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Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #150 on: March 13, 2017, 04:11:59 PM »

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Triboy I agree with you that Jackson a better pro prospect but you lose credibility when you try to make this point by disparaging Tatum's athleticism and stats. Tatum should be a very good pro.

I agree with this. When you start making things up out of the thin blue sky you lose credibility. Both Jackson and Tatum are known prospects. They are both fairly equal prospects. Making things up Tatum's aggressiveness is totally unneccessary. Not being aggressive in a few 1st halfs is not like he disappeared altogether. If aything he was over aggressive early in the season.

We get it you like Jackson the most. I like Tatum as the 2nd best prospect and i dont understand why people like Isaac more than either prospect but i dont make up things about either prospect to make Tatum look better. All players are what they are and all you can do is look at the player to see how they have progressed over time.

Lets not make up things to try and prop up guys

I like Isaac more for OUR team.  He is a big man that can block shots and there is NO ONE in the country that can guard one on one like him, especially with his length.  Mark it down, he will be a GREAT NBA player!!  It may take 1-3 years, but he WILL be SPECIAL.  I will gladly eat those words in 3.5 years!!!!

Smitty77

P.S.  I don't know how anyone can compare the athleticism of Tatum to Jackson.  Not even close.
Jackson is a much better athlete, but lets not act like Tatum is a bad athlete. For a player with his size he is pretty athletic and will be no worse than a good NBA athlete.

Also where is Isaac in your rankings? 2nd? 3rd?

blocks and steals arent that important, but Tatum averages 1.1 steas 1.3 block. Isaac: 1.1 and 1.5

I am going by my viewing games and watching his perimeter D.  FAR better than anything Tatum could do, due to athletic ability, height, reach, wingspan, and quickness.

Smitty77

And how does any of that translate to the offensive end?

First, our team needs more D this year.  We are scoring just fine!!!  Isaac is VERY unselfish as a recent article indicates.  He is ONLY taking around 8 shots per game, but is shooting 50.2% and 79.6% at the line, which is outstanding for a guy that is 6'11"!!!!  Isaac also plays exactly 7.5 LESS minutes per game on average than Tatum.  Tatum takes around 12.6 shots per game and is shooting 45.3%.

Smitty77

We need both. You certainly need someone that can create a shot because the team is over reliant on IT to do that. If he is what you say he is why cant he create more shots? How does he have any game where he takes only 2 shots?

So many of you Isaac fans just totally ignore flaws in his game. Every player has them. Instead of just saying he cant create good looks for himself hes unselfish.

Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #151 on: March 13, 2017, 04:22:16 PM »

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Triboy I agree with you that Jackson a better pro prospect but you lose credibility when you try to make this point by disparaging Tatum's athleticism and stats. Tatum should be a very good pro.

I agree with this. When you start making things up out of the thin blue sky you lose credibility. Both Jackson and Tatum are known prospects. They are both fairly equal prospects. Making things up Tatum's aggressiveness is totally unneccessary. Not being aggressive in a few 1st halfs is not like he disappeared altogether. If aything he was over aggressive early in the season.

We get it you like Jackson the most. I like Tatum as the 2nd best prospect and i dont understand why people like Isaac more than either prospect but i dont make up things about either prospect to make Tatum look better. All players are what they are and all you can do is look at the player to see how they have progressed over time.

Lets not make up things to try and prop up guys

I like Isaac more for OUR team.  He is a big man that can block shots and there is NO ONE in the country that can guard one on one like him, especially with his length.  Mark it down, he will be a GREAT NBA player!!  It may take 1-3 years, but he WILL be SPECIAL.  I will gladly eat those words in 3.5 years!!!!

Smitty77

P.S.  I don't know how anyone can compare the athleticism of Tatum to Jackson.  Not even close.
Jackson is a much better athlete, but lets not act like Tatum is a bad athlete. For a player with his size he is pretty athletic and will be no worse than a good NBA athlete.

Also where is Isaac in your rankings? 2nd? 3rd?

blocks and steals arent that important, but Tatum averages 1.1 steas 1.3 block. Isaac: 1.1 and 1.5

I am going by my viewing games and watching his perimeter D.  FAR better than anything Tatum could do, due to athletic ability, height, reach, wingspan, and quickness.

Smitty77

And how does any of that translate to the offensive end?

