Trading for Vucevic (merged rumor threads)

[Darío SpanishFan]

So, as I said, it wasn't true.

Hayward likes playing for Utah, period. And Utah is a playoff team. But Utah is not a lock to play beyond the first round, which may move Hayward into not-so-happy mood.

Also, Hayward surely remembers how some years ago Utah was reluctant to give him max money and so he had to sign an offer sheet with CHA/NO (I can't remember) to get that contract.

Here in Boston, the most heralded franchise in the league, he has a good environment, fans, his college coach and a team built to win for the next years.

So... Are you sure we don't have a chance to get him? Even a remote one? 

[boscel33]

I've been on  board for trading for this guy, and some people believe we can get him fairly cheap, including one suggestion was players to match $ plus Guerschon Yabusele.  We also might have to take CJ Watson back in the deal.

[Roy H.]

So, as I said, it wasn't true.

Hayward likes playing for Utah, period. And Utah is a playoff team. But Utah is not a lock to play beyond the first round, which may move Hayward into not-so-happy mood.

Also, Hayward surely remembers how some years ago Utah was reluctant to give him max money and so he had to sign an offer sheet with CHA/NO (I can't remember) to get that contract.

Here in Boston, the most heralded franchise in the league, he has a good environment, fans, his college coach and a team built to win for the next years.

So... Are you sure we don't have a chance to get him? Even a remote one? 

Yeah, Horford was seemingly happy on a perpetual playoff team. So was Durant, allegedly.

I'd probably wait until the off-season on Vucevic, or any of the other good but not great options.

[Big333223]

So, as I said, it wasn't true.

Hayward likes playing for Utah, period. And Utah is a playoff team. But Utah is not a lock to play beyond the first round, which may move Hayward into not-so-happy mood.

Also, Hayward surely remembers how some years ago Utah was reluctant to give him max money and so he had to sign an offer sheet with CHA/NO (I can't remember) to get that contract.

Here in Boston, the most heralded franchise in the league, he has a good environment, fans, his college coach and a team built to win for the next years.

So... Are you sure we don't have a chance to get him? Even a remote one? 

Yeah, Horford was seemingly happy on a perpetual playoff team. So was Durant, allegedly.

I'd probably wait until the off-season on Vucevic, or any of the other good but not great options.

I think there's a remote chance, but only remote. Horford probably wouldn't be on the C's now if Atlanta had been willing to max him out. All indications are that Utah is going to give Hayward the max which means he'd have to leave a playoff team that he likes and give up a ton of money to come to Boston. It wouldn't be the craziest thing to ever happen but I don't think it's reasonable to ignore a good deal today just in case that situation occurs later.

[Geo123]

You aren't getting him on the cheap.  Their GM's job is on the line and a deal like that would make things worse for him.

[Roy H.]

So, as I said, it wasn't true.

Hayward likes playing for Utah, period. And Utah is a playoff team. But Utah is not a lock to play beyond the first round, which may move Hayward into not-so-happy mood.

Also, Hayward surely remembers how some years ago Utah was reluctant to give him max money and so he had to sign an offer sheet with CHA/NO (I can't remember) to get that contract.

Here in Boston, the most heralded franchise in the league, he has a good environment, fans, his college coach and a team built to win for the next years.

So... Are you sure we don't have a chance to get him? Even a remote one? 

Yeah, Horford was seemingly happy on a perpetual playoff team. So was Durant, allegedly.

I'd probably wait until the off-season on Vucevic, or any of the other good but not great options.

I think there's a remote chance, but only remote. Horford probably wouldn't be on the C's now if Atlanta had been willing to max him out. All indications are that Utah is going to give Hayward the max which means he'd have to leave a playoff team that he likes and give up a ton of money to come to Boston. It wouldn't be the craziest thing to ever happen but I don't think it's reasonable to ignore a good deal today just in case that situation occurs later.

The difference for Hayward over the first four years of the contract is only like $6 million or something (according to the media). If he wants to bet on himself, that 5th year may not be as important as some think.

[Moranis]

So, as I said, it wasn't true.

Hayward likes playing for Utah, period. And Utah is a playoff team. But Utah is not a lock to play beyond the first round, which may move Hayward into not-so-happy mood.

Also, Hayward surely remembers how some years ago Utah was reluctant to give him max money and so he had to sign an offer sheet with CHA/NO (I can't remember) to get that contract.

Here in Boston, the most heralded franchise in the league, he has a good environment, fans, his college coach and a team built to win for the next years.

So... Are you sure we don't have a chance to get him? Even a remote one? 

Yeah, Horford was seemingly happy on a perpetual playoff team. So was Durant, allegedly.

I'd probably wait until the off-season on Vucevic, or any of the other good but not great options.

