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Bulls willing to deal Butler
« on: January 05, 2017, 11:31:07 PM »

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story: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/01/05/bulls-are-reportedly-shopping-jimmy-butler/

So what would you give?

Now that AB is playing so well, he becomes an attractive piece for the bulls especially with his nice contract.

2017 Nets pick + AB + Amir Johnson +2018 Celtics 1st +2019 Memphis 1st for Jimmy Butler.

Who says yes, who says no, who says maybe but...

Trade machine says yes:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j7eak5s

Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2017, 11:48:43 PM »

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Did anyone see Blakely saying we don't have enough assets to land Butler lol? I really dislike him as a writer.

Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2017, 11:53:30 PM »

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Bulls say no.  They'll want another player like Rozier at least or maybe even Smart in place of one of the lower #1's.

Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2017, 11:55:38 PM »

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Did anyone see Blakely saying we don't have enough assets to land Butler lol? I really dislike him as a writer.

That's idiotic, even more than usual for Blakely. I mean, we have more assets than most any team in the league!

Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2017, 11:20:23 PM »

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So nobody else is interested in Butler?  He's currently a 25+ ppg scorer in the NBA.  Would be an upgrade on Bradley in terms of scoring and length, and not far of a downgrade defensively, plus he could guard bigger players. 

I'd be willing to add a little to the initially suggested pot.  Jimmy is in his prime.  Could he be our 1A or 1B star player though?

Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2017, 07:07:28 PM »

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story: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/01/05/bulls-are-reportedly-shopping-jimmy-butler/

So what would you give?

Now that AB is playing so well, he becomes an attractive piece for the bulls especially with his nice contract.

2017 Nets pick + AB + Amir Johnson +2018 Celtics 1st +2019 Memphis 1st for Jimmy Butler.

Who says yes, who says no, who says maybe but...

Trade machine says yes:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j7eak5s

Are you insane ?

First, Butler is not that good. You are giving away twice as much talent as you are getting.

Second, the guy is a head case. Not as bad as Cousins maybe, but still a me-first player who is not going to lead anybody to a title.
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Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2017, 07:20:09 PM »

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story: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/01/05/bulls-are-reportedly-shopping-jimmy-butler/

So what would you give?

Now that AB is playing so well, he becomes an attractive piece for the bulls especially with his nice contract.

2017 Nets pick + AB + Amir Johnson +2018 Celtics 1st +2019 Memphis 1st for Jimmy Butler.

Who says yes, who says no, who says maybe but...

Trade machine says yes:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j7eak5s

You kind of have to pull off a trade like this at some point.  Remember, Danny tried to trade 4 first round picks for Justice Winslow once and he stinks. At least we know Jimmy Butler is good.  In a world of NBA nickels and dimes he's a quarter.  It sucks to give up Avery and Amir, but Amir is easily replaceable and Avery... well Butler would immediately have to fill his position.

 

Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2017, 07:32:16 PM »

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Even if the deal was the 2017 Brooklyn 1st + the expiring contracts of Zeller and Jerebko, I don't think I'd be that thrilled about moving for Butler.   And everyone says it would cost significantly more than that. 

If you land Butler for a deal that includes Bradley or Crowder and our key picks, you're basically going all-in on a 5 year window around 27 year old Butler, 27 year old Thomas and 30 year old Horford.  And that'd be fine, except there's a team out there that has 4 All-NBA players (two of which are MVP level) all in the 26-28 age range... and I just don't think any one player outside of LeBron James, even without loss of key players, is going to make us a real contender with that. 

Also, personally as a fan there's nothing more fun to me than watching a young guy develop into a star.  Watching Pierce develop into the player he became was so much fun.  We got to see that early development with Big Al, but he got moved and never reached his full potential.  it was a lot of fun watching Rondo bloom as well.    This 2017 draft is said to be epic.  Even if the pick falls in the 5-8 range, we're looking at someone who should be a better prospect than all the options we had available at #3 this Summer.   I want to see these kids grow.  I want to see the next Celtic great be home-grown... not some mid-peak castoff from a Bulls team that already deemed their star player not good enough to build around.

if what they say about this 2017 draft is true, this is a special one.  You don't often get a crack at a top 3 pick in a special draft.  This is how franchise players come into the world.   I'd rather gamble with that than gamble on some top 20-30 player moving the needle enough to compete with the Cavs and Warriors in this 5 year window.

Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2017, 07:55:35 PM »

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Rather keep Avery and move Crowder.

