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Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?

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Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #120 on: December 03, 2016, 11:13:32 PM »

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Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #121 on: December 04, 2016, 01:38:20 AM »

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Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #122 on: December 04, 2016, 01:54:15 AM »

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Good Kelly, Bad Kelly one never knows who will show up.

But yet he was still a "safe" pick. Otto Porter was considered a "safe" pick too. Same with Hield. What all these pick should tell you is that  that safe picks rarely ever play out that way. Maybe he was safe because you know his floor, but even then you should take the best available all around prospect with the highest ceiling. Obviously that is up for interpretation (Danny's BPA has completely caught us off guard at times), but nonetheless should still be the strategy.

Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #123 on: December 04, 2016, 05:16:05 AM »

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Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #124 on: December 04, 2016, 09:00:22 AM »

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I never liked the Olynyk pick. Just hated his measurements and his lack of playing inside. The Cs originally had I think the 16th pick and I was hoping for Dennis Schoeder or Gorgui Dieng at the 16th slot. We traded up for Olynyk and he has become a truly inconsistent, injury prone non-rebounder whose lack of athleticism really hurts him at the everyday NBA level. I will have no problem if the Cs dont resign him this offseason.
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Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #125 on: December 04, 2016, 10:50:00 AM »

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I  liked the Olynyk pick. Just hated his measurements and his lack of playing inside. The Cs originally had I think the 16th pick and I was hoping for Dennis Schoeder or Gorgui Dieng at the 16th slot. We traded up for Olynyk and he has become a truly inconsistent, injury prone non-rebounder whose lack of athleticism really hurts him at the everyday NBA level. I will have no problem if the Cs dont resign him this offseason.

I totally understand your sentiments, but this is probably not the plan.


Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #126 on: December 04, 2016, 11:25:25 AM »

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Good Kelly, Bad Kelly one never knows who will show up.
His play on a given night depends on the hair style he's wearing.

The stats show that Kelly is a lot more effective when he's wearing a manbun.

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Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #127 on: December 04, 2016, 11:46:00 AM »

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The entire draft is a crap shoot, getting a player as good as expected is a good return.

This is an oxymoron. If it's a crap shoot, you don't have specific expectations.

Right, but you do have general expectations based on past drafts and what kind of career players taken at that spot generally have (from stars or starters at the top [though that's much, much more dependent on the strength of the draft than anything], to rotation players in the middle and deep bench players late)
You see that is the rub.  Kenyon Martin was the best player from his draft, so landing him at 1 was the best pick that could have been made.  Of course Kenyon Martin wasn't Lebron James or even Kyrie Irving. 

In a redraft I believe KO goes from 12-15, so I don't consider that a good pick, just an average pick.  I consider a good pick a player that would go higher in a redraft while a great pick is a guy that would go significantly higher.  Similarly, he wasn't a bad pick or a terrible pick. 
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Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #128 on: December 04, 2016, 07:32:22 PM »

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Let me know when he starts playing defense

well, considering he has a 102.1 defensive rating (which is better than our team defensive rating of 105.0), i would say he is playing adequate defense.

in fact, last year he had a defensive rating of 97.7, which was again better than our  elite team defensive rating of 100.9.

so, it appears as though you are wrong here. Olynyk is playing fairly solid defense. perhaps you should target your hatred towards another player on our team
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Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #129 on: December 04, 2016, 11:34:38 PM »

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Passing up on a young player with star potential for a nearly 4 years older complimentary role player is never a good pick.
presumably the logic behind Young over hood.
Young never had star potential.  If he had, he wouldn't have fallen to 17.  I'd put Young (and Sully) in the value pick category.

How about the Kings taking Thomas Robinson Damian Lillard, Evan Fournier, Jared Sullinger and Draymond Green in 2012? 

Athleticism and youth were pretty much the only things Robinson had going for him, and consensus was that he had massive upside. 

Or Sacramento selecting Bismack Biyumbo over Klay Thompson in 2011?


Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #130 on: December 05, 2016, 06:17:00 AM »

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His defense has been one of his better traits this season. He's worked very hard to become a good defender.
Stevens has mentioned how good his defense has been on multiple occasions.
he was once a poor defender, but that's just not true about him anymore.

 Kelly is a very under rated defender. He's not terrible guarding the PG on the pick and roll and his big defense on PnR is often very solid.
His post defense is very good overall too. For his lack of strength, he uses solid technique and IQ to guard most big men well overall.

He's not making the all defensive team but he's miles ahead of someone like Ryan Anderson.
He's still very young and is just going to keep improving. in 3 or 4 years he could be a better version of Ryan Anderson with D.
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Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #131 on: December 05, 2016, 07:06:15 AM »

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I definitely agree, what's scary about the celtics is that their current core is great already. Add those nets picks and it's a dynasty in the making if things break right for us (nets give us top 3 picks and the prospects develop nicely)
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Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #132 on: December 05, 2016, 08:10:36 AM »

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I  liked the Olynyk pick. Just hated his measurements and his lack of playing inside. The Cs originally had I think the 16th pick and I was hoping for Dennis Schoeder or Gorgui Dieng at the 16th slot. We traded up for Olynyk and he has become a truly inconsistent, injury prone non-rebounder whose lack of athleticism really hurts him at the everyday NBA level. I will have no problem if the Cs dont resign him this offseason.

I totally understand your sentiments, but this is probably not the plan.


That pic honestly sums up the entire problem with KO to me. Get the Canadian pacifist off my team

Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #133 on: December 05, 2016, 08:16:02 AM »

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Maybe we should go around talking about how Semih Erden was a good pick. They are both first ballot initiates into the Hall of Low Expectations and Settling.

When did players who deliver about what you would expect, or hope for at a minimum, start becoming "good" picks? When we started to realize Ainge isn't the greatest drafter.

Erden played 69 NBA games (starting 17) despite being the 60th overall pick in his draft.  That's actually a solid-to-good pick.

What would your definition of a good pick be, then? Getting a player that far exceeds their draft position?  If you apply that criteria to every pick made by every GM in the NBA, you won't find any good ones. Ainge should be compared to actual human GMs, not a mythical perfect GM that can see the future and always make the right decision
I would say perhaps a good pick is a pick where the player actually is a solid contributor to a contending team and swapping him out for someone else wouldn't be easy. Leon Powe....good pick. Perk...good pick. Erden.....not a bad pick. Not a good pick.   Then you have to look at context.  You might be able to show various statistics that Darko wasn't actually that bad. I say total bust from the get go because of the context.  JR Giddens. Bad pick made even worse due to context.  KO isn't that great but the context is even worse. The man inspires no fear whatsoever in any opposing team or player. He's not a good pick. Is he the worst pick ever? No? Is he a bad player? No. But was he a good pick? No.

Re: Is it safe to say that Kelly Olynyk was a good pick by Ainge now?
« Reply #134 on: December 05, 2016, 08:16:25 AM »

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Hm well he does have some Ryan Anderson with better D upside, so I think we'll sign him with a hometown discount. Also, we picked Lucas Nogueira with the 16th pick and traded him with 2 2nds for KO. I didn't particularly like the move because I thought Nogueira would've been a serviceable big ala Capela, but well we can only hope KO becomes what most of us hope him to be. (stretch 4 with PG skills and ok D)
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