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Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2017, 03:25:50 PM »

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When I've watched Tatum I haven't seen a guy with a "below the rim" game.  Looks like he's a very good athlete, maybe a step below elite.

He is playing garbage ball right now

He is a no show in the 1st half for several games straight

He just looks lost/maybe not a good fit under coach K
19 points 14 board vs. a ranked Notre Dame team in his last game.

He is not playing "garbage ball"

Finally a decent game.  But I would pass on Jabari Parker part 2

You're using a Jabari comparison as a negative?

Yes...he plays alot of mins and Bucks stink

He was a ghost with less than 5 min/OT vs Celts a few nights ago

Just overrated imo

Team success does not always represent individual talent, especially when talking about young players. Would you consider Towns a bad prospect, too? AD? Additionally, saw one of the worst games of his career. Overall, he's an efficient and advanced scorer for his age.
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Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2017, 03:40:19 PM »

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When I've watched Tatum I haven't seen a guy with a "below the rim" game.  Looks like he's a very good athlete, maybe a step below elite.

He is playing garbage ball right now

He is a no show in the 1st half for several games straight

He just looks lost/maybe not a good fit under coach K
19 points 14 board vs. a ranked Notre Dame team in his last game.

He is not playing "garbage ball"

Finally a decent game.  But I would pass on Jabari Parker part 2

You're using a Jabari comparison as a negative?

Yes...he plays alot of mins and Bucks stink

He was a ghost with less than 5 min/OT vs Celts a few nights ago

Just overrated imo

Wait so if you knew Tatum could get you 20 and 6 by his 3rd season you would pass on him?

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2017, 03:46:06 PM »

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Since I see those 3 as the consensus top 3, getting the shaft, err, the fourth pick would be disappointing. Yet the 4th pick is likely the worst we would do so working on seeing "tier 2" prospects isn't a waste of time.

If those 3 are the consensus top 3 I would be trilled to be at 4 because my #2 prospect Jayson Tatum is still on the board. Now that Duke has finally figured out roles of players people will see him shine although I agree with his trainer that with more space on the floor he will be much better than what we see now.

I have watched the guy for 3 years and I dont see how his scoring doesnt translate to the next level.
there is some level of concern that his below the rim game combined with his lack of a 3-point shot could leave him struggling at the next level, but that is a minor concern.

The fact that a choice between Isaac or Tatum is a consolation prize is super exciting.

I understand those concerns but I dont have those concerns. The guy knows how to create space for his shot. He has the stroke to hit 3s. My concern with 3s is more his willingness to take them and take them off the catch than the shot itself.

He just like Jaylen before him gets in trouble trying to do too much hence some of Duke's early troubles. Bad shots. Not finding teammates (although Jaylen really didnt have people to pass to).

But like Jaylen I think when you put him on the Cs his talents shine because he isnt forced to be the man or justify being a top rated player. He can do what he does best without having to force it.

Lastly, I like Jayson for the same reason I like Jaylen. They work on their games. I cant understate the importance of a guy working on his game when I look at a player. Give me an elite guy that works on his game because I know he is interested in improving. I felt that way about Jaylen and I feel that way about Jayson.

Between Jackson and Tatum who would you choose?

I would choose Tatum but not by much. Jackson has always been one of the top 3 players on the floor no matter who is on the floor with him. One on One I think Jackson gives Tatum fits at time.
I also think Jackson checks off more boxes than Tatum, BUT I Tatum's ability to score ranks higher to me.

When I evaluate the two as prospects, I worry more about Jackson's shot and ability to score one on one than the flaws in Tatum's game thus I would take Tatum. This is not a universally accepted position but as with Jaylen, I can only go by what I have seen over a 2 or 3 year period.

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2017, 03:54:40 PM »

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When I've watched Tatum I haven't seen a guy with a "below the rim" game.  Looks like he's a very good athlete, maybe a step below elite.

He is playing garbage ball right now

He is a no show in the 1st half for several games straight

He just looks lost/maybe not a good fit under coach K
19 points 14 board vs. a ranked Notre Dame team in his last game.

He is not playing "garbage ball"

Finally a decent game.  But I would pass on Jabari Parker part 2

You're using a Jabari comparison as a negative?

Yes...he plays alot of mins and Bucks stink

He was a ghost with less than 5 min/OT vs Celts a few nights ago

Just overrated imo

Wait so if you knew Tatum could get you 20 and 6 by his 3rd season you would pass on him?
All 20 and 6 players are not created equal.

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2017, 03:58:50 PM »

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When I've watched Tatum I haven't seen a guy with a "below the rim" game.  Looks like he's a very good athlete, maybe a step below elite.

He is playing garbage ball right now

He is a no show in the 1st half for several games straight

He just looks lost/maybe not a good fit under coach K
19 points 14 board vs. a ranked Notre Dame team in his last game.

He is not playing "garbage ball"

Finally a decent game.  But I would pass on Jabari Parker part 2

You're using a Jabari comparison as a negative?

Yes...he plays alot of mins and Bucks stink

He was a ghost with less than 5 min/OT vs Celts a few nights ago

Just overrated imo

Team success does not always represent individual talent, especially when talking about young players. Would you consider Towns a bad prospect, too? AD? Additionally, saw one of the worst games of his career. Overall, he's an efficient and advanced scorer for his age.

Parker can play. He looks a lot better this year than last, as he now looks fully recovered and confident following the knee injury.

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2017, 04:00:23 PM »

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I like Tatum better than Jabari Parker because I while they have similar offensive games and rebounding skills, Tatum can actually defend his position (SF) while Jabari Parker can defend neither forward position (SF/PF).

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2017, 04:04:22 PM »

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When I've watched Tatum I haven't seen a guy with a "below the rim" game.  Looks like he's a very good athlete, maybe a step below elite.

