Report: Blazers interested in Noel

[LooseCannon]

Does everyone agree with this:

If Philadelphia has no incentive to trade Noel, they will only trade him if they feel they are getting at least equal value back.  If Philadelphia has incentive to trade Noel, they would be willing to accept less than full value back in a trade.  How much less depends on how much incentive.  Philly could have some incentive to trade Noel and end up not trading him.

[LarBrd33]

they don't have incentive to do anything. 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.  All Noel has left on his rookie deal is the qualifying offer next year.  If he signs that, Philly CANNOT trade him without his consent and he then becomes an unrestricted free agent.  Any team Philly tries to trade Noel to faces the exact same problem.  The longer Philly waits to trade, teams will have LESS incentive to make a deal.  Why give up a lot for a guy who has already made it plain that he wants out of Philly and can make that happen after next season?

So while Philly could just let Noel walk for nothing rather than accept less than they may want, it is simply untrue to suggest that somehow they hold all the cards and have no incentive to trade him.

Mike

If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.

I'm not sure that you understand what the word "incentive" means. They have every reason and incentive in the world to make a trade before the deadline, because they're simply not going to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer. Bar none. So he'll essentially walk for nothing otherwise.

I don't think you guys understand what the word incentive means.   If the offers are garbage, they are far better off just keeping Noel off the bench as a defensive role player, either matching or signing him to a QO this Summer, and keeping him as a defensive role player next year until someone gives them an acceptable offer or they eventually let him walk years later or after his QO is over.   

That's unlikely to happen, though.  Lots of teams want Noel.  They'll probably get an offer that makes sense for them at some point before deadline.  If they don't get an acceptable offer, they'll keep him.  Tough cookies, Nerlens.  Suck it up and embrace your new role.

It'd be nice to only reason in the fantasy land that you create this situations out of...

This is the real NBA, and things simply don't work like that. They're not going to screw over a player like that, and you're completely ignorant of how things really work if you think that Noel wouldn't be a locker-room issue in that situation, especially after already voicing complaints.

Once again, this isn't fantasy basketball where context doesn't matter, no matter how much you want it to be... 

You have no basis for anything you're saying.  While Noel has been honest that having three Centers with star potential doesn't make much sense, there's really no basis to him being a "lock-room issue".   There's still minutes he could take there.  He could still help them.  He might still even be a long-term fit there.   

More than likely they'll get an acceptable offer and trade him.  Otherwise, he'll have to suck it up and stay there.

[jpotter33]

Does everyone agree with this:

If Philadelphia has no incentive to trade Noel, they will only trade him if they feel they are getting at least equal value back.  If Philadelphia has incentive to trade Noel, they would be willing to accept less than full value back in a trade.  How much less depends on how much incentive.  Philly could have some incentive to trade Noel and end up not trading him.

There's no point in entertaining any faux scenario where they don't have incentive to trade Noel, because it's absolutely undeniable that they do.

- Contract year that they don't want to pay next summer;

- Major logjam where the coach himself has even said he doesn't know where Noel gets minutes;

- Those things added together equate to major incentive to trade Noel.

This isn't even a question, and it's absolutely verified by numerous differing sources - they want to trade Noel and have every incentive and need to trade him.

[LarBrd33]

Does everyone agree with this:

If Philadelphia has no incentive to trade Noel, they will only trade him if they feel they are getting at least equal value back.  If Philadelphia has incentive to trade Noel, they would be willing to accept less than full value back in a trade.  How much less depends on how much incentive.  Philly could have some incentive to trade Noel and end up not trading him.

I've been trying to explain it to some of the people here for a long time.   Say the best offer they receive is a 3rd-string SF.  The consensus amongst the ignorant people here is "well they'd have to just take that, because that's the best offer they are gonna get".  Not really, though.  What good does a 3rd-string SF do if he's just going to average 10-15 minutes off their bench?  Why not just keep Noel and have him average 10-15 minutes off the bench?  He's a starter-level player without a defined role... that doesn't mean they are better off trading him for a scrub/lesser player that's going to make a lesser impact in the same limited minutes.   If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.  Some people here just can't understand that concept.   They think I'm "wrong", but the fact Noel is still a 76er proves me right.

