Marcus Smart needs to leave Boston or his career will never get better

[CelticPride2016]

Although how do you back up the statement of him being the most talented player. I mean how can i look bad if I tell you you are wrong lol?

Because I count defense as half of the game. Marcus gets an A+ for half of the court. That takes talent. He is playing solid pg and nailing free throws. He is still very young. He could eventually hit 35% on threes, 45% on twos and 80% on free throws with a good assist to turnover ratio. Those are modest, attainable goals within his reach to go with his hall of fame defense.

[celtics2030]

Although how do you back up the statement of him being the most talented player. I mean how can i look bad if I tell you you are wrong lol?

Because I count defense as half of the game. Marcus gets an A+ for half of the court. That takes talent. He is playing solid pg and nailing free throws. He is still very young. He could eventually hit 35% on threes, 45% on twos and 80% on free throws with a good assist to turnover ratio. Those are modest, attainable goals within his reach to go with his hall of fame defense.

LoL , "A+" , "Hall Of Fame Defense"

Im telling you , fans say the craziest things man. Throwing out these words like it's true lol.

[celtics2030]

Who cares what Elfrid Payton is doing lol. Why do people love to talk about other players on different teams lol.

He's still shooting 29.3% 3pt.

You bring up his stats, but its still an absurdly small sample size. The only advantage that Payton has over Smart is assists, and scoring.

Still doesn't change the fact the Magic are 2-8 in the last 10, and are pretty much ended towards the bottom of the lottery.

What are the advantages that Wall has over Smart?

I guess only Scoring and Assists lol.

Some fans just talk out the butt

[Monkhouse]

Although how do you back up the statement of him being the most talented player. I mean how can i look bad if I tell you you are wrong lol?

Because I count defense as half of the game. Marcus gets an A+ for half of the court. That takes talent. He is playing solid pg and nailing free throws. He is still very young. He could eventually hit 35% on threes, 45% on twos and 80% on free throws with a good assist to turnover ratio. Those are modest, attainable goals within his reach to go with his hall of fame defense.

Yeah, Smart has always hovered around 73.6% in his NBA career, which favorably measures well when it comes to shooting the 3 ball. I have no doubt Smart will shoot better, and play out a similar role where he's a play making, defending, and floor leader with all the intangibles of a guard version of Draymond Green. Who I realistically think is his best comparison, stats and body type wise.

[Monkhouse]

Who cares what Elfrid Payton is doing lol. Why do people love to talk about other players on different teams lol.

He's still shooting 29.3% 3pt.

You bring up his stats, but its still an absurdly small sample size. The only advantage that Payton has over Smart is assists, and scoring.

Still doesn't change the fact the Magic are 2-8 in the last 10, and are pretty much ended towards the bottom of the lottery.

What are the advantages that Wall has over Smart?

I guess only Scoring and Assists lol.

Some fans just talk out the butt

Look at these stats.
Nevermind that Payton is no doubt better in the last 10 games and in December.

But look closely in the WINS and LOSSES department. It further proves my point that he is a mediocre player who plays HARD DEFENSE

If Smart is such a winning basketball player why
is he so much worse in WINS ? he is shooting a sizzling 31% from the field and averaging 6.6 points a game. Why? Because he is coming off the bench and the guy that is winning those games is IT!

In wins Smart plays wayyyyy better, but what do they do? LOSE , of course because i bet in most of those games he was starting and playing more minutes for injured players.

Meanwhile Payton

In wins , is shooting almost 49% , averaging 6.5 assists a game and scoring 12.7 points a game.

in losses he still is better than Smart is in wins.

How I am even arguing this is beyond me.

Im not sure it does.

If you watch the Celtics a lot then you know that Marcus tends to search for his offense much more when no one else is scoring.

The Celtics are down big, Marcus will often try to get some going. I think he gets frustrated with the passivity of the other (much more offensively talented) players. When we play well Smart doesnt feel the same need to do that and fades back into his role as a guy who makes good passes and hustles his ass off. This makes sense as his rebound and assist numbers are up.

Also, as you note. A lot of the games where hes had an expanded role have been because he has started. Half of these starts came starting at Small Forward and a handful had the Cs without Al Horford as well as Jae. The other half came with him starting at point gaurd where we went 1-3.

In these 9 starts Smart put up 11/5/4 with 2 steals and 41% shooting. Not bad at all considering he played half those games out of position at the 3.

Obviously we lost a lot of games where we had Big Al/Jae or Isaiah Thomas out and that isnt an indictment on Smart so much as it is on those other players.

Anyway, Smart is a player who doesnt give a **** about his shooting percentage or points per game. If he feels that the team is failing to generate offense he will look for his own. If the offense is fine he will continue to be that role-player that is ultimately his best fit.

When we are playing bad Smart steps up. I love that about him.

lol the entire response means nothing to the game of basketball, your basically telling me how Marcus Smart is feeling lol wth?