He is playing garbage ball right now

He is a no show in the 1st half for several games straight

He just looks lost/maybe not a good fit under coach K
19 points 14 board vs. a ranked Notre Dame team in his last game.

He is not playing "garbage ball"

Finally a decent game.  But I would pass on Jabari Parker part 2

You're using a Jabari comparison as a negative?

Yes...he plays alot of mins and Bucks stink

He was a ghost with less than 5 min/OT vs Celts a few nights ago

Just overrated imo

Team success does not always represent individual talent, especially when talking about young players. Would you consider Towns a bad prospect, too? AD? Additionally, saw one of the worst games of his career. Overall, he's an efficient and advanced scorer for his age.

Parker can play. He looks a lot better this year than last, as he now looks fully recovered and confident following the knee injury.

My thoughts exactly.
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Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2017, 04:25:42 PM »

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When I've watched Tatum I haven't seen a guy with a "below the rim" game.  Looks like he's a very good athlete, maybe a step below elite.

He is playing garbage ball right now

He is a no show in the 1st half for several games straight

He just looks lost/maybe not a good fit under coach K
19 points 14 board vs. a ranked Notre Dame team in his last game.

He is not playing "garbage ball"

Finally a decent game.  But I would pass on Jabari Parker part 2

You're using a Jabari comparison as a negative?

Yes...he plays alot of mins and Bucks stink

He was a ghost with less than 5 min/OT vs Celts a few nights ago

Just overrated imo

Wait so if you knew Tatum could get you 20 and 6 by his 3rd season you would pass on him?
All 20 and 6 players are not created equal.

Obviously but that doesnt answer the question at all. Would you pass on a guy whom if he is Parker can get you 20 and 6?

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2017, 04:36:25 PM »

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When I've watched Tatum I haven't seen a guy with a "below the rim" game.  Looks like he's a very good athlete, maybe a step below elite.

He is playing garbage ball right now

He is a no show in the 1st half for several games straight

He just looks lost/maybe not a good fit under coach K
19 points 14 board vs. a ranked Notre Dame team in his last game.

He is not playing "garbage ball"

Finally a decent game.  But I would pass on Jabari Parker part 2

You're using a Jabari comparison as a negative?

Yes...he plays alot of mins and Bucks stink

He was a ghost with less than 5 min/OT vs Celts a few nights ago

Just overrated imo

Wait so if you knew Tatum could get you 20 and 6 by his 3rd season you would pass on him?
All 20 and 6 players are not created equal.

Exactly

Just look at Melo

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2017, 04:39:22 PM »

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When I've watched Tatum I haven't seen a guy with a "below the rim" game.  Looks like he's a very good athlete, maybe a step below elite.

He is playing garbage ball right now

He is a no show in the 1st half for several games straight

He just looks lost/maybe not a good fit under coach K
19 points 14 board vs. a ranked Notre Dame team in his last game.

He is not playing "garbage ball"

Finally a decent game.  But I would pass on Jabari Parker part 2

You're using a Jabari comparison as a negative?

Yes...he plays alot of mins and Bucks stink

He was a ghost with less than 5 min/OT vs Celts a few nights ago

Just overrated imo

Wait so if you knew Tatum could get you 20 and 6 by his 3rd season you would pass on him?
All 20 and 6 players are not created equal.

Obviously but that doesnt answer the question at all. Would you pass on a guy whom if he is Parker can get you 20 and 6?


Experts compared Parker to Melo.. and now I can see why

Parker is a poor overall defender

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2017, 04:42:23 PM »

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Funny how a thread on 2017 draft devolves into Parker v Melo comparisons. Only on CelticsBlog LOL.

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2017, 04:43:04 PM »

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Celtics should only draft guys that have upside to be an NBA star. I would understand Isaac for that reason. But Jackson? Idk, maybe he will work hard enough to be Scottie Pippen, but I don't see it. I see Iggy at best. And Iggy is no Scottie Pippen. Iggy is great though.

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2017, 04:46:32 PM »

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Celtics should only draft guys that have upside to be an NBA star. I would understand Isaac for that reason. But Jackson? Idk, maybe he will work hard enough to be Scottie Pippen, but I don't see it. I see Iggy at best. And Iggy is no Scottie Pippen. Iggy is great though.

You just convinced yourself iggy is good lol

Listen there is no durant from this draft

An iggy calibre talent is an amazing addition. Dont forget how good he was vs lebron 2 years ago

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2017, 04:51:34 PM »

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CBS Sports draft has Isaac going 3, Tatum dropped to 11 and Jackson to 12. Giles to 30. Yikes.

Re: Ford Big Board 3.0
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2017, 04:52:55 PM »

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When I've watched Tatum I haven't seen a guy with a "below the rim" game.  Looks like he's a very good athlete, maybe a step below elite.

He is playing garbage ball right now

He is a no show in the 1st half for several games straight

He just looks lost/maybe not a good fit under coach K
19 points 14 board vs. a ranked Notre Dame team in his last game.

He is not playing "garbage ball"

Finally a decent game.  But I would pass on Jabari Parker part 2

You're using a Jabari comparison as a negative?

Yes...he plays alot of mins and Bucks stink

He was a ghost with less than 5 min/OT vs Celts a few nights ago

Just overrated imo

Wait so if you knew Tatum could get you 20 and 6 by his 3rd season you would pass on him?
All 20 and 6 players are not created equal.

Obviously but that doesnt answer the question at all. Would you pass on a guy whom if he is Parker can get you 20 and 6?


Experts compared Parker to Melo.. and now I can see why

Parker is a poor overall defender

What does Parker being compared to Melo have to do with Tatum?