First, our team needs more D this year.  We are scoring just fine!!!  Isaac is VERY unselfish as a recent article indicates.  He is ONLY taking around 8 shots per game, but is shooting 50.2% and 79.6% at the line, which is outstanding for a guy that is 6'11"!!!!  Isaac also plays exactly 7.5 LESS minutes per game on average than Tatum.  Tatum takes around 12.6 shots per game and is shooting 45.3%.

Smitty77

We need both. You certainly need someone that can create a shot because the team is over reliant on IT to do that. If he is what you say he is why cant he create more shots? How does he have any game where he takes only 2 shots?

So many of you Isaac fans just totally ignore flaws in his game. Every player has them. Instead of just saying he cant create good looks for himself hes unselfish.

I think it's really just one Isaac fan.

Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #152 on: March 13, 2017, 04:58:43 PM »

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Triboy I agree with you that Jackson a better pro prospect but you lose credibility when you try to make this point by disparaging Tatum's athleticism and stats. Tatum should be a very good pro.

I agree with this. When you start making things up out of the thin blue sky you lose credibility. Both Jackson and Tatum are known prospects. They are both fairly equal prospects. Making things up Tatum's aggressiveness is totally unneccessary. Not being aggressive in a few 1st halfs is not like he disappeared altogether. If aything he was over aggressive early in the season.

We get it you like Jackson the most. I like Tatum as the 2nd best prospect and i dont understand why people like Isaac more than either prospect but i dont make up things about either prospect to make Tatum look better. All players are what they are and all you can do is look at the player to see how they have progressed over time.

Lets not make up things to try and prop up guys

I like Isaac more for OUR team.  He is a big man that can block shots and there is NO ONE in the country that can guard one on one like him, especially with his length.  Mark it down, he will be a GREAT NBA player!!  It may take 1-3 years, but he WILL be SPECIAL.  I will gladly eat those words in 3.5 years!!!!

Smitty77

P.S.  I don't know how anyone can compare the athleticism of Tatum to Jackson.  Not even close.
Jackson is a much better athlete, but lets not act like Tatum is a bad athlete. For a player with his size he is pretty athletic and will be no worse than a good NBA athlete.

Also where is Isaac in your rankings? 2nd? 3rd?

blocks and steals arent that important, but Tatum averages 1.1 steas 1.3 block. Isaac: 1.1 and 1.5

I am going by my viewing games and watching his perimeter D.  FAR better than anything Tatum could do, due to athletic ability, height, reach, wingspan, and quickness.

Smitty77

And how does any of that translate to the offensive end?

First, our team needs more D this year.  We are scoring just fine!!!  Isaac is VERY unselfish as a recent article indicates.  He is ONLY taking around 8 shots per game, but is shooting 50.2% and 79.6% at the line, which is outstanding for a guy that is 6'11"!!!!  Isaac also plays exactly 7.5 LESS minutes per game on average than Tatum.  Tatum takes around 12.6 shots per game and is shooting 45.3%.

Smitty77

We need both. You certainly need someone that can create a shot because the team is over reliant on IT to do that. If he is what you say he is why cant he create more shots? How does he have any game where he takes only 2 shots?

So many of you Isaac fans just totally ignore flaws in his game. Every player has them. Instead of just saying he cant create good looks for himself hes unselfish.

I think it's really just one Isaac fan.

I mean for Tatum I would say he has elite shot creation skills for 19 although he isnt a knockdown shooter yet. Can create looks but cant always finish. Very long and good on the post although he does have trouble with length and elite defenders. Is just an ok defender. Can read a play and get steals but doesnt have the strength yet to keep a guy infront of him.

Good but not great athlete. Has the potential to be a go to scorer with solid starter being the floor.

Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #153 on: March 13, 2017, 05:11:14 PM »

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Triboy I agree with you that Jackson a better pro prospect but you lose credibility when you try to make this point by disparaging Tatum's athleticism and stats. Tatum should be a very good pro.

I agree with this. When you start making things up out of the thin blue sky you lose credibility. Both Jackson and Tatum are known prospects. They are both fairly equal prospects. Making things up Tatum's aggressiveness is totally unneccessary. Not being aggressive in a few 1st halfs is not like he disappeared altogether. If aything he was over aggressive early in the season.

We get it you like Jackson the most. I like Tatum as the 2nd best prospect and i dont understand why people like Isaac more than either prospect but i dont make up things about either prospect to make Tatum look better. All players are what they are and all you can do is look at the player to see how they have progressed over time.

