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Draft Pick Positions
« on: January 09, 2017, 02:05:56 PM »

Offline jmen788

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Honest question for basketball experts: could Fultz or Lonzo Ball be SGs on our team, or despite them being taller than IT would it be better if they played PG and Isiah at SG?

Also, could Jayson Tatum and Josh Jackson play PF? Could they be any good at PF in the NBA?

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My understanding is that out of the 2, Fultz can be very dynamic as a 2. He is a PG, but part of his enormous versatility is that he can play off the ball amazingly. It would be interesting to see who creates more offense out of IT or Fultz.

Its like he is a spot up slashing sg, who also happens to be a better point guard.

And for the forwards, I could see Tatum being good at PF due to his frame being slightly more melo/pierce ish (and he is a good rebounder) whereas Jackson has more of the Wiggins/Childress build. Kind of skinny.  Athleticism of both make them capable in todays nba however.
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I don't think there are many basketball experts taking time to talk about hypotheticals on this blog. I would assume most people are casual-diehard Celtics fans. Here's my take:

While Ball's shooting #s (.528/.432) are good, I don't think I could handle watching him jack up 3's like Antoine. Have you seen that shot? Ball has a lot of playmaking PG in him. I think Fultz is more natural #2 than Ball.

I like Giles long term over both Tatum and Jackson at #4. If we're looking for a #3, I like Tatum, then Jackson.

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I think most college programs has started running positionless ball. Most guards play both the 1 and 2. Fultz would fare better as a scorer in half court situations while Ball will be electric in transition.

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It's quite possible both could be better as SG/secondary ball-handlers.  They certainly have the size to do it.


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I think most college programs has started running positionless ball. Most guards play both the 1 and 2. Fultz would fare better as a scorer in half court situations while Ball will be electric in transition.

And also NBA teams.  Having more ball handlers is good.  Having defenders who are versatile and can switch is good.

And I have seen Ball's shot.  It goes in remarkably often, with range out to 30'.  That's what I look for in a shot.

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I think most college programs has started running positionless ball. Most guards play both the 1 and 2. Fultz would fare better as a scorer in half court situations while Ball will be electric in transition.

And also NBA teams.  Having more ball handlers is good.  Having defenders who are versatile and can switch is good.

And I have seen Ball's shot.  It goes in remarkably often, with range out to 30'.  That's what I look for in a shot.

Yeah, I think if we pick him up we'll see a lot RJ Hunter type heaves. I understand that what matters is that it goes in, I just don't see Ball being able to take a lot of contested jumpers which is a situation he will find himself in at the next level (see Marcus Smart). I think his shot wind up does take a while... we'll have to see if he can come into the NBA and hoist up 30 footers.

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It's quite possible both could be better as SG/secondary ball-handlers.  They certainly have the size to do it.




 No. Lonzo has the size, but his best attribute is his off the Charts BBIQ. Play him at PG.

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It's quite possible both could be better as SG/secondary ball-handlers.  They certainly have the size to do it.




 No. Lonzo has the size, but his best attribute is his off the Charts BBIQ. Play him at PG.
I think its more about defense here. Can they defend the 2? Isaiah is pretty good off-ball. Im not worried about the offense. The problem would be that Isaiah cant gaurd the 2.
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I really like that people really love Ball. I hope that GMs love him just as much so that they offer Ainge a gold mine for a chance to take him.

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I saw only a few minutes of Ball the night before last and he swished two super long 3s. If he is a great shooter maybe he could play the 2? I have heard a lot about Fultz and wonder about him at the 2.

If Tatum can play the 4 then he may be our guy though...

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I really like that people really love Ball. I hope that GMs love him just as much so that they offer Ainge a gold mine for a chance to take him.
I like this line of thinking. Ball is probably the best "PG" prospect since Rose and Wall. He will battle Fultz for the first pick so whoever falls in love with Ball could bring us a nice package. But I don't think there's a team out there that needs Ball, who will play point right away, that has what we need so I don't know where the fit is. This will be a very interesting off-season once the lottery is over with.

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It's quite possible both could be better as SG/secondary ball-handlers.  They certainly have the size to do it.

 No. Lonzo has the size, but his best attribute is his off the Charts BBIQ. Play him at PG.
I think its more about defense here. Can they defend the 2? Isaiah is pretty good off-ball. Im not worried about the offense. The problem would be that Isaiah cant gaurd the 2.

Lonzo won't ever be able to penetrate at an NBA level.  I'd rather have him being an elite off-ball shooter most of the time who you can occasionally run complex set plays through.  Kyle Korver/JJ Reddick with the occasional spurts of Ricky Rubio distribution.


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It's quite possible both could be better as SG/secondary ball-handlers.  They certainly have the size to do it.

 No. Lonzo has the size, but his best attribute is his off the Charts BBIQ. Play him at PG.
I think its more about defense here. Can they defend the 2? Isaiah is pretty good off-ball. Im not worried about the offense. The problem would be that Isaiah cant gaurd the 2.

Lonzo won't ever be able to penetrate at an NBA level.  I'd rather have him being an elite off-ball shooter most of the time who you can occasionally run complex set plays through.  Kyle Korver/JJ Reddick with the occasional spurts of Ricky Rubio distribution.
Its my understanding that Balls greatest strength is easily his ability as a floor general. Drafting him primarily to be a 3 point specialist doesnt seem to make sense.
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I think whoever the Celtics draft they would be best off just letting them play their natural position. Fultz and Ball are PGs you could put behind IT for a year and have Rozier be the 3rd PG or trade him. Jackson and Tatum are SFs. Drafting them would be problematic given the Brown pick so maybe go with Giles if he shows something better than he has.