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Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #60 on: January 30, 2017, 06:34:02 PM »

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I see Jackson as an athletic Evan Turner. And an athletic version of Turner is an All-Star caliber talent. So is Gerald Wallace in his prime. I'll take those at top 3 pick anytime.

Turner handles are loose. He cant make it all the way to the basket majority of the time.

He cant protect the rim. And only is an average rebounder

If anything Turner is more like a sg

I think a more intense smarter Michael Beasley comparison might work... Then again Beasley is a better shooter

The only two forwards I can recently think of that are multi talented, handles, passing, bbiq, explosiveness, (cant shoot) are Lebron and Simmons...

Simmons committment on the defensive end is questionable though
Turner is probably a better rebounder than Jackson. comparable passers. Turner is a better/more creative finisher, but Jackson is way more athletic and explosive allowing him to be a better scorer.

The real issue with the comp is defense where Jackson can potential be an all-defense guy.

Simmons is a much better passer and rebounder than Jackson.
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Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #61 on: January 30, 2017, 07:01:37 PM »

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I see Jackson as an athletic Evan Turner. And an athletic version of Turner is an All-Star caliber talent. So is Gerald Wallace in his prime. I'll take those at top 3 pick anytime.

Turner handles are loose. He cant make it all the way to the basket majority of the time.

He cant protect the rim. And only is an average rebounder

If anything Turner is more like a sg

I think a more intense smarter Michael Beasley comparison might work... Then again Beasley is a better shooter

The only two forwards I can recently think of that are multi talented, handles, passing, bbiq, explosiveness, (cant shoot) are Lebron and Simmons...

Simmons committment on the defensive end is questionable though
Turner is probably a better rebounder than Jackson. comparable passers. Turner is a better/more creative finisher, but Jackson is way more athletic and explosive allowing him to be a better scorer.

The real issue with the comp is defense where Jackson can potential be an all-defense guy.

Simmons is a much better passer and rebounder than Jackson.

Are you talking defense or offense? Because Jackson is a better offensive rebounder than turner or simmons... Just relentless/effort

Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #62 on: January 30, 2017, 07:04:43 PM »

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Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #63 on: January 30, 2017, 07:05:33 PM »

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I see Jackson as an athletic Evan Turner. And an athletic version of Turner is an All-Star caliber talent. So is Gerald Wallace in his prime. I'll take those at top 3 pick anytime.

Turner handles are loose. He cant make it all the way to the basket majority of the time.

He cant protect the rim. And only is an average rebounder

If anything Turner is more like a sg

I think a more intense smarter Michael Beasley comparison might work... Then again Beasley is a better shooter

The only two forwards I can recently think of that are multi talented, handles, passing, bbiq, explosiveness, (cant shoot) are Lebron and Simmons...

Simmons committment on the defensive end is questionable though
Turner is probably a better rebounder than Jackson. comparable passers. Turner is a better/more creative finisher, but Jackson is way more athletic and explosive allowing him to be a better scorer.

The real issue with the comp is defense where Jackson can potential be an all-defense guy.

Simmons is a much better passer and rebounder than Jackson.

Are you talking defense or offense? Because Jackson is a better offensive rebounder than turner or simmons... Just relentless/effort
defense.

I care about defensive rebounding much more.
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Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #64 on: January 30, 2017, 07:06:22 PM »

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honestly the guy he reminds me of the most is terrence williams + finishing ability.

Obviously a far superior prospect, but thats the guy that I keep coming back to.
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Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #65 on: January 30, 2017, 08:37:58 PM »

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honestly the guy he reminds me of the most is terrence williams + finishing ability.

Obviously a far superior prospect, but thats the guy that I keep coming back to.

A rich man Matt Barnes, Terrence Williams + finishing ability?/ really?

Terrence Williams is 6'5 and has a below bbiq.  That is why he is no longer in the league

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« Reply #66 on: January 31, 2017, 08:15:35 AM »

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He is now the #3 prospect on the draftexpress board.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

3. Josh Jackson   
SF (Kansas - Freshman)   
19.9 years old | 6'8" | 203 lbs
2016-17 NCAA (21 GP)
15.7 PPG       6.7 RPG       3.1 APG       24.6 PER


Keep in mind he plays way better defense than either Fultz or Ball.