I have given you what Marcus Smart does well. Nobody is saying he is a terrible player.

He is just not capable of scoring well in ways.

He can occasionaly get hot but more so than not he is a 37% shooter for his career, hes not a specialist, hes not a drive and peneatration guy.

He is a solid point guard who can run the team, play hard, get big stops, big plays. HE is a very good defender.

What else can you say?

You said when smart plays well we lose and I explained why Smarts numbers are good in losses.

He's a solid point guard and a great defender who has a knack for clutch plays and sucks at scoring.

Payton is a better scorer and equally horrible shooter an inferior defender and I highly doubt he's made half the number of clutch plays as Marcus Smart. Not to mention Smarts leadership which has been praised up and down the Cs organization.

I'll take Smart.

I love Smart too , do not get me wrong. He helps this team more than anybody not named IT

but Elfrid is the better player. Better skills. Upside.

Yes both cannot shoot very well, but when you can finish and get to the basket you can have a good FG % , Elfrid has done that.

No question about that. I knew that Elfrid had NBA talent. Smart is a hustle player, beats people by busting his butt. HEs also shown me he has poise and can run the team.

BUT he is not a better player. Elfrid is showing that now. It's too bad his team sucks.

And please, Elfrid is not an inferior defender. That is bogus. He was defensive player of the year in his conference, and he is a pretty good defender.

inferior compared to Smart. I get why you like Payton. Ive got no problem with it. I still prefer Smart. Paytons been terrific the last 5 games.

Yea Payton is a pure floor general, can score 25 and get 10 + assists.

Yeah tell that to yourself LOL.

And also...

What is the point of posting and boasting about Payton's stats when it ends up in losses?

By the way, since you clearly didn't answer the users question about true shooting percentage, I'm going to assume you have absolutely no idea about basketball. And that you're an annoying user, and a rude one at that.

So good day.

Another person who will be added to my ignore list.

[celtics2030]

Lol you do a good job of ignoring facts

Yes good day homer lol.

Monkhouse has been eliminated from the contest.

[Monkhouse]

Lol you do a good job of ignoring facts

Yes good day homer lol.

Monkhouse has been eliminated from the contest.

Ignoring facts? What facts did you present though? Smart has a slightly better true shooting percentage (the best indicator of offense,) he's a +2 when he's on the floor, whereas Payton is a -0.8 when he is. Pundits and basketball analysts have raved about how great of a defender Smart is becoming.

You just don't like Smart, and you want attention. We get it.

If Payton is as good as you says he is, why are the Magic determined on making a trade for Goran Dragic who isn't going to average 25 PPG and 10 APG like Payton can?

[celtics2030]

Monkhouse brings up losses as a last resort lol.

Yet sees that the Celtics have an MVP canidate on the team lol.

A player who Celtics see as the MVP this year.

But no, do not let that take over your narrative  , which is not taking the L like a man.

[Monkhouse]

Monkhouse brings up losses as a last resort lol.

Yet sees that the Celtics have an MVP canidate on the team lol.

A player who Celtics see as the MVP this year.

But no, do not let that take over your narrative  , which is not taking the L like a man.

Still don't see any facts supporting your argument except BS that you just spewed out of thin air.

And who am I talking about exactly then? Don't put words in my mouth lol.

[celtics2030]

Lol you do a good job of ignoring facts

Yes good day homer lol.

Monkhouse has been eliminated from the contest.

Ignoring facts? What facts did you present though? Smart has a slightly better true shooting percentage (the best indicator of offense,) he's a +2 when he's on the floor, whereas Payton is a -0.8 when he is. Pundits and basketball analysts have raved about how great of a defender Smart is becoming.

You just don't like Smart, and you want attention. We get it.

If Payton is as good as you says he is, why are the Magic determined on making a trade for Goran Dragic who isn't going to average 25 PPG and 10 APG like Payton can?

Goran is older. So just stop

2nd of all. Celtics have IT on the team and Horford. Two players who Celtic fans say are top 5 players easily in position. Not to mention IT is a MVP canidate.

Tell me how many games Celtics win without IT.

My point has been proven.

Smart shoots like 6 threes a game or whatever. Payton was horrible for a while as a bench player.

But that has lit a fire and he has been on an absolute killer stretch. One that only Smart and you can dream of.

I love Smart, but I know what he is and what he may never be.

Elfrid is an NBA Player skill level. He can drive and dunk on your best defender with ease.

He can get 10 asissts and still score 20 himself.

Smart is incapable of doing that multiple times.

I mean just look at the statistics.

Why is Smart still not shooting well?

[Monkhouse]

Lol you do a good job of ignoring facts

Yes good day homer lol.

Monkhouse has been eliminated from the contest.

Ignoring facts? What facts did you present though? Smart has a slightly better true shooting percentage (the best indicator of offense,) he's a +2 when he's on the floor, whereas Payton is a -0.8 when he is. Pundits and basketball analysts have raved about how great of a defender Smart is becoming.