Lets not make up things to try and prop up guys

I like Isaac more for OUR team.  He is a big man that can block shots and there is NO ONE in the country that can guard one on one like him, especially with his length.  Mark it down, he will be a GREAT NBA player!!  It may take 1-3 years, but he WILL be SPECIAL.  I will gladly eat those words in 3.5 years!!!!

Smitty77

P.S.  I don't know how anyone can compare the athleticism of Tatum to Jackson.  Not even close.
Jackson is a much better athlete, but lets not act like Tatum is a bad athlete. For a player with his size he is pretty athletic and will be no worse than a good NBA athlete.

Also where is Isaac in your rankings? 2nd? 3rd?

blocks and steals arent that important, but Tatum averages 1.1 steas 1.3 block. Isaac: 1.1 and 1.5

I am going by my viewing games and watching his perimeter D.  FAR better than anything Tatum could do, due to athletic ability, height, reach, wingspan, and quickness.

Smitty77

And how does any of that translate to the offensive end?

First, our team needs more D this year.  We are scoring just fine!!!  Isaac is VERY unselfish as a recent article indicates.  He is ONLY taking around 8 shots per game, but is shooting 50.2% and 79.6% at the line, which is outstanding for a guy that is 6'11"!!!!  Isaac also plays exactly 7.5 LESS minutes per game on average than Tatum.  Tatum takes around 12.6 shots per game and is shooting 45.3%.

Smitty77

We need both. You certainly need someone that can create a shot because the team is over reliant on IT to do that. If he is what you say he is why cant he create more shots? How does he have any game where he takes only 2 shots?

So many of you Isaac fans just totally ignore flaws in his game. Every player has them. Instead of just saying he cant create good looks for himself hes unselfish.

I think it's really just one Isaac fan.

I mean for Tatum I would say he has elite shot creation skills for 19 although he isnt a knockdown shooter yet. Can create looks but cant always finish. Very long and good on the post although he does have trouble with length and elite defenders. Is just an ok defender. Can read a play and get steals but doesnt have the strength yet to keep a guy infront of him.

Good but not great athlete. Has the potential to be a go to scorer with solid starter being the floor.
Tatum is interesting because his flaws are all half-flaws.

Id list his weaknesses as 3 point shooting, creating for others, strength, quickness, defense, finishing.

Thing is, 87% at the stripe indicate the shooting will be OK
creating for others is far from fatal hes just not good at it
his frame indicates he could put on a ton of strength
quickness on d is again not elite, but not a fatal flaw. he can absolutely be a passable defender
defense needs to lock in but the tools for solid D are there
finishing with his length and feel for offense Id count on this flaw going away.
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Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #154 on: March 13, 2017, 05:56:54 PM »

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Triboy I agree with you that Jackson a better pro prospect but you lose credibility when you try to make this point by disparaging Tatum's athleticism and stats. Tatum should be a very good pro.

I agree with this. When you start making things up out of the thin blue sky you lose credibility. Both Jackson and Tatum are known prospects. They are both fairly equal prospects. Making things up Tatum's aggressiveness is totally unneccessary. Not being aggressive in a few 1st halfs is not like he disappeared altogether. If aything he was over aggressive early in the season.

We get it you like Jackson the most. I like Tatum as the 2nd best prospect and i dont understand why people like Isaac more than either prospect but i dont make up things about either prospect to make Tatum look better. All players are what they are and all you can do is look at the player to see how they have progressed over time.

Lets not make up things to try and prop up guys

I like Isaac more for OUR team.  He is a big man that can block shots and there is NO ONE in the country that can guard one on one like him, especially with his length.  Mark it down, he will be a GREAT NBA player!!  It may take 1-3 years, but he WILL be SPECIAL.  I will gladly eat those words in 3.5 years!!!!

Smitty77

P.S.  I don't know how anyone can compare the athleticism of Tatum to Jackson.  Not even close.
Jackson is a much better athlete, but lets not act like Tatum is a bad athlete. For a player with his size he is pretty athletic and will be no worse than a good NBA athlete.

Also where is Isaac in your rankings? 2nd? 3rd?

blocks and steals arent that important, but Tatum averages 1.1 steas 1.3 block. Isaac: 1.1 and 1.5

I am going by my viewing games and watching his perimeter D.  FAR better than anything Tatum could do, due to athletic ability, height, reach, wingspan, and quickness.

Smitty77

And how does any of that translate to the offensive end?

