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Re: Can we fit Cousins & Hayward?
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2016, 08:44:31 PM »

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Yes Boston could but the trade for Cousins would have to include near equal salary of players (or picks) on the books for next year.  Cousins makes 18.1 next season so that is the salary you would have to come up with.  The 2017 1st rounder would likely be in the trade and that salary could be pretty high.  To get the talent level enough you probably need to include Smart and Brown and a future 1st (maybe Boston's 2018).  So let's take a look at the salaries if that is the basic trade. 

So next year's salary numbers (with Cousins)
Horford 27.7 million
Cousins 18.1
Crowder 6.8
Thomas 6.3
Rozier 2.0
Jackson 1.4
Mickey 1.3
Zizic & Yabo 2.5
Cap Holds ~2

Total = 68.1 million (and Jackson, Mickey, Zizic, Yabu could all be let go but you would need basic cap holds for their spot)

So that means there would be enough space for Hayward, but no KO, Amir, Zeller, JJ, Green as they would all have to be waived to create the room.  It would definitely be worth while as that would give Boston 5 all star level players in the starting lineup with Rozier and Crowder on the bench.  Team is very thin pending other free agent moves, but maybe a guy like Johnson doesn't want to leave and re-signs for the vet minimum and other moves of that ilk giving Boston enough depth, but Thomas, Bradley, Hayward, Horford, and Cousins would be a scary starting five for the rest of the league to deal with.

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Re: Can we fit Cousins & Hayward?
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2016, 03:20:54 AM »

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We could create the cap space for signing Hayward and then look to trade for Cousins with our remaining assets. We couldn't trade for him and then sign Hayward without moving some core pieces. Because of the flexibility of trades against the rigidness of cap space it would be much easier to sign Hayward first.

I'd love that team

In an ideal world, this would be great, but every one of our big contracts will need to be renounced to sign Hayward in the first place. Do Smart, Brown, Rozier, Mickey, and Jackson even get us there? I suppose we could also make the first round pick, sign him, and then trade him since that contract would then count.
You'd have to sign and trade the Nets pick. Now that Hayward is added to the team it means one of Crowder or Bradley can be included in the trade as well, after that a couple of the rookie scale contracts we have would make salaries work

Re: Can we fit Cousins & Hayward?
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2016, 07:13:07 AM »

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Yes Boston could but the trade for Cousins would have to include near equal salary of players (or picks) on the books for next year.  Cousins makes 18.1 next season so that is the salary you would have to come up with.  The 2017 1st rounder would likely be in the trade and that salary could be pretty high.  To get the talent level enough you probably need to include Smart and Brown and a future 1st (maybe Boston's 2018).  So let's take a look at the salaries if that is the basic trade. 

So next year's salary numbers (with Cousins)
Horford 27.7 million
Cousins 18.1
Crowder 6.8
Thomas 6.3
Rozier 2.0
Jackson 1.4
Mickey 1.3
Zizic & Yabo 2.5
Cap Holds ~2

Total = 68.1 million (and Jackson, Mickey, Zizic, Yabu could all be let go but you would need basic cap holds for their spot)

So that means there would be enough space for Hayward, but no KO, Amir, Zeller, JJ, Green as they would all have to be waived to create the room.  It would definitely be worth while as that would give Boston 5 all star level players in the starting lineup with Rozier and Crowder on the bench.  Team is very thin pending other free agent moves, but maybe a guy like Johnson doesn't want to leave and re-signs for the vet minimum and other moves of that ilk giving Boston enough depth, but Thomas, Bradley, Hayward, Horford, and Cousins would be a scary starting five for the rest of the league to deal with.

Great insight thanks, TP's!

I find it amazing then if the cap could be so tough for us, imagine for the Warriors with Durant, Curry & Iguodala off contract this season along with multiple role players, I have a feeling Iguodala will be cut loose and Thompson may have to be traded.

Re: Can we fit Cousins & Hayward?
« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2016, 08:10:13 AM »

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Yes Boston could but the trade for Cousins would have to include near equal salary of players (or picks) on the books for next year.  Cousins makes 18.1 next season so that is the salary you would have to come up with.  The 2017 1st rounder would likely be in the trade and that salary could be pretty high.  To get the talent level enough you probably need to include Smart and Brown and a future 1st (maybe Boston's 2018).  So let's take a look at the salaries if that is the basic trade. 

So next year's salary numbers (with Cousins)
Horford 27.7 million
Cousins 18.1
Crowder 6.8
Thomas 6.3
Rozier 2.0
Jackson 1.4
Mickey 1.3
Zizic & Yabo 2.5
Cap Holds ~2

Total = 68.1 million (and Jackson, Mickey, Zizic, Yabu could all be let go but you would need basic cap holds for their spot)

So that means there would be enough space for Hayward, but no KO, Amir, Zeller, JJ, Green as they would all have to be waived to create the room.  It would definitely be worth while as that would give Boston 5 all star level players in the starting lineup with Rozier and Crowder on the bench.  Team is very thin pending other free agent moves, but maybe a guy like Johnson doesn't want to leave and re-signs for the vet minimum and other moves of that ilk giving Boston enough depth, but Thomas, Bradley, Hayward, Horford, and Cousins would be a scary starting five for the rest of the league to deal with.

Great insight thanks, TP's!

I find it amazing then if the cap could be so tough for us, imagine for the Warriors with Durant, Curry & Iguodala off contract this season along with multiple role players, I have a feeling Iguodala will be cut loose and Thompson may have to be traded.
Durant is the only guy they don't have Bird rights on.  So they sign Durant first and then re-sign Curry.  Iggy might actually be able to re-sign and actually create cap space depending on his new contract.
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