I think there's a remote chance, but only remote. Horford probably wouldn't be on the C's now if Atlanta had been willing to max him out. All indications are that Utah is going to give Hayward the max which means he'd have to leave a playoff team that he likes and give up a ton of money to come to Boston. It wouldn't be the craziest thing to ever happen but I don't think it's reasonable to ignore a good deal today just in case that situation occurs later.

The difference for Hayward over the first four years of the contract is only like $6 million or something (according to the media). If he wants to bet on himself, that 5th year may not be as important as some think.

It depends on what he wants to do.  Here is an article that lays out a bunch of options for him.  He will earn the most money staying in Utah, especially if he makes an All NBA team and can become a designated veteran.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=42729511&nid=304&title=gordon-hayward-has-a-lot-of-options-for-his-next-big-contract

[boscel33]

You aren't getting him on the cheap.  Their GM's job is on the line and a deal like that would make things worse for him.

I agree, was only reading this story:

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2017/01/27/orlando-magic-rumors-boston-celtics-eyeing-nikola-vucevic/

[saltlover]

You aren't getting him on the cheap.  Their GM's job is on the line and a deal like that would make things worse for him.

I agree, was only reading this story:

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2017/01/27/orlando-magic-rumors-boston-celtics-eyeing-nikola-vucevic/

That story was talked about earlier in this thread.  That website doesn't put out any new information, and they were just quoting Blakely, who seems to be the least plugged in "insider" of all the NBA.  If A. Sherrod says it, you should pretty much assume it has no chance of happening.

[Big333223]

So, as I said, it wasn't true.

Hayward likes playing for Utah, period. And Utah is a playoff team. But Utah is not a lock to play beyond the first round, which may move Hayward into not-so-happy mood.

Also, Hayward surely remembers how some years ago Utah was reluctant to give him max money and so he had to sign an offer sheet with CHA/NO (I can't remember) to get that contract.

Here in Boston, the most heralded franchise in the league, he has a good environment, fans, his college coach and a team built to win for the next years.

So... Are you sure we don't have a chance to get him? Even a remote one? 

Yeah, Horford was seemingly happy on a perpetual playoff team. So was Durant, allegedly.

I'd probably wait until the off-season on Vucevic, or any of the other good but not great options.

I think there's a remote chance, but only remote. Horford probably wouldn't be on the C's now if Atlanta had been willing to max him out. All indications are that Utah is going to give Hayward the max which means he'd have to leave a playoff team that he likes and give up a ton of money to come to Boston. It wouldn't be the craziest thing to ever happen but I don't think it's reasonable to ignore a good deal today just in case that situation occurs later.

The difference for Hayward over the first four years of the contract is only like $6 million or something (according to the media). If he wants to bet on himself, that 5th year may not be as important as some think.

It depends on what he wants to do.  Here is an article that lays out a bunch of options for him.  He will earn the most money staying in Utah, especially if he makes an All NBA team and can become a designated veteran.

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=42729511&nid=304&title=gordon-hayward-has-a-lot-of-options-for-his-next-big-contract

TP for the article.

It's not crazy to think Hayward might come here, it just seems like it makes the most sense that he'd stay home. And even if he didn't, the article points out that the Celtics would likely be bidding against other teams for his services, so there's no guarantee even if he did leave.

But I still think this is beside the point when we're talking about Vucevic. If the Celtics were to trade for him and then get a shot at someone like Hayward or Griffin or Durant, Vucevic would be very easy to move (Dallas comes to mind) in order to make necessary space.

[liam]

These marginal trades remind me of the Tony Delk, Rodney Rogers for Joe Johnson and a 1st round pick trade idea. You go for broke but it doesn't get the job done and you mortgage the future for a small quick upgrade. I think we should stand pat unless we can go for the ring!

[Big333223]

These marginal trades remind me of the Tony Delk, Rodney Rogers for Joe Johnson and a 1st round pick trade idea. You go for broke but it doesn't get the job done and you mortgage the future for a small quick upgrade. I think we should stand pat unless we can go for the ring!

2 years ago, Vucevic was a borderline all star averaging 19-11. But the Magic organization is terrible and the team sucks and he's had some injury issues. He's no guarantee but if he came to Boston and fit in well, he could potentially be an all star here some day. He's definitely got more upside than Rodney Rogers or Tony Delk ever had.

I'll add that I'm not giving up the farm to bring in Vuc. Only if Orlando is looking to move him and he could get got for a reasonable price. No Brklyn picks, no major rotation guys.

[Ogaju]

that I believe is the type of deal we need. A Vucevic who fills a need without compromising our overall development strategy. We get a player like Vucevic he fills our need for a big man but more importantly allows us to keep our core and long-term development strategy.