Anyways... December 15 is a big date to circle. Numerous teams have interest in him.  I'd guess they'll eventually get an offer they find acceptable.

[jpotter33]

they don't have incentive to do anything. 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.  All Noel has left on his rookie deal is the qualifying offer next year.  If he signs that, Philly CANNOT trade him without his consent and he then becomes an unrestricted free agent.  Any team Philly tries to trade Noel to faces the exact same problem.  The longer Philly waits to trade, teams will have LESS incentive to make a deal.  Why give up a lot for a guy who has already made it plain that he wants out of Philly and can make that happen after next season?

So while Philly could just let Noel walk for nothing rather than accept less than they may want, it is simply untrue to suggest that somehow they hold all the cards and have no incentive to trade him.

Mike

If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.

I'm not sure that you understand what the word "incentive" means. They have every reason and incentive in the world to make a trade before the deadline, because they're simply not going to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer. Bar none. So he'll essentially walk for nothing otherwise.

I don't think you guys understand what the word incentive means.   If the offers are garbage, they are far better off just keeping Noel off the bench as a defensive role player, either matching or signing him to a QO this Summer, and keeping him as a defensive role player next year until someone gives them an acceptable offer or they eventually let him walk years later or after his QO is over.   

That's unlikely to happen, though.  Lots of teams want Noel.  They'll probably get an offer that makes sense for them at some point before deadline.  If they don't get an acceptable offer, they'll keep him.  Tough cookies, Nerlens.  Suck it up and embrace your new role.

It'd be nice to only reason in the fantasy land that you create this situations out of...

This is the real NBA, and things simply don't work like that. They're not going to screw over a player like that, and you're completely ignorant of how things really work if you think that Noel wouldn't be a locker-room issue in that situation, especially after already voicing complaints.

Once again, this isn't fantasy basketball where context doesn't matter, no matter how much you want it to be... 

You have no basis for anything you're saying.  While Noel has been honest that having three Centers with star potential doesn't make much sense, there's really no basis to him being a "lock-room issue".  There's still minutes he could take there.  He could still help them.  He might still even be a long-term fit there.   

More than likely they'll get an acceptable offer and trade him.  Otherwise, he'll have to suck it up and stay there.

This is why nobody here likes conversing with you and people always complain about you. This is just absolute confirmation bias non-sense, and it's a total misinterpretation and misrepresentation of the entire situation. You're just totally unreasonable to even have a normal conversation with anymore.

He voiced strong opposition to the logjam and said something has to be done. If you seriously think that they can screw him over by not trading him, matching any contract he gets in free agency, and then play him sparingly off the bench without any locker-room issues from him, then you're just as ignorant and out of touch with reality as Sam Hinkie, which I'm sure that you will take as a compliment.

[tazzmaniac]

they don't have incentive to do anything. 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.  All Noel has left on his rookie deal is the qualifying offer next year.  If he signs that, Philly CANNOT trade him without his consent and he then becomes an unrestricted free agent.  Any team Philly tries to trade Noel to faces the exact same problem.  The longer Philly waits to trade, teams will have LESS incentive to make a deal.  Why give up a lot for a guy who has already made it plain that he wants out of Philly and can make that happen after next season?

So while Philly could just let Noel walk for nothing rather than accept less than they may want, it is simply untrue to suggest that somehow they hold all the cards and have no incentive to trade him.

Mike

If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.

I'm not sure that you understand what the word "incentive" means. They have every reason and incentive in the world to make a trade before the deadline, because they're simply not going to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer. Bar none. So he'll essentially walk for nothing otherwise.

Letting Noel walk for nothing would be better than settling for an unacceptable trade.  I wouldn't trade Noel for Crabbe for example.   

