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I also think Jonathon Isaac has a shot at being a top 3 pick, and I'd put him up there my in top 3 overall prospects.

In fact I'd put him as my 2nd preference behind Fultz.

If he puts on muscle he has the size and skill to become a franchise player once he grows into his body. He's a center version of Paul George- an ultra modern stretch 5 man that can protect the basket and hit the 3.

I think arguably has more franchise player potential than anyone else in this draft given his age and measurements+athleticism.

He is an excellent defender with insane agility for a big man when defending the perimeter...could be an All defensive player and All Star scorer. Massive impact on both ends.

I thought I was the only one that was this high on Isaac. There's defensive and rebounding potential with his reach, can handle the ball at his size and a shooting touch?!

Those are not bad base skills to have entering the league. Since the season started and everyone thought Nets would finish top 5 at worst, I always had this feeling this was Danny's guy. I wouldn't be too upset with him at #2.

What's the latest you think he'd be available? Like, if we end up with the best lottery odds but get the #4 pick anyway, would he still be there?
I think the lowest he should go is like 5. Personally, him and Tatum are tied for 2nd behind fultz.

If jackson is there at 5 would you be tempted to trade the #1 or 2 pick for the two 76ers top 10 1sts??

Lets say the Celts dont win the 1st pick. Have the #2. 76ers want Ball badly...
I would never let the Sixers have Ball or Fultz.

We need one of those two players along with Brown to compete with the Sixers 4-5 years from now. If they end up with either it's going to be Sixers domination for a long time.

Is that the same domination the Thunder enjoyed, or is it more like the Wizards and their "backcourt of the future" domination?
If the Thunder kept all three guys they would be winning titles and I don't think anyone who's opinion was valued thought the Wizards were a lock to contend with Beal and Wall.

Embiid Simmons and Fultz would make the Wolves trio who a lot of people consider a future contender look average.

Quite a few assumptions there, considering Embiid has yet to play a whole season, and Simmons and Fultz haven't even played a single NBA game.

Then again, Embiid is apparently the new Anthony Davis...or KAT, or one of those other rookie sensations people are drooling over.
I think Embiid is showing to be the best of that group of big men and it might not be close.

Adding Simmons and Fultz is just not fair to the rest of the league. If it happens all the smart money would be on them to be contenders down the road. You would seriously bet against it?


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I also think Jonathon Isaac has a shot at being a top 3 pick, and I'd put him up there my in top 3 overall prospects.

In fact I'd put him as my 2nd preference behind Fultz.

If he puts on muscle he has the size and skill to become a franchise player once he grows into his body. He's a center version of Paul George- an ultra modern stretch 5 man that can protect the basket and hit the 3.

I think arguably has more franchise player potential than anyone else in this draft given his age and measurements+athleticism.

He is an excellent defender with insane agility for a big man when defending the perimeter...could be an All defensive player and All Star scorer. Massive impact on both ends.

I thought I was the only one that was this high on Isaac. There's defensive and rebounding potential with his reach, can handle the ball at his size and a shooting touch?!

Those are not bad base skills to have entering the league. Since the season started and everyone thought Nets would finish top 5 at worst, I always had this feeling this was Danny's guy. I wouldn't be too upset with him at #2.

What's the latest you think he'd be available? Like, if we end up with the best lottery odds but get the #4 pick anyway, would he still be there?

We have a guaranteed shot at him at this point. Most of the team picking in the top 5(aside from us) have a dire need at PG, he'll be there at #4.

For the C's this is who I want at each respective spot.

1. Fultz/Ball (draft's a gamble and both could be really special)
2. Ball/Fultz
3. Jackson/Isaac (tools to succeed in the NBA, will be similar reasoning to the pick Danny made last year)
4.Isaac/Monk/Tatum (we can add that size we need and/or add more firepower to the rotation)

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I also think Jonathon Isaac has a shot at being a top 3 pick, and I'd put him up there my in top 3 overall prospects.

In fact I'd put him as my 2nd preference behind Fultz.

If he puts on muscle he has the size and skill to become a franchise player once he grows into his body. He's a center version of Paul George- an ultra modern stretch 5 man that can protect the basket and hit the 3.

I think arguably has more franchise player potential than anyone else in this draft given his age and measurements+athleticism.

He is an excellent defender with insane agility for a big man when defending the perimeter...could be an All defensive player and All Star scorer. Massive impact on both ends.