First, our team needs more D this year.  We are scoring just fine!!!  Isaac is VERY unselfish as a recent article indicates.  He is ONLY taking around 8 shots per game, but is shooting 50.2% and 79.6% at the line, which is outstanding for a guy that is 6'11"!!!!  Isaac also plays exactly 7.5 LESS minutes per game on average than Tatum.  Tatum takes around 12.6 shots per game and is shooting 45.3%.

Smitty77

We need both. You certainly need someone that can create a shot because the team is over reliant on IT to do that. If he is what you say he is why cant he create more shots? How does he have any game where he takes only 2 shots?

So many of you Isaac fans just totally ignore flaws in his game. Every player has them. Instead of just saying he cant create good looks for himself hes unselfish.

I think it's really just one Isaac fan.

I mean for Tatum I would say he has elite shot creation skills for 19 although he isnt a knockdown shooter yet. Can create looks but cant always finish. Very long and good on the post although he does have trouble with length and elite defenders. Is just an ok defender. Can read a play and get steals but doesnt have the strength yet to keep a guy infront of him.

Good but not great athlete. Has the potential to be a go to scorer with solid starter being the floor.
Tatum is interesting because his flaws are all half-flaws.

Id list his weaknesses as 3 point shooting, creating for others, strength, quickness, defense, finishing.

Thing is, 87% at the stripe indicate the shooting will be OK
creating for others is far from fatal hes just not good at it
his frame indicates he could put on a ton of strength
quickness on d is again not elite, but not a fatal flaw. he can absolutely be a passable defender
defense needs to lock in but the tools for solid D are there
finishing with his length and feel for offense Id count on this flaw going away.


I would agree with this.

Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #155 on: March 13, 2017, 06:04:11 PM »

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It's always amazing to see what a little bit of exposure can do for a player's standing among casual fans...
In the summer of 2017, I predicted this team would not win a championship for the next 10 years.

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Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #156 on: March 14, 2017, 11:27:58 AM »

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Triboy I agree with you that Jackson a better pro prospect but you lose credibility when you try to make this point by disparaging Tatum's athleticism and stats. Tatum should be a very good pro.

I agree with this. When you start making things up out of the thin blue sky you lose credibility. Both Jackson and Tatum are known prospects. They are both fairly equal prospects. Making things up Tatum's aggressiveness is totally unneccessary. Not being aggressive in a few 1st halfs is not like he disappeared altogether. If aything he was over aggressive early in the season.

We get it you like Jackson the most. I like Tatum as the 2nd best prospect and i dont understand why people like Isaac more than either prospect but i dont make up things about either prospect to make Tatum look better. All players are what they are and all you can do is look at the player to see how they have progressed over time.

Lets not make up things to try and prop up guys

I like Isaac more for OUR team.  He is a big man that can block shots and there is NO ONE in the country that can guard one on one like him, especially with his length.  Mark it down, he will be a GREAT NBA player!!  It may take 1-3 years, but he WILL be SPECIAL.  I will gladly eat those words in 3.5 years!!!!

Smitty77

P.S.  I don't know how anyone can compare the athleticism of Tatum to Jackson.  Not even close.
Jackson is a much better athlete, but lets not act like Tatum is a bad athlete. For a player with his size he is pretty athletic and will be no worse than a good NBA athlete.

Also where is Isaac in your rankings? 2nd? 3rd?

blocks and steals arent that important, but Tatum averages 1.1 steas 1.3 block. Isaac: 1.1 and 1.5

I am going by my viewing games and watching his perimeter D.  FAR better than anything Tatum could do, due to athletic ability, height, reach, wingspan, and quickness.

Smitty77

And how does any of that translate to the offensive end?

First, our team needs more D this year.  We are scoring just fine!!!  Isaac is VERY unselfish as a recent article indicates.  He is ONLY taking around 8 shots per game, but is shooting 50.2% and 79.6% at the line, which is outstanding for a guy that is 6'11"!!!!  Isaac also plays exactly 7.5 LESS minutes per game on average than Tatum.  Tatum takes around 12.6 shots per game and is shooting 45.3%.

Smitty77

We need both. You certainly need someone that can create a shot because the team is over reliant on IT to do that. If he is what you say he is why cant he create more shots? How does he have any game where he takes only 2 shots?

So many of you Isaac fans just totally ignore flaws in his game. Every player has them. Instead of just saying he cant create good looks for himself hes unselfish.

