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Re: Van Gundy failing in Detriot.
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2017, 09:17:11 AM »

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I mean if SVG was the coach of the Cavs do you think they will be as good as they are now? Of course they would be - maybe better. And he wouldn't be so angry all the time as he can just give the ball to LBJ and win games.
I thought Detroit was going to be a very good team this year based on how they finished last year after acquiring Harris.  I thought another year together would have them as a low 50's win team.  I'm very surprised at how bad they have looked at times and how mediocre (at best) they have been on the season. 
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Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2017, 09:24:06 AM »

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Stan Van Gundy is not failing in Detroit.

Detroit have had a major injury to Reggie Jackson. He has missed half the season so far with injury and just as the team was learning to play without him, he returns and the chemistry is disrupted. Jackson, while he has returned, is still not up to full speed. He is recovering while playing and is not having the same effect on the court. His defense in particular is not where it should be. Causing further disruption to the team.

The problems in Detroit will resolve themselves over time once Reggie Jackson fully recovers from his injury and gets back to where he was last season and when the team reestablishes it's chemistry with him in the lineup.

Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2017, 10:51:42 AM »

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I also do not like the coach-GM combo.

But SVG is one of my fave coaches, I believe the Pistons will make it to the playoffs.
It takes a rare breed to handle both postions. He is down on Jackson he traded for him one and then gave him the contract. Ish is a better fit as pass first PG for this team. Nobody is going to give him value for Jackson. With 6 awesome PG's coming in to the league next year.
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Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2017, 11:19:10 AM »

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I really thought Detroit was going to be a very good team this year.  I had them pegged as a 50 win team with the way they finished last year. 
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Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2017, 11:22:47 AM »

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Stan Van Gundy is not failing in Detroit.

Detroit have had a major injury to Reggie Jackson. He has missed half the season so far with injury and just as the team was learning to play without him, he returns and the chemistry is disrupted. Jackson, while he has returned, is still not up to full speed. He is recovering while playing and is not having the same effect on the court. His defense in particular is not where it should be. Causing further disruption to the team.

The problems in Detroit will resolve themselves over time once Reggie Jackson fully recovers from his injury and gets back to where he was last season and when the team reestablishes it's chemistry with him in the lineup.

Completely agree.

Once they are adversity-free, let's see what they do.

SVG is a good coach - even if he is the spitting image of Ron Jeremy.
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Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2017, 11:25:33 AM »

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Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2017, 06:10:35 PM »

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The last years of the Joe Dumars era were basically a disaster ("the AI experiment", Ben Gordon, Charlie V signings etc.). SVG took over a very unbalanced team (e.g. playing two centers) with poor chemistry.
I think he has done a decent job of bringing in some talent and balancing the roster, but there are still challenges.
Drummond is still just a yuuge pouting kid with no BBIQ and a poor motor. I doubt he will develop to the beast everyone was expecting, regardless of coach.
Jackson's blend of low BBIQ and selfishness is also a very bad combo. Hard to fix that for a coach.
Stanley Johnson hasn't developed at all (could possibly be on the coach)
KCP is a nice player but still inconsistent. You could put Morris in this category too.

I really cannot see this team becoming relevant any time soon. Trading Jackson would be a start.



Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2017, 06:23:36 PM »

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Stan Van Gundy is not failing in Detroit.

Detroit have had a major injury to Reggie Jackson. He has missed half the season so far with injury and just as the team was learning to play without him, he returns and the chemistry is disrupted. Jackson, while he has returned, is still not up to full speed. He is recovering while playing and is not having the same effect on the court. His defense in particular is not where it should be. Causing further disruption to the team.

The problems in Detroit will resolve themselves over time once Reggie Jackson fully recovers from his injury and gets back to where he was last season and when the team reestablishes it's chemistry with him in the lineup.

Completely agree.

Once they are adversity-free, let's see what they do.

SVG is a good coach - even if he is the spitting image of Ron Jeremy.

No sentence is a good one with spitting, image, and Ron Jeremy in it.

Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2017, 06:24:21 PM »

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I thought Detroit would've at least stayed as an 8th seed this season. Tis' a shame, they play really physical... never a boring game against them.

Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2017, 04:05:13 PM »

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The last years of the Joe Dumars era were basically a disaster ("the AI experiment", Ben Gordon, Charlie V signings etc.). SVG took over a very unbalanced team (e.g. playing two centers) with poor chemistry.
I think he has done a decent job of bringing in some talent and balancing the roster, but there are still challenges.
Drummond is still just a yuuge pouting kid with no BBIQ and a poor motor. I doubt he will develop to the beast everyone was expecting, regardless of coach.
Jackson's blend of low BBIQ and selfishness is also a very bad combo. Hard to fix that for a coach.
Stanley Johnson hasn't developed at all (could possibly be on the coach)
KCP is a nice player but still inconsistent. You could put Morris in this category too.

I really cannot see this team becoming relevant any time soon. Trading Jackson would be a start.
SVG Drafted Johnson and Gave money to Jackson and Drummond hence he is failing in Detroit. We just will have to keep watching it play out. Morris looked good last night though.
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Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2017, 10:53:41 AM »

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So good to see Detroit drop like a rock. The man can not coach. Hopefully the misery will end.Jackson is back up PG making the green. Drummond looks like he counts his green instead of getting better. Practice your FT for the kind of money. Stanley Johnson looks like a bust. KCP will be a Net. Could not happen to a bigger loser then Van Gundy. I just called like I see it.
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Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2017, 11:08:49 AM »

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So good to see Detroit drop like a rock. The man can not coach. Hopefully the misery will end.Jackson is back up PG making the green. Drummond looks like he counts his green instead of getting better. Practice your FT for the kind of money. Stanley Johnson looks like a bust. KCP will be a Net. Could not happen to a bigger loser then Van Gundy. I just called like I see it.
You don't seem like the biggest fan  ;D
But I also think you're being quite too harsh upon Detroit.

As Who said, not having Reggie Jackson has hurt them considerably, considering he's a 17ppg, 6apg and 3rpg guy when he's healthy. If that's what you deem to be a back up PG then only about 10 point guards in the entire league deserve to start.

Also pretty difficult to call a guy a bust after almost two seasons, where he is only playing 17mpg this season.
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Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2017, 11:26:23 AM »

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It his not SVG's fault that Detroit's centerpiece is the worst free throw shooter in the history of basketball.

Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2017, 11:29:58 AM »

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It his not SVG's fault that Detroit's centerpiece is the worst free throw shooter in the history of basketball.

SVG is also the GM, he could have traded that centerpiece when the value was higher.

Re: Van Gundy Failing in Detroit.
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2017, 11:33:12 AM »

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It his not SVG's fault that Detroit's centerpiece is the worst free throw shooter in the history of basketball.
Andris Biedrins had some pretty rough seasons too, but I feel as though a big issue is the two roles for SVG
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