Author Topic: What would it take for the Celtics to trade for DeMarcus Cousins?  (Read 1546 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline slightly biased bias fan

  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1198
  • Tommy Points: 310
A hypothetical trade package would have to include multiple young players and draft picks

Trade rumor season has yet to begin in the NBA, but that hasn’t stopped the whispers surrounding DeMarcus Cousins. The 6-foot-11 center is once again thriving on a subpar Sacramento Kings team that has failed to win more than 32 games in a season during Cousins’ seven-year career.

While any move involving Cousins likely wouldn’t be made until after Dec. 15 (the date most newly signed free agents can be traded), Sean Deveney of The Sporting News reports that a trade for the double-double machine could be in play by the trade deadline.

Would the Celtics be interested in such a deal? It depends on which part of the organization you talk to, according to Zach Lowe of ESPN.com. While it’s fair to say all 29 NBA teams would be interested in trading for an All-Star like Cousins, it all comes down to the price tag.

The Celtics are one of the few teams in the league with the necessary assets to make a trade for a star, but the question of just how many assets Danny Ainge would be willing to sacrifice on a polarizing big man remains. With that in mind, we examined what a trade package might look like for the two-time All-Star.

Reviewing Past Superstar Trades

To understand what Cousins could fetch for Sacramento in a potential deal with Boston, it’s important to first get a sense of the NBA trade landscape for stars. Here’s a look at four trades of stars from the past five seasons and some underlying factors from the deals.

2011: Deron Williams (age 26, 1.5 years remaining on deal when traded): Dealt by the Utah Jazz to the New Jersey Nets for Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, cash, a 2011 1st round draft pick (No. 3 overall – Enes Kanter) and a 2013 1st round draft pick (No. 21 – Gorgui Dieng).

2011: Carmelo Anthony (age 26, in final year of contract when traded): Denver Nuggets dealt Anthony to New York Knicks in 3-team trade. Key parts of return for Nuggets: Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, Raymond Felton, Wilson Chandler, a 2014 first-round pick, 2 second-round picks

2012: James Harden (age 23, one year remaining on rookie deal when traded): Oklahoma City Thunder traded Harden, Lazar Hayward, Cole Aldrich and Daequan Cook to Houston Rockets for Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two future first-round picks (Steven Adams, Mitch McGary)  and one second-round pick.

2014: Kevin Love (age 25, one year remaining on contract when traded) Minnesota Timberwolves traded Love to Cleveland Cavaliers for Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett and Miami’s 2015 first-round pick.

Lessons Learned from Recent Star Trades

1. Comparable situation for Cousins: Deron Williams. The closest comparison we can make to Cousins’ current situation out of these past deals is Williams, largely because he had more than a year remaining on his contract when sent to the Nets in 2011. The former Jazz point guard had a stronger postseason track record in Utah and less baggage than Cousins does currently, but it’s fair to expect a comparable haul for the Kings center.

2. Star potential is required in the return package for a star – A player with a high ceiling or a future high draft pick was a requirement in all of these deals, outside of Harden. The Rockets shooting guard had less of a track record at the time he was traded than the others, so he is the exception. Gallinari, Wiggins and Favors had various ceilings of potential when dealt, but nearly all of them had a higher one than any current young pieces on the Celtics roster. 

3. An evolving financial landscape has made finding a trade tougher – While most of these deals came to be (Anthony, Love) out of fear that said player would walk upon hitting free agency, some did occur (Harden) due to money/salary cap restraints. Those concerns no longer exist in today’s NBA, in large part due to a salary cap number that now is over $94.1 million. Only two teams (Cleveland, LA Clippers) are even flirting with the luxury tax this year, and both of those franchises have owners with big pockets. That reality has created an atmosphere where stars hitting the trade market are harder to find and more costly to acquire with assets.