Yeah... no it's not. Anything is better than nothing, even a second round pick. As long as it doesn't hamper them in the future, which pretty much nothing will with their cap situation, then something is always going to be better than nothing for them.

Nonsense.  Taking on a bad contract would be much worse than getting nothing.  By your logic, they ought to be willing to trade Noel for Turner.  Good GMs don't waste cap space to acquire vastly overpaid players on long term contracts. 

[LarBrd33]

they don't have incentive to do anything. 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.  All Noel has left on his rookie deal is the qualifying offer next year.  If he signs that, Philly CANNOT trade him without his consent and he then becomes an unrestricted free agent.  Any team Philly tries to trade Noel to faces the exact same problem.  The longer Philly waits to trade, teams will have LESS incentive to make a deal.  Why give up a lot for a guy who has already made it plain that he wants out of Philly and can make that happen after next season?

So while Philly could just let Noel walk for nothing rather than accept less than they may want, it is simply untrue to suggest that somehow they hold all the cards and have no incentive to trade him.

Mike

If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.

I'm not sure that you understand what the word "incentive" means. They have every reason and incentive in the world to make a trade before the deadline, because they're simply not going to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer. Bar none. So he'll essentially walk for nothing otherwise.

I don't think you guys understand what the word incentive means.   If the offers are garbage, they are far better off just keeping Noel off the bench as a defensive role player, either matching or signing him to a QO this Summer, and keeping him as a defensive role player next year until someone gives them an acceptable offer or they eventually let him walk years later or after his QO is over.   

That's unlikely to happen, though.  Lots of teams want Noel.  They'll probably get an offer that makes sense for them at some point before deadline.  If they don't get an acceptable offer, they'll keep him.  Tough cookies, Nerlens.  Suck it up and embrace your new role.

It'd be nice to only reason in the fantasy land that you create this situations out of...

This is the real NBA, and things simply don't work like that. They're not going to screw over a player like that, and you're completely ignorant of how things really work if you think that Noel wouldn't be a locker-room issue in that situation, especially after already voicing complaints.

Once again, this isn't fantasy basketball where context doesn't matter, no matter how much you want it to be... 

You have no basis for anything you're saying.  While Noel has been honest that having three Centers with star potential doesn't make much sense, there's really no basis to him being a "lock-room issue".  There's still minutes he could take there.  He could still help them.  He might still even be a long-term fit there.   

More than likely they'll get an acceptable offer and trade him.  Otherwise, he'll have to suck it up and stay there.

He voiced strong opposition to the logjam and said something has to be done.

He was asked about the situation and he gave a candid answer.

    "I think it's just silly . . . this situation that we are in now with three starting centers," Noel said on the eve of the Sixers' media day. "With the departure of [former general manager and president] Sam Hinkie, I would have figured that management would be able to get something done this summer."

    ...

    "I feel like it definitely needs to be figured out," he said. "I think at the end of the day, again, you have three starting-caliber centers. And it's just not going to work to anybody's advantage having that on the same team. That's how I'm looking at it. I'm not opposed to anything, but things need to be situated."

    Noel said he wasn't speaking negatively about the team's other starting-caliber centers, Embiid and Jahlil Okafor. Nor was he speaking for them.

    "Don't get me wrong. We all get along great on the court and off the court," Noel said. "But at the end of the day, it's like having three starting quarterbacks. It doesn't make any sense."

People whine about players being politically correct, but Nerlens gives and honest answer to an honest question and folks like you spin it into him being some kind of lockerroom cancer.

Noel didn't say anything that we didn't already know.  Having three centers with star potential doesn't make much sense.  He clearly would prefer to play elsewhere.  Unfortunately for him, he has no choice in the matter.   And unfortunate for him, if nobody makes the Sixers an acceptable offer for Noel, they have no incentive to trade him and he'll be stuck there.   Is what it is.