I thought I was the only one that was this high on Isaac. There's defensive and rebounding potential with his reach, can handle the ball at his size and a shooting touch?!

Those are not bad base skills to have entering the league. Since the season started and everyone thought Nets would finish top 5 at worst, I always had this feeling this was Danny's guy. I wouldn't be too upset with him at #2.

What's the latest you think he'd be available? Like, if we end up with the best lottery odds but get the #4 pick anyway, would he still be there?
I think the lowest he should go is like 5. Personally, him and Tatum are tied for 2nd behind fultz.

If jackson is there at 5 would you be tempted to trade the #1 or 2 pick for the two 76ers top 10 1sts??

Lets say the Celts dont win the 1st pick. Have the #2. 76ers want Ball badly...
I would never let the Sixers have Ball or Fultz.

We need one of those two players along with Brown to compete with the Sixers 4-5 years from now. If they end up with either it's going to be Sixers domination for a long time.

Is that the same domination the Thunder enjoyed, or is it more like the Wizards and their "backcourt of the future" domination?
If the Thunder kept all three guys they would be winning titles and I don't think anyone who's opinion was valued thought the Wizards were a lock to contend with Beal and Wall.

Embiid Simmons and Fultz would make the Wolves trio who a lot of people consider a future contender look average.

Quite a few assumptions there, considering Embiid has yet to play a whole season, and Simmons and Fultz haven't even played a single NBA game.

Then again, Embiid is apparently the new Anthony Davis...or KAT, or one of those other rookie sensations people are drooling over.
I think Embiid is showing to be the best of that group of big men and it might not be close.

Adding Simmons and Fultz is just not fair to the rest of the league. If it happens all the smart money would be on them to be contenders down the road. You would seriously bet against it?

Simmons hasnt shown anything yet

In pre season his defense was shoddy at best

I do agree at best it could be a dangerous trio...

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I also think Jonathon Isaac has a shot at being a top 3 pick, and I'd put him up there my in top 3 overall prospects.

In fact I'd put him as my 2nd preference behind Fultz.

If he puts on muscle he has the size and skill to become a franchise player once he grows into his body. He's a center version of Paul George- an ultra modern stretch 5 man that can protect the basket and hit the 3.

I think arguably has more franchise player potential than anyone else in this draft given his age and measurements+athleticism.

He is an excellent defender with insane agility for a big man when defending the perimeter...could be an All defensive player and All Star scorer. Massive impact on both ends.

I thought I was the only one that was this high on Isaac. There's defensive and rebounding potential with his reach, can handle the ball at his size and a shooting touch?!

Those are not bad base skills to have entering the league. Since the season started and everyone thought Nets would finish top 5 at worst, I always had this feeling this was Danny's guy. I wouldn't be too upset with him at #2.

What's the latest you think he'd be available? Like, if we end up with the best lottery odds but get the #4 pick anyway, would he still be there?
I think the lowest he should go is like 5. Personally, him and Tatum are tied for 2nd behind fultz.

If jackson is there at 5 would you be tempted to trade the #1 or 2 pick for the two 76ers top 10 1sts??

Lets say the Celts dont win the 1st pick. Have the #2. 76ers want Ball badly...
I would never let the Sixers have Ball or Fultz.

We need one of those two players along with Brown to compete with the Sixers 4-5 years from now. If they end up with either it's going to be Sixers domination for a long time.

Is that the same domination the Thunder enjoyed, or is it more like the Wizards and their "backcourt of the future" domination?
If the Thunder kept all three guys they would be winning titles and I don't think anyone who's opinion was valued thought the Wizards were a lock to contend with Beal and Wall.

Embiid Simmons and Fultz would make the Wolves trio who a lot of people consider a future contender look average.

Quite a few assumptions there, considering Embiid has yet to play a whole season, and Simmons and Fultz haven't even played a single NBA game.

Then again, Embiid is apparently the new Anthony Davis...or KAT, or one of those other rookie sensations people are drooling over.
I think Embiid is showing to be the best of that group of big men and it might not be close.

Adding Simmons and Fultz is just not fair to the rest of the league. If it happens all the smart money would be on them to be contenders down the road. You would seriously bet against it?

No, and I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think it's a bit too early to declare a 76ers domination when they're still struggling to break .400 ball.

What if there's another big man this draft who turns out even better than Embiid? Or next year?

I think right now, Philly should be more concerned about not losing half the "assets" they accumulated over the last three years in free agency.
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How does jackson compare to simmons?