The Cousins Contract

Rumors have been swirling around Cousins for years, but his contract situation now makes a trade a more realistic possibility compared to past years, as Deveney reports. The center is due to become a free agent in the summer of 2018, leaving him with less than two years remaining on his current deal. Here’s the breakdown of said contract:

2016-17: $16,957,900

2017-18: $18,063,850


The possibility that Cousins leaves the Kings in free agency is very real if the big man wants to contend in the near future, so the trade window to maximize a major return for the Kings is starting to diminish. Conventional wisdom says the sooner the Kings make a move, the bigger bounty they can demand for the 26-year-old. The good news for them is that his current contract is a bargain compared to the other deals that were handed out last year in the face of a skyrocketing salary cap, making him an even more attractive chip for any NBA roster right now.

What would Cousins Cost the Celtics in a Hypothetical Deal?

Taking into account all of the necessary factors, we can properly speculate on Sacramento’s price tag for Boogie. Keep in mind this is a All-Star center in his prime who is currently averaging a career-high 28.7 ppg and shooting the 3-ball at a 39 percent clip. Despite his team’s lack of success over the years, the numbers indicate that Cousins still hasn’t reached his peak as a player, which only helps the Kings in trade talks.

Hypothetical Trade Package 1 (emptying the youth cupboard)

Celtics trade Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart, Amir Johnson, the 2017 Brooklyn first round pick swap and Brooklyn’s 2018 unprotected first round pick for DeMarcus Cousins, Omri Cassipi and Ben McLemore

Analysis: The Celtics have vigilantly tried to stock their backcourt over the past few seasons with plenty of young talent. Luckily, that’s one area of the Kings roster that could use some help, as the team’s current backcourt rotation consists of largely veteran journeymen (Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, Arron Afflalo).

With four of the top five 2017 draft prospects from DraftExpress projected to be point guards, the Kings would be able use the 2017 Nets pick swap find their point guard of the future. Jaylen Brown provides plenty of potential on the wing (another area of need for Sacramento), while the additional 2018 Brooklyn pick helps make up for the lack of a clear-cut potential star in the deal.

It would be a heavy price to pay for Boston, essentially spending their entire draft pick haul from Brooklyn on the right to acquire Cousins, but that’s the challenge of sparse trade market for stars. In order to offset the losses of Smart and Brown, the Kings include a couple of serviceable role players in the deal to round out the roster. To be clear, this is not an offer that the Celtics would necessarily agree to, it’s just one the Kings would likely give the green light to.

Hypothetical Trade Package 2 (sacrificing veterans over picks)

Celtics trade Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown, Amir Johnson Marcus Smart, the right to swap with Brooklyn in 2017 NBA Draft, an unprotected 2019 Celtics first round pick to Sacramento Kings for DeMarcus Cousins, Arron Afflalo and Omri Casspi 

Analysis: From a team-building standpoint, a complete tear down of the Kings roster is probably the best move if GM Vlade Divac is going to move on from the Cousins era in Sacramento. However, with an arena that just opened for the 2016-17 season, ownership may not have the stomach to take another step back after missing the playoffs for ten consecutive seasons already.

The inclusion of Avery Bradley in Boston’s hypothetical package (in place of the 2018 Brooklyn first round pick) helps Sacramento address this problem. While he might not have the star potential of a future lottery pick, he’s on a bargain contract through 2018 and his offensive ability is still growing by the year. Together with Marcus Smart, the pair could form one of the top defensive backcourts in the Western Conference immediately. That potential isn’t enough to convince the Kings to part with Cousins, so Danny Ainge could sweeten the deal with Jaylen Brown, the 2017 Brooklyn pick swap and another future first round pick to help restock the Kings’ draft stash.

The Celtics would get back a replacement starting shooting guard in the deal (Afflalo) to help soften the blow of losing Bradley. Casspi would provide additional shooting wing depth as well for Boston, and Ainge would still maintain a one Brooklyn pick in his stash in another deal to help fill out the roster.