I think it's really just one Isaac fan.

I mean for Tatum I would say he has elite shot creation skills for 19 although he isnt a knockdown shooter yet. Can create looks but cant always finish. Very long and good on the post although he does have trouble with length and elite defenders. Is just an ok defender. Can read a play and get steals but doesnt have the strength yet to keep a guy infront of him.

Good but not great athlete. Has the potential to be a go to scorer with solid starter being the floor.
Tatum is interesting because his flaws are all half-flaws.

Id list his weaknesses as 3 point shooting, creating for others, strength, quickness, defense, finishing.

Thing is, 87% at the stripe indicate the shooting will be OK
creating for others is far from fatal hes just not good at it
his frame indicates he could put on a ton of strength
quickness on d is again not elite, but not a fatal flaw. he can absolutely be a passable defender
defense needs to lock in but the tools for solid D are there
finishing with his length and feel for offense Id count on this flaw going away.


I would agree with this.

I agree.

Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #157 on: March 15, 2017, 09:53:45 AM »

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Just watched yesterday's The Jump...

Jason Williams said that Tatum is the best NBA prospect in the tournament:

Best isolation scorer BY FAR.
Better than Brandon Ingram.
Will hit "pro shots".
Worked with Jabari Parker for four days this summer...and was the better player on at least two of those days.

I would not be mad at Tatum in green next year.


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« Reply #158 on: March 15, 2017, 10:06:57 AM »

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Just watched yesterday's The Jump...

Jason Williams said that Tatum is the best NBA prospect in the tournament:

Best isolation scorer BY FAR.
Better than Brandon Ingram.
Will hit "pro shots".
Worked with Jabari Parker for four days this summer...and was the better player on at least two of those days.

I would not be mad at Tatum in green next year.

Yes Tatum is like another Parker...for better and the worst

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« Reply #159 on: March 15, 2017, 10:13:02 AM »

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It's always amazing to see what a little bit of exposure can do for a player's standing among casual fans...
Most people have had Tatumin their top 4 all year long.

lets not act like dominating the ACC tournament is "a little bit of exposure".

It was the most impressive 4 days of his season by far. Obviously when you have a performance like that your stock is going to rise.
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Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #160 on: March 15, 2017, 10:13:31 AM »

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Just watched yesterday's The Jump...

Jason Williams said that Tatum is the best NBA prospect in the tournament:

Best isolation scorer BY FAR.
Better than Brandon Ingram.
Will hit "pro shots".
Worked with Jabari Parker for four days this summer...and was the better player on at least two of those days.

I would not be mad at Tatum in green next year.

Yes Tatum is like another Parker...for better and the worst
I kind of think of Tatum as a better defensive Parker, who isn't as good at using his size inside. He is like a more iso mid range scoring version of Jabari coming out.
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« Reply #161 on: March 15, 2017, 03:52:35 PM »

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NBADraft.net now ranks Tatum 3, Jackson 4, in its latest mock draft rankings.

Still like Jackson better.

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« Reply #162 on: March 15, 2017, 03:55:01 PM »

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Just watched yesterday's The Jump...

Jason Williams said that Tatum is the best NBA prospect in the tournament:

Best isolation scorer BY FAR.
Better than Brandon Ingram.
Will hit "pro shots".
Worked with Jabari Parker for four days this summer...and was the better player on at least two of those days.

I would not be mad at Tatum in green next year.

Williams is slanted, being a Duke alum. I discount his statement a lot.  Plus, I am not impressed with his TV analysis, find him kind of general, full of cliches and platitudes.

Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #163 on: March 15, 2017, 04:04:12 PM »

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NBADraft.net now ranks Tatum 3, Jackson 4, in its latest mock draft rankings.

Still like Jackson better.
would be delighted with either. Right now, I would lean Tatum. Jackson's free throw percentage scares me.

Re: Jason Tatum (Merged)
« Reply #164 on: March 15, 2017, 06:59:29 PM »

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Just watched yesterday's The Jump...

Jason Williams said that Tatum is the best NBA prospect in the tournament:

Best isolation scorer BY FAR.
Better than Brandon Ingram.
Will hit "pro shots".
Worked with Jabari Parker for four days this summer...and was the better player on at least two of those days.

I would not be mad at Tatum in green next year.

Yes Tatum is like another Parker...for better and the worst

Parker's two biggest weaknesses have been injuries and defense. I don't have those same concerns with Tatum.


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