Avery is pretty much a perfect role player with serious shooting and scoring ability.

Butler is big enough to play SF.

Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2017, 07:57:15 PM »

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Even if the deal was the 2017 Brooklyn 1st + the expiring contracts of Zeller and Jerebko, I don't think I'd be that thrilled about moving for Butler.   And everyone says it would cost significantly more than that. 

If you land Butler for a deal that includes Bradley or Crowder and our key picks, you're basically going all-in on a 5 year window around 27 year old Butler, 27 year old Thomas and 30 year old Horford.  And that'd be fine, except there's a team out there that has 4 All-NBA players (two of which are MVP level) all in the 26-28 age range... and I just don't think any one player outside of LeBron James, even without loss of key players, is going to make us a real contender with that. 

Also, personally as a fan there's nothing more fun to me than watching a young guy develop into a star.  Watching Pierce develop into the player he became was so much fun.  We got to see that early development with Big Al, but he got moved and never reached his full potential.  it was a lot of fun watching Rondo bloom as well.    This 2017 draft is said to be epic.  Even if the pick falls in the 5-8 range, we're looking at someone who should be a better prospect than all the options we had available at #3 this Summer.   I want to see these kids grow.  I want to see the next Celtic great be home-grown... not some mid-peak castoff from a Bulls team that already deemed their star player not good enough to build around.

if what they say about this 2017 draft is true, this is a special one.  You don't often get a crack at a top 3 pick in a special draft.  This is how franchise players come into the world.   I'd rather gamble with that than gamble on some top 20-30 player moving the needle enough to compete with the Cavs and Warriors in this 5 year window.

I'd rather see the lottery picks get traded for someone who's already a superstar.  So far Ainge has used his lottery picks to draft a defense-first backup point-guard, Jeff Green 2.0, and well... Kelly Olynyk...   

Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2017, 07:59:46 PM »

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Even if the deal was the 2017 Brooklyn 1st + the expiring contracts of Zeller and Jerebko, I don't think I'd be that thrilled about moving for Butler.   And everyone says it would cost significantly more than that. 

If you land Butler for a deal that includes Bradley or Crowder and our key picks, you're basically going all-in on a 5 year window around 27 year old Butler, 27 year old Thomas and 30 year old Horford.  And that'd be fine, except there's a team out there that has 4 All-NBA players (two of which are MVP level) all in the 26-28 age range... and I just don't think any one player outside of LeBron James, even without loss of key players, is going to make us a real contender with that. 

Also, personally as a fan there's nothing more fun to me than watching a young guy develop into a star.  Watching Pierce develop into the player he became was so much fun.  We got to see that early development with Big Al, but he got moved and never reached his full potential.  it was a lot of fun watching Rondo bloom as well.    This 2017 draft is said to be epic.  Even if the pick falls in the 5-8 range, we're looking at someone who should be a better prospect than all the options we had available at #3 this Summer.   I want to see these kids grow.  I want to see the next Celtic great be home-grown... not some mid-peak castoff from a Bulls team that already deemed their star player not good enough to build around.

if what they say about this 2017 draft is true, this is a special one.  You don't often get a crack at a top 3 pick in a special draft.  This is how franchise players come into the world.   I'd rather gamble with that than gamble on some top 20-30 player moving the needle enough to compete with the Cavs and Warriors in this 5 year window.

I'd rather see the lottery picks get traded for someone who's already a superstar.  So far Ainge has used his lottery picks to draft a defense-first backup point-guard, Jeff Green 2.0, and well... Kelly Olynyk...
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Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2017, 08:15:16 PM »

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Not interested ANYMORE.

The price would be too high, and likely requires two of Bradley, Smart and Crowder.

That and the 2017 Nets Pick + future non-BKN picks? BIG NO.

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Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2017, 08:48:53 PM »

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Not interested ANYMORE.

The price would be too high, and likely requires two of Bradley, Smart and Crowder.

That and the 2017 Nets Pick + future non-BKN picks? BIG NO.

Totally agree ......we need a center ....Giles is looking so good.  No way we trade the 2017 or Smart < this IS our future ....and 2018 pick ......

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Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2017, 09:02:01 PM »

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Bulls losing to the Raptors 61-45 btw.

Loss puts them out of playoffs for now.
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Re: Bulls willing to deal Butler
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2017, 09:19:21 PM »

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Bulls losing to the Raptors 61-45 btw.

Loss puts them out of playoffs for now.

I soon we trade for Lopez .....he might help our dire big rim protection situation