The Looming Question

It’s once again important to emphasis that the potential deals I mentioned aren’t ones the Celtics would necessarily agree to. Instead, these are simply packages that would likely satisfy the Kings’ lofty demands for the time being. Ainge doesn’t like to pay full price for a star but that’s what he would be doing here.

The fact remains that the asking price for Cousins will only trend downwards as the season continues, and it remains unclear whether Danny Ainge would want to go all-in on a player like Cousins who has no track record of team success and question marks surrounding his attitude and effort. Still, as potential available superstars remain few and far between on the trade market, the Cousins question is one the Celtics will have to think long and hard about in the coming months.

Article from Boston.com https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2016/12/02/what-would-it-take-for-the-celtics-to-trade-for-demarcus-cousins By Brian Robb

« Last Edit: December 03, 2016, 04:28:52 AM by slightly biased bias fan »

Re: What would it take for the Celtics to trade for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2016, 05:05:37 AM »

Offline tazzmaniac

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8113
  • Tommy Points: 549
Definitely wouldn't do the 2nd hypothetical trade. 

That 1st hypothetical trade is in the ballpark but it is significantly more than the Nets gave up to get Deron Williams:   

Utah trades Deron Williams to New Jersey for Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, New Jersey’s 2011 first-round pick (Enes Kanter), Golden State’s future first-round pick (top-7 protected in 2013, top-6 protected in 2014, afterwards a 2014 and 2016 second round picks), and cash.

My comparative breakdown: 
Ben McLemore  -  Don't want him.   Wouldn't give up more than a decent 2nd rounder. 
Omri Casspi  -  Wouldn't mind him.   Wouldn't give up more than a decent 2nd rounder.
 
Nets 2017  >  Nets 2011        Close but the 2017 draft should be much stronger than 2011
Nets 2018  >>>>>  GSW 2013    The GSW 2013 isn't even as good as the Memphis 2019
Marcus Smart  =  Derrick Favors     Decent young role players
Amir Johnson  =  Devin Harris         Decent role players
Brown   >>>>>   McLemore and Casspi     Young rookie prospect versus a bust and role player

My trade offer: 
Nets 2017, Memphis 2019, Amir Johnson and one of (Smart or Brown) for Cousins and Casspi

If they chose Smart, might need to make a small trade to shore up the bench (e.g. Covington) 

Re: What would it take for the Celtics to trade for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2016, 05:25:35 AM »

Offline slightly biased bias fan

  • Bill Walton
  • *
  • Posts: 1198
  • Tommy Points: 310
Definitely wouldn't do the 2nd hypothetical trade. 

That 1st hypothetical trade is in the ballpark but it is significantly more than the Nets gave up to get Deron Williams:   

Utah trades Deron Williams to New Jersey for Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, New Jersey’s 2011 first-round pick (Enes Kanter), Golden State’s future first-round pick (top-7 protected in 2013, top-6 protected in 2014, afterwards a 2014 and 2016 second round picks), and cash.

My comparative breakdown: 
Ben McLemore  -  Don't want him.   Wouldn't give up more than a decent 2nd rounder. 
Omri Casspi  -  Wouldn't mind him.   Wouldn't give up more than a decent 2nd rounder.
 
Nets 2017  >  Nets 2011        Close but the 2017 draft should be much stronger than 2011
Nets 2018  >>>>>  GSW 2013    The GSW 2013 isn't even as good as the Memphis 2019
Marcus Smart  =  Derrick Favors     Decent young role players
Amir Johnson  =  Devin Harris         Decent role players
Brown   >>>>>   McLemore and Casspi     Young rookie prospect versus a bust and role player

My trade offer: 
Nets 2017, Memphis 2019, Amir Johnson and one of (Smart or Brown) for Cousins and Casspi

If they chose Smart, might need to make a small trade to shore up the bench (e.g. Covington)

Very good breakdown!