If you think about it , similar kind of players

Except jackson is a better defensive player . Simmons a little flashier on the offensive end. A little bigger...

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I also think Jonathon Isaac has a shot at being a top 3 pick, and I'd put him up there my in top 3 overall prospects.

In fact I'd put him as my 2nd preference behind Fultz.

If he puts on muscle he has the size and skill to become a franchise player once he grows into his body. He's a center version of Paul George- an ultra modern stretch 5 man that can protect the basket and hit the 3.

I think arguably has more franchise player potential than anyone else in this draft given his age and measurements+athleticism.

He is an excellent defender with insane agility for a big man when defending the perimeter...could be an All defensive player and All Star scorer. Massive impact on both ends.

I thought I was the only one that was this high on Isaac. There's defensive and rebounding potential with his reach, can handle the ball at his size and a shooting touch?!

Those are not bad base skills to have entering the league. Since the season started and everyone thought Nets would finish top 5 at worst, I always had this feeling this was Danny's guy. I wouldn't be too upset with him at #2.

What's the latest you think he'd be available? Like, if we end up with the best lottery odds but get the #4 pick anyway, would he still be there?
I think the lowest he should go is like 5. Personally, him and Tatum are tied for 2nd behind fultz.

If jackson is there at 5 would you be tempted to trade the #1 or 2 pick for the two 76ers top 10 1sts??

Lets say the Celts dont win the 1st pick. Have the #2. 76ers want Ball badly...
I would never let the Sixers have Ball or Fultz.

We need one of those two players along with Brown to compete with the Sixers 4-5 years from now. If they end up with either it's going to be Sixers domination for a long time.

Is that the same domination the Thunder enjoyed, or is it more like the Wizards and their "backcourt of the future" domination?
If the Thunder kept all three guys they would be winning titles and I don't think anyone who's opinion was valued thought the Wizards were a lock to contend with Beal and Wall.

Embiid Simmons and Fultz would make the Wolves trio who a lot of people consider a future contender look average.

Quite a few assumptions there, considering Embiid has yet to play a whole season, and Simmons and Fultz haven't even played a single NBA game.

Then again, Embiid is apparently the new Anthony Davis...or KAT, or one of those other rookie sensations people are drooling over.
I think Embiid is showing to be the best of that group of big men and it might not be close.

Adding Simmons and Fultz is just not fair to the rest of the league. If it happens all the smart money would be on them to be contenders down the road. You would seriously bet against it?

No, and I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think it's a bit too early to declare a 76ers domination when they're still struggling to break .400 ball.

What if there's another big man this draft who turns out even better than Embiid? Or next year?

I think right now, Philly should be more concerned about not losing half the "assets" they accumulated over the last three years in free agency.
You definitely are making valid points. I just wouldn't be inclined to help the Sixers land Fultz if they wanted to trade up. There's way too much potential on that team already. They don't need anymore help.

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How does jackson compare to simmons?

If you think about it , similar kind of players

Except jackson is a better defensive player . Simmons a little flashier on the offensive end. A little bigger...
Still a team with Simmons as the third best player is going to be tough

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How does jackson compare to simmons?

If you think about it , similar kind of players

Except jackson is a better defensive player . Simmons a little flashier on the offensive end. A little bigger...
Still a team with Simmons as the third best player is going to be tough

Sux.... Hope they keep winning. Go Embiid

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How does jackson compare to simmons?

If you think about it , similar kind of players

Except jackson is a better defensive player . Simmons a little flashier on the offensive end. A little bigger...
Still a team with Simmons as the third best player is going to be tough

Sux.... Hope they keep winning. Go Embiid
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How does jackson compare to simmons?

If you think about it , similar kind of players

Except jackson is a better defensive player . Simmons a little flashier on the offensive end. A little bigger...
Simmons is much bigger and a better passer. Jackson is a superior athlete and probably scorer.
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I also think Jonathon Isaac has a shot at being a top 3 pick, and I'd put him up there my in top 3 overall prospects.

In fact I'd put him as my 2nd preference behind Fultz.

If he puts on muscle he has the size and skill to become a franchise player once he grows into his body. He's a center version of Paul George- an ultra modern stretch 5 man that can protect the basket and hit the 3.

I think arguably has more franchise player potential than anyone else in this draft given his age and measurements+athleticism.