You just don't like Smart, and you want attention. We get it.

If Payton is as good as you says he is, why are the Magic determined on making a trade for Goran Dragic who isn't going to average 25 PPG and 10 APG like Payton can?

Goran is older. So just stop

2nd of all. Celtics have IT on the team and Horford. Two players who Celtic fans say are top 5 players easily in position. Not to mention IT is a MVP canidate.

Tell me how many games Celtics win without IT.

My point has been proven.

Smart shoots like 6 threes a game or whatever. Payton was horrible for a while as a bench player.

But that has lit a fire and he has been on an absolute killer stretch. One that only Smart and you can dream of.

I love Smart, but I know what he is and what he may never be.

Elfrid is an NBA Player skill level. He can drive and dunk on your best defender with ease.

He can get 10 asissts and still score 20 himself.

Smart is incapable of doing that multiple times.

I mean just look at the statistics.

Why is Smart still not shooting well?

1) I never ever said Smart is the MVP. Isaiah Thomas is, and should be for literally how much he has carried us. Like I stated once again, don't put words in my mouth.

2) Smart shoots 4 threes. Please don't make it out to like he's shooting 6 threes per game, cause that isn't nowhere near the truth.

3) I like Payton. I like Smart. Their both skilled guards, but you're acting like Payton is a far superior guard than Smart, and that just isn't true.

4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLGFQ9pc83U 20 PPG against the Wizards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D5iBo8Yrlg 20 PPG against the Hawks with 8 rebounds and 5 assists against the Hawks in the playoffs, where he also shut down Millsap in the 4th quarter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCw7FEtj0OI 20 PPG against the Mavericks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HatTIM9DKCo 22 PPG against the Pelicans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKkU5Z2z8Y0 25 PPG against OKC

But please tell me how he can't score 20 PPG. Payton may have been scoring 20+ PPG in the past few games, but if you're going to use statistics, why can't I use losses as a example for why scoring/assists aren't as important as people make it out to be?

5) As for Smart shooting as bad as he is, well that's on Smart, Stevens, and the rest of the Celtics organization to hone in on how to improve it. But your argument about how Payton is a better scorer by 3 PPG is slightly baffling.

[oldtype]

My point has been proven.

Nah.  And I don't want to bother arguing with you this much, but it's kinda funny how basically every factual statement you made in that post is incorrect.

Smart shoots like 6 threes a game or whatever. Payton was horrible for a while as a bench player.

Smart shoots 4.1 threes a game. 

Payton has a higher true shooting % (50.7% -> 53.3%), 3P% (27.6% -> 32.6%), offensive rating (104 -> 113), defensive rating (108 -> 113), and plus-minus (-5.7 -> -0.7) as a reserve.  If this is horrible, he must be absolutely abominable as a starter. 

Elfrid is an NBA Player skill level. He can drive and dunk on your best defender with ease.

"drive" -> Payton shoots 58.2% within five feet.  Among all guards with more than two attempts at the rim this season, he ranks 26th.  He averages 5.1 points off drives per game, ranking him 26th in the NBA. 

"dunk" -> Payton has 12 dunks all season. 

He can drive, he can dunk.  He clearly doesn't do it "on your best player with ease."

He can get 10 asissts and still score 20 himself.

He has done this three times this season.  So yes, he "can" do it.  There is no evidence that he can do it regularly.

[Tr1boy]

Smart seems like a Loyal guy. doubt it

[Monkhouse]

My point has been proven.

Nah.  And I don't want to bother arguing with you this much, but it's kinda funny how basically every factual statement you made in that post is incorrect.

Smart shoots like 6 threes a game or whatever. Payton was horrible for a while as a bench player.

Smart shoots 4.1 threes a game. 

Payton has a higher true shooting % (50.7% -> 53.3%), 3P% (27.6% -> 32.6%), offensive rating (104 -> 113), defensive rating (108 -> 113), and plus-minus (-5.7 -> -0.7) as a reserve.  If this is horrible, he must be absolutely abominable as a starter. 

Elfrid is an NBA Player skill level. He can drive and dunk on your best defender with ease.

"drive" -> Payton shoots 58.2% within five feet.  Among all guards with more than two attempts at the rim this season, he ranks 26th.  He averages 5.1 points off drives per game, ranking him 26th in the NBA. 

"dunk" -> Payton has 12 dunks all season. 

He can drive, he can dunk.  He clearly doesn't do it "on your best player with ease."

He can get 10 asissts and still score 20 himself.

He has done this three times this season.  So yes, he "can" do it.  There is no evidence that he can do it regularly.

Confused the hell out of me lol when I only saw my name, I was like what.

[Ilikesports17]

Not to him, I guess, but for most reasonable people it is.

Im not a homer. Most people here are delusional. Im sorry that I have a unbiased look at everything.

you have a pro-Elfrid Payton bias.