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Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« on: January 14, 2017, 03:16:26 PM »

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http://hoopshabit.com/2017/01/14/stan-van-gundys-identity-crisis-in-detroit/
Looks like Van Gundy is not doing well. I personally never liked him as a coach. I watched some last night and he could not seem to get his point across to his player. I think having a dual role hurts a team Hopefully he will be on some more short sides of trades and be out of coaching agan. I think the league has past him by but i said the Cavs were over Tyron Lue's head last year and I was WRONG. But i WILL rejoice in Stan's failure for now.
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Re: Van Gundy failing in Detriot.
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http://hoopshabit.com/2017/01/14/stan-van-gundys-identity-crisis-in-detroit/
Looks like Van Gundy is not doing well. I personally never liked him as a coach. I watched some last night and he could not seem to get his point across to his player. I think having a dual role hurts a team Hopefully he will be on some more short sides of trades and be out of coaching agan. I think the league has past him by but i said the Cavs were over Tyron Lue's head last year and I was WRONG. But i WILL rejoice in Stan's failure for now.
Its hard to judge Lebron's coaches. I personally think Blatt was better than Lue, but Lebron liked Lue and thats really all that mattered.
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Is Lue the Coach or LeBron? I don't hold a lot of credibility in the coach of a team that has the "best" player on it with other pieces. I always thought that Phil Jackson was overrated because he never coached without arguably the best player on his team. I'm sure I will get a lot of heat for that but it's my opinion. I really don't know how good of a coach that Steve Kerr is either.

There are a lot of very good coaches out there and you can see their coaching skills without having the best players on their team.

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Is Lue the Coach or LeBron? I don't hold a lot of credibility in the coach of a team that has the "best" player on it with other pieces. I always thought that Phil Jackson was overrated because he never coached without arguably the best player on his team. I'm sure I will get a lot of heat for that but it's my opinion. I really don't know how good of a coach that Steve Kerr is either.

There are a lot of very good coaches out there and you can see their coaching skills without having the best players on their team.
Yeah I think Kerr's COTY award wasnt really deserved, but when a team wins 73 games you cant really complain.
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I mean if SVG was the coach of the Cavs do you think they will be as good as they are now? Of course they would be - maybe better. And he wouldn't be so angry all the time as he can just give the ball to LBJ and win games.

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I mean if SVG was the coach of the Cavs do you think they will be as good as they are now? Of course they would be - maybe better. And he wouldn't be so angry all the time as he can just give the ball to LBJ and win games.
I don't know about that.  SVG has a specific style he is good at, but if he doesn't have the perfect players for his style he doesn't win.  Cleveland would be a terrible fit for SVG's style of coaching and frankly I think Lue is a pretty darn good coach.  Obviously it is hard to truly judge someone with as little experience as Lue has, especially when he has the best player in the world on his team, but I thought Lue did a great job of making adjustments against the Warriors in the Finals and he outcoached Kerr by a wide margin.
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Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2017, 09:00:58 AM »

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I like SVG. Every team hits a tough stretch.
I won't count them out just yet.
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I like SVG. Every team hits a tough stretch.
I won't count them out just yet.

Yeah it happens. Between Stan and Jeff though, I like Jeff more as a coach.

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I like SVG. Every team hits a tough stretch.
I won't count them out just yet.
They still could make some noise.  SVG is a good coach, but I have seen him "lose" his players before.  The coach always gets more credit than they deserve for winning (e.g., Kerr) and more blame than they deserve for losing.

What happened to Stanley Johnson? I wanted him for the C's back in the draft.

SVG made a good move to bring in Tobias Harris for a couple of vets, but now they just seem like a mismatched set of loose bolts.

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2017, 09:54:00 AM »

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I like SVG. Every team hits a tough stretch.
I won't count them out just yet.

Yeah, it happens. Between Stan and Jeff, though, I like Jeff more as a coach.
I kind of view Jeff as an analyst, and a good one at that. But he has been broadcasting last 10 years.
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need to shoot more 3's.

Unfortunately Drummond looks like he won't be much more than a Deandre Jordan level player at this stage. Hurts the offensive spacing and gets less rebounds as they shoot more threes.
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Veteran teams like the Cavs seem to prefer former player coaches like Lue. Who also aren't afraid to tell it like it is (e.g., will stand up to Lebron, which Blatt would not).

KC Jones was not a great x's and o's coach like Bill Fitch, but was a better coach for that team because he knew the player's mind set better, enough to get out of the way of the players.

Why I like Stevens is that he seems to be a blend of a great tactician while at the same time lacks the ego of those types of coaches (e.g., Stan Van Gundy, Bill Fitch, George Karl, Larry Brown).  That is very rare in the NBA coaching circles.

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Tonight will Be a good test for them against Atlanta at Home. Especially since SVG had the kiss of death vote of confidence.
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I like SVG. Every team hits a tough stretch.
I won't count them out just yet.
They still could make some noise.  SVG is a good coach, but I have seen him "lose" his players before.  The coach always gets more credit than they deserve for winning (e.g., Kerr) and more blame than they deserve for losing.

What happened to Stanley Johnson? I wanted him for the C's back in the draft.

SVG made a good move to bring in Tobias Harris for a couple of vets, but now they just seem like a mismatched set of loose bolts.

I think SVG the GM doesn't work well with SVG the coach. He brings in, either via trade, draft, or singing, players that he doesn't utilize as a coach.

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I also do not like the coach-GM combo.

But SVG is one of my fave coaches, I believe the Pistons will make it to the playoffs.