And defense is half of the game.

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« Reply #67 on: January 31, 2017, 11:51:37 AM »

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How can Jackson be considered to go number 2 or 3 on this draft with 55% ft shooting? Good prospect yes and he is not a PG which is important for this draft but Fultz, Ball and Smith are for sure better long term prospects than Josh

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« Reply #68 on: January 31, 2017, 11:57:11 AM »

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honestly the guy he reminds me of the most is terrence williams + finishing ability.

Obviously a far superior prospect, but thats the guy that I keep coming back to.

A rich man Matt Barnes, Terrence Williams + finishing ability?/ really?

Terrence Williams is 6'5 and has a below bbiq.  That is why he is no longer in the league
Yeah, I think it's safe to say he will be somewhere between Terrence Williams and Lebron James.
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Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2017, 12:09:45 PM »

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He is now the #3 prospect on the draftexpress board.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

3. Josh Jackson   
SF (Kansas - Freshman)   
19.9 years old | 6'8" | 203 lbs
2016-17 NCAA (21 GP)
15.7 PPG       6.7 RPG       3.1 APG       24.6 PER


Keep in mind he plays way better defense than either Fultz or Ball.

And defense is half of the game.

Is defense really half the game? How come guys like Tony Allen and Thabo Sefolosha are overlooked for massive contracts/All Star games that James Harden and Carmelo Anthony get?

I think offense is valued at 1.5-2x as much as defense in the NBA.

Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2017, 12:12:39 PM »

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He is now the #3 prospect on the draftexpress board.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

3. Josh Jackson   
SF (Kansas - Freshman)   
19.9 years old | 6'8" | 203 lbs
2016-17 NCAA (21 GP)
15.7 PPG       6.7 RPG       3.1 APG       24.6 PER


Keep in mind he plays way better defense than either Fultz or Ball.

And defense is half of the game.

Is defense really half the game? How come guys like Tony Allen and Thabo Sefolosha are overlooked for massive contracts/All Star games that James Harden and Carmelo Anthony get?

I think offense is valued at 1.5-2x as much as defense in the NBA.

Yes but smart teams know defense is worth at least half

The spurs are the spurs bc of leonards defense

No knock on timely offense required. But defense wins championships.

Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2017, 12:13:16 PM »

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honestly the guy he reminds me of the most is terrence williams + finishing ability.

Obviously a far superior prospect, but thats the guy that I keep coming back to.

A rich man Matt Barnes, Terrence Williams + finishing ability?/ really?

Terrence Williams is 6'5 and has a below bbiq.  That is why he is no longer in the league
Yeah, I think it's safe to say he will be somewhere between Terrence Williams and Lebron James.

So you finally agree... A poor man Lebron

Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2017, 12:19:40 PM »

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He is now the #3 prospect on the draftexpress board.

http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

3. Josh Jackson   
SF (Kansas - Freshman)   
19.9 years old | 6'8" | 203 lbs
2016-17 NCAA (21 GP)
15.7 PPG       6.7 RPG       3.1 APG       24.6 PER


Keep in mind he plays way better defense than either Fultz or Ball.

And defense is half of the game.

Is defense really half the game? How come guys like Tony Allen and Thabo Sefolosha are overlooked for massive contracts/All Star games that James Harden and Carmelo Anthony get?

I think offense is valued at 1.5-2x as much as defense in the NBA.

I think you are right when it comes to individuals. I think this is due to the fact that there is a relatively wider range of effective offensive output than effective defensive output by individual players. So the value is found in the variance from player to player. The difference between most defensive players is less so there is less relative space for value to be found.

Basketball is an offensive sport, so the default is scoring. No one shuts down an offense by themselves, but one player can create offense (for themselves and others).

Of course, this changes when talking about team defense and I think it's generally accepted that individually good defenders will contribute better to good team defense.

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« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2017, 12:32:35 PM »

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Going to have to keep an eye on the investigation of a rape at KU.

Five players have been named as witnesses - no charges - and the list includes Jackson.
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Re: Josh Jackson Thread (Merged)
« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2017, 12:58:13 PM »

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Going to have to keep an eye on the investigation of a rape at KU.

Five players have been named as witnesses - no charges - and the list includes Jackson.

I read as a witness , not accused