I would do any one of these three deals:
Boston sends
Amir Johnson + Marcus Smart + James Young
to
Milwaukee
for
Greg Monroe
Boston sends
Amir Johnson + Marcus Smart
to
Philadelphia
for
Nerlens Noel + $11.2M in cap savings
Boston sends
Amir Johnson + Marcus Smart
to
Philadelphia
for
Jahlil Okafor + $10.7M in cap savings
If any one of those deals is on the table, I'm taking it without a moment's hesitation.
Nobody would trade smart for Noel right now lol
Smart is a defensive role player with no jump shot, below average PG skills, a severe lack of discipline, and approximately zero upside.
The sooner we accept that and move on, the better it will be for us all.
Below average point guard skills and 0 upside seem a bit harsh and trading Smart for Noel would be dumb.
In what way is it harsh?
He's in his third NBA season and has a career average of 3.3 assists per game and 2.3 Assists-Per-Turnover in 28 minutes.
Those numbers are well below par for an NBA PG, and are quite average even by combo guard standards.
Jason Terry averaged 2.2 Assists Per Turnover for his career
Keeyon Dooling averaged 2 Assists Per Turnover for his career
JJ Reddick averaged 1.9 Assists Per Turnover for his career
Eddie House averaged 2 Assists Per Turnover for his career
Those guys aren't exactly hot shot playmakers.
Smart has decent court vision, which is offset by sub-par decision making ability and terrible ball handling skills.
As for his potential, this is Smart's third season in the league, and here's how his Per 36 stats have gone so far:
2014/15:
10.4 pts, 4.4 reb, 4.1 ast, 2.0 stl, 0.4 blk, 1.8 to, 3.5 pf, 36.7% fg, 33.5% 3pt, 64.6% ft
2015/16:
12.1 Pts, 5.5 reb, 4.0 ast, 1.4 stl, 0.4 blk, 1.7 to, 4.0 pf, 34.8% FG, 25.3% 3pt, 77.7% ft
2016/17:
11.6 pts, 4.9 reb, 5.1 ast, 1.4 stl, 0.4 blk, 2.3 to, 2.7 pf, 37.2% FG, 27.6% 3pt, 64.0% ft
* His assist/TO are at a career low
* His advanced stats (RPM, etc) have gotten worse since his rookie year
* He's shown no desire to improve his shot selection (5.4 3PT attempts Per 36 @ 27.6%)
* He's shown no improvement at gettign to the basket (22.4% FTR is lowest of his career)
* He's shown no desire to tone down his rediculous flopping antics
The guy is a complete trainwreck. The only things he has going for him are that he's an above average defensive player, and that he plays hard. That's it.
He's going to be a Matt Barnes/Kendrick Perkins kind of player - one of those guys who will bounce around the league as a bench player who teams bring in to provide a bit of energy and toughness, at the expense of a bit of crazy and emotional instability.
He'll never be anything more then that. He should cherish his role this year as a ~30 MPG player, because he'll probably never have a role that big again in his career....unless he gets traded to Philly.
Ha! Yeah, another completely biased analysis that ignores any hint of context. Let's totally ignore the fact that for his first two years he was never A) a primary ball-handler, or B) even a secondary ball-handler (always IT or Turner). He played almost entirely off the ball. But, oh my, look at those low assist numbers! 
It seems to be a pretty common trend amongst the major Smart haters to ignore any semblance of context and interpret evidence to best fit their narrative.
And by the way, those bold sentences pretty much destroy any bit of credibility that your analysis has. Total craziness. It's just funny that he keeps getting playing time on such a good team with as bad as y'all make him out to be.
* In 2014/15 Smart spent 74% of his time at the PG spot and 26% at the SG spot
* In 2015/16 he spent 42% of his time at the PG spot and 57% at the SG spot
* In 2016/17 he's spent 16% at the PG spot and 80% at the SG spot
His assist numbers in his first year (where he spent 75% of his time at PG) were not significantly better then they were in his second year (where he spent 42% of his time at PG) which in turn were not significantly better then his third year (where he's spent only 16% of his time at the PG spot).
Smart's percentage of time at the PG spot has gone down significantly every year, and why? Because he doesn't have PG skills.
His rookie year he played PG because there was no choice - we didn't have another passable PG.
His second year he started much of the season at PG, until Brad discovered that we were playing like garbage and started Thomas over him - at which point we started winning games. Shock, that.