My personal trade package would be: Smart, Olynyk, Johnson, Yabusele or Nader, 17 Brooklyn pick, 17 Celtics pick, 19 Celtics pick

Smart would be a culture game changer with his effort and could be a franchise guard/borderline All Star given the right role and growth.

Olynyk would be a key piece they have been missing for a long time and slots next to WCS perfectly

17 Brooklyn pick this is a guaranteed to give Kings the opportunity to draft a first class player given the depth of the draft.

IMO this should be enough without Brown as I consider him way to valuable as a throw in.

I would also go after Bogut for a impactful bench role rental if the price becomes right (Zeller + pick).

Cousins/Bogut
Horford/Jerebko/Mickey
Crowder/Brown/
Bradley/FA or trade/Green
Thomas/Rozier/Jackson

« Last Edit: December 03, 2016, 05:35:29 AM by slightly biased bias fan »

Re: What would it take for the Celtics to trade for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2016, 05:51:19 AM »

Offline tazzmaniac

  • Don Nelson
  • ********
  • Posts: 8113
  • Tommy Points: 549
Definitely wouldn't do the 2nd hypothetical trade. 

That 1st hypothetical trade is in the ballpark but it is significantly more than the Nets gave up to get Deron Williams:   

Utah trades Deron Williams to New Jersey for Derrick Favors, Devin Harris, New Jersey’s 2011 first-round pick (Enes Kanter), Golden State’s future first-round pick (top-7 protected in 2013, top-6 protected in 2014, afterwards a 2014 and 2016 second round picks), and cash.

My comparative breakdown: 
Ben McLemore  -  Don't want him.   Wouldn't give up more than a decent 2nd rounder. 
Omri Casspi  -  Wouldn't mind him.   Wouldn't give up more than a decent 2nd rounder.
 
Nets 2017  >  Nets 2011        Close but the 2017 draft should be much stronger than 2011
Nets 2018  >>>>>  GSW 2013    The GSW 2013 isn't even as good as the Memphis 2019
Marcus Smart  =  Derrick Favors     Decent young role players
Amir Johnson  =  Devin Harris         Decent role players
Brown   >>>>>   McLemore and Casspi     Young rookie prospect versus a bust and role player

My trade offer: 
Nets 2017, Memphis 2019, Amir Johnson and one of (Smart or Brown) for Cousins and Casspi

If they chose Smart, might need to make a small trade to shore up the bench (e.g. Covington)

Very good breakdown!

My personal trade package would be: Smart, Olynyk, Johnson, Yabusele or Nader, 17 Brooklyn pick, 17 Celtics pick, 19 Celtics pick

Smart would be a culture game changer with his effort and could be a franchise guard/borderline All Star given the right role and growth.

Olynyk would be a key piece they have been missing for a long time and slots next to WCS perfectly

17 Brooklyn pick this is a guaranteed to give Kings the opportunity to draft a first class player given the depth of the draft.

IMO this should be enough without Brown as I consider him way to valuable as a throw in.

I would also go after Bogut for a impactful bench role rental if the price becomes right (Zeller + pick).

Horford/Bogut
Cousins/Jerebko/Mickey
Crowder/Brown/
Bradley/FA or trade/Green
Thomas/Rozier/Jackson
Trading 4 players for 1 won't happen.  The Kings would have to cut 3 players from their roster to make it work.  We have a pick swap this year so we can't trade both our 17 pick and the Nets 17 pick.  Olynyk will be an RFA so they'd have to be willing to pay quite a bit to retain him.   No reason to include Yabusele or Nader as they are not worth more than a 2nd rounder. 

Definitely onboard with getting both Bogut and Covington on reasonable trades to shore up the bench. 

Re: What would it take for the Celtics to trade for DeMarcus Cousins?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2016, 07:35:14 AM »

Offline SHAQATTACK

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 36776
  • Tommy Points: 2961
Nets picks , Brown and Bradley ,  it will be a very high price.  As we don't have a Wiggins type young star to trade for him.