+/- numbers are meaningless on an individual game basis. An individual player can play near perfectly one game and end up -20 and +20 in another, they are not an evaluation of how anyone played in a single game. Over the course of a season they tell a much clearer picture of a players true value, although even then they're not perfect.
Your one who brought them up, besides his PER and other advanced stats are down, these are facts not just opinion, which you offer.
The winshare stats you posted are cumulative over the course of a season and he has only played 17 games this year.
PER is one of the worst metrics ever created. It is worthless as a tool to evaluate players.
What does his draft class have to do with evaluating him as a player?
It was the original topic of this thread, perhaps you missed that and was discussed in other posts, did you read the whole thread, obviously not.
You point them out in this thread, with your post.
His +/- numbers have been ridiculous when compared to his teammates over all of his 4 years and it is no accident. His excellent defensive ratings are no accident either and in addition to all the little things he does well results in a player that makes a very positive impact.
Then run for the hills when you're scrutinized. You clearly brought advanced stats into the thread. Don't act like you understand advanced stats better than some of the board because you seem to be incapable of using them to assist your argument. Your not understanding what you see is a joke of an argument. But sadly it is not the biggest joke which I address below.
Basketball statistics can very easily lead people astray if you don't know exactly what you are looking at. Olynyk will likely pull 20 million plus a year contract offers in the off season (may very well pull a max offer) as his skill set is in extremely high demand and for good reason. Wait and see if you don't believe me
A max offer? I fell out of my chair laughing when I read this comment. This is quite frankly downright silly. I don't believe you and I would be willing to bet you,that he won't receive a max offer. This is not NBA LIVE or a video game.
As for what I see, I see a clear drop in production, stats bear this out thus far. I hope is post surgery funk but it may not be. I see a guy who too often is soft and non-aggressive though has some talent. I see Ainge not extending him, which he could, as testing the kid to see where he stands or views him as a chess piece. I think he will get money, but 20 million is a joke are you one of the ones who thought Sully would cash in too? They were wrong. Your completely and utterly wrong that he deserves a max contract. I think the GM craze on signing people for tons of cash is over. You might thank ET for that.