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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2016, 02:28:49 PM »

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Finally.

Between Sale, Price, and Porcello, the Sox should be able to get a quality start in the playoffs.


Big question now is: how do they replace Ortiz?
some answers are here:
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/replacing-ortiz.16474/page-2#post-2041238

it could be done in house. the drop off would not kill the sox since they have such a good offense to begin with. but a few free agents may be picked up. and DD certainly shows us all once more that he doesnt mind making big trades and acquisitions.

thus far, the sox' gains outweight the loses.
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2016, 02:28:58 PM »

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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.

Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.

and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.

moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.

Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2016, 02:31:02 PM »

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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.

Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.

and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.

moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.
to say the least...here is another item from SoSH on that exact topic:

And:

Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020

So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.

The 2020 offseason might be brutal, but at this point there aren't that many openings for young players even if the system had more talent to promote.
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2016, 02:31:25 PM »

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Finally.

Between Sale, Price, and Porcello, the Sox should be able to get a quality start in the playoffs.


Big question now is: how do they replace Ortiz?

I would imagine they have to ante up and sign Encarnacion or else all this pitching is wasted.

Funny that last season was the opposite problem—their unreliable pitching wasted a lot of good hitting.

Finally.

Between Sale, Price, and Porcello, the Sox should be able to get a quality start in the playoffs.

Big question now is: how do they replace Ortiz?

Hopefully many more than one. ;D
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2016, 02:31:33 PM »

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reactions and analyses here:

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/chris-sale-to-boston-for-moncada-kopech-2-prospects.16930/page-4

big win for the sox. Sale is great and has been great for 5 years. last 5 years has been an all star each year. finished top 6 in the cy young award race.

giving up moncada hurts, but who knows if he will ever hit the major league curve ball? (30% K rate, ouch.)

kopech might be great, might be a reliever, might be nothing. really hard to judge from AA.

diaz and basabe are lottery tickets, toss in players.

the sox look good for the next 3-4 years. lots of young talent and all signed.

As of now, the top prospects (per Soxprospects) left in the Sox system are:
Devers
Groome
Travis
Johnson
Dalbec
Chatham
Ockimey

A lot thinner than it was, but there are still a few good prospects. And for me, the point of the minor league has always been to provide talent for the major league club - either through promoting good talent or enabling trades for it.

I did not include Benentendi or Hernandez since they are already in Boston.

I love this part

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nd:

Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020

So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.


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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2016, 02:33:24 PM »

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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.

Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.

and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.

moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.
to say the least...here is another item from SoSH on that exact topic:

And:

Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020

So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.

The 2020 offseason might be brutal, but at this point there aren't that many openings for young players even if the system had more talent to promote.

That's a pretty sweet situation. Hopefully they parlay the next three seasons into three playoff appearances and at least one title.
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2016, 02:34:40 PM »

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I'm also wishing the Sox had pulled the trigger on this type of thing at the last trade deadline—we might've had a better ending for Ortiz.
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2016, 02:34:48 PM »

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Just please no Red Sox/Cubs world series matchups.


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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2016, 02:37:29 PM »

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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.

Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.

and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.

moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.
to say the least...here is another item from SoSH on that exact topic:

And:

Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020

So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.

The 2020 offseason might be brutal, but at this point there aren't that many openings for young players even if the system had more talent to promote.

That's a pretty sweet situation. Hopefully they parlay the next three seasons into three playoff appearances and at least one title.
ha. i'm greedy. i want at least THREE world series championships now.  ;D
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2016, 02:37:29 PM »

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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.

Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.

and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.

moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Precisely. Sale is making $1.5 million less than Buccholz. I normally don't care about other people's money, but given the team's declared intent to stay under the luxury tax, the decision to pay a massive contract to a horrible pitcher suddenly seems relevant.
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2016, 02:38:18 PM »

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I'm also wishing the Sox had pulled the trigger on this type of thing at the last trade deadline—we might've had a better ending for Ortiz.
back then, the chisox were demanding BOTH Betts and Benintendi as PART of the deal. the sox did the right thing in not trading then.

“@Buster_ESPN: White Sox get a big haul from BOS -- and it's a step down for what they asked for in July, which included Betts and Benintendi.”
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2016, 02:39:34 PM »

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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.

Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.

and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.

moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Precisely. Sale is making $1.5 million less than Buccholz. I normally don't care about other people's money, but given the team's declared intent to stay under the luxury tax, the decision to pay a massive contract to a horrible pitcher suddenly seems relevant.
"massive" and "horrible" are not completely accurate and smack of over reaction. and as stated above, the sox are not constrained in anyway by buchholz's contract. and he is moveable.

nothing to see here. let's move along everyone.  ;D
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2016, 02:39:39 PM »

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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.

Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.

and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.

moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Agreed and we have other young talent so it doesn't hurt the future of the team much.
to say the least...here is another item from SoSH on that exact topic:

And:

Betts controlled through 2020
Boegards controlled through 2019
Bradley controlled through 2020
Swihart controlled through 2021
Benintendi controlled through 2022
Edro controlled through 2020
Price controlled through 2022
Porcello controlled through 2019
Sale controlled through 2019
Pedroia controlled through 2020

So that's your top-3 starters, your entire outfield, your middle infield and your catching situation, all controlled for the next three years. And that's before any of these guys sign any extensions.

The 2020 offseason might be brutal, but at this point there aren't that many openings for young players even if the system had more talent to promote.
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2016, 02:43:33 PM »

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I'm also wishing the Sox had pulled the trigger on this type of thing at the last trade deadline—we might've had a better ending for Ortiz.
back then, the chisox were demanding BOTH Betts and Benintendi as PART of the deal. the sox did the right thing in not trading then.

“@Buster_ESPN: White Sox get a big haul from BOS -- and it's a step down for what they asked for in July, which included Betts and Benintendi.”

Wow. That's quite a difference, and certainly good for Boston.

I just wish we could've given Papi the farewell he deserved.
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Re: Red Sox Get Sale
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2016, 02:48:16 PM »

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Picking up Buchholz's option suddenly looks even worse.

Moncada and Kopech is a pretty good haul, though. Wonder whether we'll have another Anthony Rizzo situation here.
in the context of the talent of this team and its wallet, buchholz is not a major problem. they can always trade him. starting pitchers are always in demand. or convert him to long reliever.

and dont forget, Sale is getting paid around $12,000,000 a year for three years. very very reasonable contract.

moncada's future is the key. but you need to give up talent to get talent...unless you are ainge. :)
Precisely. Sale is making $1.5 million less than Buccholz. I normally don't care about other people's money, but given the team's declared intent to stay under the luxury tax, the decision to pay a massive contract to a horrible pitcher suddenly seems relevant.
"massive" and "horrible" are not completely accurate and smack of over reaction. and as stated above, the sox are not constrained in anyway by buchholz's contract. and he is moveable.

nothing to see here. let's move along everyone.  ;D
He's been "movable" for years, and yet he's gone nowhere even though he's been redundant to the extent that they put him in the pen. He's Wade Miley, and based on what Wade Miley is paid, he's signed for at least twice the going rate.
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