His third year he's barely played PG because by now everybody in the Celtics organisation has discovered that he lacks the skills to ever be a full time PG.
Smart has played about 108 minutes at the PG spot this year. Terry Rozier has played a total of about 382 minutes at the PG spot this year. Your logic above was that Smart is playing 30 MPG because he is a good player - better player means more minutes. Well Terry Rozier is playing almost 4x as many minutes at the PG spot as Smart is so, based on your logic, what does that say about Smart's ability to play the PG spot?
Also how many minutes Smart played at which guard position is irrelevant when analysing his assist-to-turnover ratio. Playing off guard more should mean he has the ball in his hands less. This should mean less assists, but should also mean less turnovers. Yet Smart's turnover average (1.9 per game) this season is, by far, the highest of his career.
As I said, the guy has pretty decent court vision, but he's a terrible decision maker and is a poor ball handler. These are facts, and they are weaknesses of his that have been well documented ever since his college days - look up his draftexpress videos if you don't believe me.
Again - your personal bias is blinding you.
If Marcus Smart was averaging 10 points, 4 rebounds and 4 assists in 30 minutes (while shooting 37%/28%/64%) on ANY other team...and somebody proposed we make a trade to bring him here...I can all but guarantee that you would absolutely hate the idea with a passion.
Guys defend Smart because he wears a Celtics uniform, but if he was in any other jersey you would all say that he's a scrub.
Who here talk about Elfrid Payton, for example? He's a significantly better PG then Smart is and nobody here says a word about him.
I'm not really looking to get into another one of these arguments with you, because A) you seemingly don't understand how context works in basketball, B) your posts are full of inaccuracies, and D) it's not going to change any of our minds anyways. I just wanted to call out your biased post that was pretty rife with inaccuracies and stats without context.
But I do feel like I should call out some of these inaccuracies and misinterpretations that you're using to try and stop this from spreading any further. For example, you're posting his percentage of time played at "PG" and "SG" across his time in the league. That's all fine and dandy, but if you actually watched the games, which is seeming more and more unlikely every post, then you'd know that him being the "PG" has no bearing whatsoever on my argument.
Just because he was labeled the "PG" in some stat did not make him the "ball-handler," which is the important thing regarding these stats and my argument. He almost always played with ET or IT, who were the main ball handlers. This was clear to anyone who watched the actual games. And contrary to your false opinion and the "stats" above, he's handled the ball much more this year than any other year. It's clear those numbers are completely off from when he was actually acting as the "ball-handler" and true "PG" of the unit, which should've been apparent to you if you actually watched the game. I swear some of you literally must not watch games and entirely form opinions off of box scores and statistics, because these arguments obviously don't make sense with the context you get from actually watching the game.
And just to briefly point out some more inaccuracies in your posts:
1) "How many flopping fines does he have?" or as you put it in the other thread - he has a "disturbing tenancy to rack up flopping fines"
In reality, he has just one against the Hawks last year in the playoffs. So this "disturbing tendency to rack up flopping fines" is all in your head.
2) "His second year he started much of the season at PG, until Brad discovered that we were playing like garbage and started Thomas over him - at which point we started winning games. Shock, that."
Once again, completely wrong. Smart started the first three games, twisted his ankle, and was out for three games, so IT started in his place naturally. Smart just continued coming off of the bench after that. So, no, sorry to rain on your parade, but Smart's injury caused the switch not Brad just yanking him because we were "playing like garbage." We were 1-2 at that point with close losses to Toronto and San Antonio - really sounds like playing like garbage to me
So, yeah, you need to actually watch the games and not rely so heavily on stats, because your analysis is pretty skewed in several regards. Virtually everything you put up there as evidence was flawed or misinterpreted in some way, especially your analysis of the entire Smart PG situation, which is actually the exact opposite of what you claim.
To further prove this, look at his AST% by year - 16.3, 15.8, 20.6, which corresponds quite nicely with how much he handled the ball each year and why his increased ball-handling this year has led to an increased AST%. So either A) he significantly improved in that regard, or B) he's actually getting more ball-handling duties than before (clearly this) - either way, it disproves your false narrative that you're trying to create.
It's funny that you didn't include those stats in the first place; perhaps could it be that they went against your entire narrative?
Topic: Noel Frustration: Celtics trade coming? (Read 31345 times)