Here is one. Both are active.
These are career stats (not per 36 since the mpg are fairly close)
10.7 p, 6.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 1.0 t, 47.6 2PT, 37.0 3PT, 77.0 FT - 24.1 mpg
8.0 p, 3.4 r, 1.3 a, 1.0 s, 0.3 b, 0.07 t, 51.4 2PT, 32.9 3PT, 77.9 FT - 21.4 mpg
Player B is Jae Crowder
Player A I'm thinking must be a PF? Maybe a SF
Probably a journeyman. Ilyasova? Not the defender Jae is though.
EDIT: Yup. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilyaser01.html
It is pretty pointless to use Jae's career stats because they include 2 seasons where he hardly played and do not represent the player he is now. Conversely it is dumb to use a player's career stats that peaked years ago and has not been the same player statistically in several years.
This was put in another thread somewhere and for these reasons it is really misleading and bad. I would hope we can put this to bed because it is about as textbook manipulation of stats as you can get.
They both played very similar minutes per game in their career. It isn't a comparison of a guy playing 30 minutes vs. a guy playing 25 minutes. And for the record between the two of them the career low for mpg was in fact 14.7 by Ilyasova in his rookie year.
But since you are crying about it, here are their totals for the year thus far this year.
12.5 p, 6.1 r, 1.5 a, 0.5 s, 0.2 b, 1.2 t, 51.3 2PT, 36.7 3PT, 80.4 FT - 26.1 mpg (Ilyasova)
13.0 p, 4.7 r, 2.5 a, 1.1 s, 0.4 b, 1.2 t, 59.3 2PT, 40.0 3PT, 93.8 FT - 29.6 mpg (Crowder)
Now if we look at Ilyasova just since he has been in Philly (and take out the OKC games) his numbers increase a bit.
13.7 p, 6.2 r, 1.7 a, 0.4 s, 0.2 b, 1.2 t, 50.5 2PT, 38.1 3PT, 80.4 FT - 26.9 mpg
This came up in a prior thread because someone said Saric couldn't earn his minutes when all he had to do was beat out Ilyasova which is different than Brown who had to beat out Crowder. I posted those numbers to indicate there wasn't much difference between Ersan and Jae at least statistically. Now Jae is a better defender, but he isn't All NBA type defender either.
I also think this is relevant because I think it shows that Jae is pretty easily replaceable. He isn't a guy that Boston has to have and he should be among the names being brandied about in trade discussions.
Are you really pretending your career comparison wasn't super misleading? Jae Crowder has played 4.2 seasons. 2 of those seasons he played an average of 16.5 minutes and averaged less than 5 points and 2.5 rebounds. Since his role has changed and he has developed he has played an average of 30 minutes a game and averaged 13.5 points and close to 5 rebounds (not to mention other improvements across the board).
As I have said to you in numerous threads, you are smart enough to know that this kind of stuff is misleading. Including Crowder's career stats is going to misrepresent him and drag down his average,
so why do it? Make your points without this kind of nonsense. It misleads people that are not paying attention or don't have time to look up how you derive your numbers.
Ilasova is misleading in the opposite direction. While it is true he had one season of really low playing time he now has 7.2 seasons of playing time. So 1 season of 7.2 limited minutes drags down his career stats way less than 2 seasons do of 4.2 seasons for Crowder. (This is pretty basic stuff). Also aside from a small sample size so far in Philly all his best seasons were on the Bucks 2-3 years ago and one year he averaged almost 9 rebounds. Approaching 30 and with some decent injuries under his belt it is hard to believe his best days are not behind him.
Now if you want to make the point that Ilasova for 19 games has put up slightly better numbers in Philly than he has for the past several years across multiple teams, sure go for it. However, as Phosita acutely pointed out even at this absolute apex of these 19 games Ilasova's numbers are inferior in just about every way to Crowders. Finally lastly, why would we omit Ilasova's 3 games with less minutes on OKC but not omit games where Crowder left 14 minutes in do to injury or his first 2 games back from injury when he had season lows in points?
The bottom line is that Ainge would hang up in a half a second if Ilasova was offered for Crowder and I really highly doubt that you don't realize that. So why do you pollute the board with misleading stats like this?
It's seriously terrible.