He is an excellent defender with insane agility for a big man when defending the perimeter...could be an All defensive player and All Star scorer. Massive impact on both ends.

I thought I was the only one that was this high on Isaac. There's defensive and rebounding potential with his reach, can handle the ball at his size and a shooting touch?!

Those are not bad base skills to have entering the league. Since the season started and everyone thought Nets would finish top 5 at worst, I always had this feeling this was Danny's guy. I wouldn't be too upset with him at #2.

What's the latest you think he'd be available? Like, if we end up with the best lottery odds but get the #4 pick anyway, would he still be there?
I think the lowest he should go is like 5. Personally, him and Tatum are tied for 2nd behind fultz.

If jackson is there at 5 would you be tempted to trade the #1 or 2 pick for the two 76ers top 10 1sts??

Lets say the Celts dont win the 1st pick. Have the #2. 76ers want Ball badly...
I would never let the Sixers have Ball or Fultz.

We need one of those two players along with Brown to compete with the Sixers 4-5 years from now. If they end up with either it's going to be Sixers domination for a long time.

Is that the same domination the Thunder enjoyed, or is it more like the Wizards and their "backcourt of the future" domination?
If the Thunder kept all three guys they would be winning titles and I don't think anyone who's opinion was valued thought the Wizards were a lock to contend with Beal and Wall.

Embiid Simmons and Fultz would make the Wolves trio who a lot of people consider a future contender look average.

Quite a few assumptions there, considering Embiid has yet to play a whole season, and Simmons and Fultz haven't even played a single NBA game.

Then again, Embiid is apparently the new Anthony Davis...or KAT, or one of those other rookie sensations people are drooling over.
I think Embiid is showing to be the best of that group of big men and it might not be close.

Adding Simmons and Fultz is just not fair to the rest of the league. If it happens all the smart money would be on them to be contenders down the road. You would seriously bet against it?

No, and I'm not saying you're wrong, I just think it's a bit too early to declare a 76ers domination when they're still struggling to break .400 ball.

What if there's another big man this draft who turns out even better than Embiid? Or next year?

I think right now, Philly should be more concerned about not losing half the "assets" they accumulated over the last three years in free agency.
There is absolutely not a better player (not just big) than Embiid in this draft and I highly doubt there will be anyone in Embiid's class in next year's draft either.  Centers who can dominate on offense and defense just don't come around very often but then you have to add his versatility on offense and defense, his high BBIQ and especially his drive to be the best. 

The Sixers losing half their assets in free agency is a bogus claim.  Below are their young players (1st, 2nd and undrafted players) with their current contract year (all 4 year contracts).  They don't need to be concerned with losing anyone.  Noel could walk for nothing and it would have little impact on their rebuild.  Embiid will sign a max extension this offseason.  I've also listed all their picks over the next three drafts.  They also have great cap space.  Their rebuild is looking real good with the only significant concern being Embiid's health. 

4th:  Noel
3rd:  Embiid, Stauskas, Covington
2nd: Okafor, Holmes, McConnell 
1st:  Simmons, Saric, Luwawu
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Future picks (next 3 years):  All their own picks (with Kings pick swap in 2017), Lakers (top3 in 2017, unprotected 2018),  Kings 2019 (unprotected) plus 8 2nd round picks

Re: If it is between Fultz, Ball, Jackson - who should the Celtics pick? (Poll)
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2017, 12:31:40 PM »

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Since this thread was created , have you changed your mind?

Im still sticking with Jackson

Re: If it is between Fultz, Ball, Jackson - who should the Celtics pick? (Poll)
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2017, 12:38:19 PM »

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I don't know anything about college basketball, But Fults looks like a very good kid, humble, hardworking- similar to Brown. Celtics put great emphasis on drafting character.
(I am saying that based on news and following him on social media)
 

Re: If it is between Fultz, Ball, Jackson - who should the Celtics pick? (Poll)
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Re: If it is between Fultz, Ball, Jackson - who should the Celtics pick? (Poll)
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100% Fultz!

And to keep!  Not to trade. Size, length, shooting, passing, IQ, rebounding, defense, all of the above!

More importantly, he would fit in with everyone on this roster, particularly the platoon of guards we have.  He is literally interchangeable with anyone in the backcourt.  He'd be especially dangerous with Isaiah.  I say all of this because if u keep and build around him it gives Danny even more flexibility. On who to dangle in the trade market, who to target in free agency, a contingency plan for IT (if necessary).

Fultz all the way!