bashes trump...

Deal?  :)

Though I haven't seen anything that debunks this

Washington post had this, but it doesn't debunk this claim at all

Did Ginsburg really think the age of consent should be lowered to 12? Conservative UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh has concluded that Ginsburg probably "was the victim of a drafting error."

Oh ok, nothing to see here....
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