The thing is, the Sixers could actually use what Noel brings to the table right now.  He might actually have a key role to play on this team.  He might even be able to play with Embiid.  The Sixers might legitimately be better off keeping Noel than trading him for a scrub that's going to get 10-15 minutes off their bench.  There's no sense whatsoever in the team doing that.  That'd be silly.

[GratefulCs]

they don't have incentive to do anything. 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.  All Noel has left on his rookie deal is the qualifying offer next year.  If he signs that, Philly CANNOT trade him without his consent and he then becomes an unrestricted free agent.  Any team Philly tries to trade Noel to faces the exact same problem.  The longer Philly waits to trade, teams will have LESS incentive to make a deal.  Why give up a lot for a guy who has already made it plain that he wants out of Philly and can make that happen after next season?

So while Philly could just let Noel walk for nothing rather than accept less than they may want, it is simply untrue to suggest that somehow they hold all the cards and have no incentive to trade him.

Mike

If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.

I'm not sure that you understand what the word "incentive" means. They have every reason and incentive in the world to make a trade before the deadline, because they're simply not going to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer. Bar none. So he'll essentially walk for nothing otherwise.

Letting Noel walk for nothing would be better than settling for an unacceptable trade.  I wouldn't trade Noel for Crabbe for example.   

Yeah... no it's not. Anything is better than nothing, even a second round pick. As long as it doesn't hamper them in the future, which pretty much nothing will with their cap situation, then something is always going to be better than nothing for them.

Nonsense.  Taking on a bad contract would be much worse than getting nothing. By your logic, they ought to be willing to trade Noel for Turner.  Good GMs don't waste cap space to acquire vastly overpaid players on long term contracts.

that's why he said "as long as it doesn't hamper them in the future"

[jpotter33]

they don't have incentive to do anything. 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.  All Noel has left on his rookie deal is the qualifying offer next year.  If he signs that, Philly CANNOT trade him without his consent and he then becomes an unrestricted free agent.  Any team Philly tries to trade Noel to faces the exact same problem.  The longer Philly waits to trade, teams will have LESS incentive to make a deal.  Why give up a lot for a guy who has already made it plain that he wants out of Philly and can make that happen after next season?

So while Philly could just let Noel walk for nothing rather than accept less than they may want, it is simply untrue to suggest that somehow they hold all the cards and have no incentive to trade him.

Mike

If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.

I'm not sure that you understand what the word "incentive" means. They have every reason and incentive in the world to make a trade before the deadline, because they're simply not going to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer. Bar none. So he'll essentially walk for nothing otherwise.

Letting Noel walk for nothing would be better than settling for an unacceptable trade.  I wouldn't trade Noel for Crabbe for example.   

Yeah... no it's not. Anything is better than nothing, even a second round pick. As long as it doesn't hamper them in the future, which pretty much nothing will with their cap situation, then something is always going to be better than nothing for them.

Nonsense.  Taking on a bad contract would be much worse than getting nothing.  By your logic, they ought to be willing to trade Noel for Turner.  Good GMs don't waste cap space to acquire vastly overpaid players on long term contracts.

Sigh. I *explicitly* said the exact opposite of that...

"As long as it doesn't hamper them in the future, which pretty much nothing will with their cap situation, then something is always going to be better than nothing for them."

So, no, my "logic" does not equate to saying they should trade for someone like Turner - I explicitly said the opposite of that. However, something like Rozier and the Memphis pick, if it's on the table, is 50x better than letting him walk for nothing.

[LooseCannon]

Does everyone agree with this:

If Philadelphia has no incentive to trade Noel, they will only trade him if they feel they are getting at least equal value back.  If Philadelphia has incentive to trade Noel, they would be willing to accept less than full value back in a trade.  How much less depends on how much incentive.  Philly could have some incentive to trade Noel and end up not trading him.

There's no point in entertaining any faux scenario where they don't have incentive to trade Noel, because it's absolutely undeniable that they do.

- Contract year that they don't want to pay next summer;

- Major logjam where the coach himself has even said he doesn't know where Noel gets minutes;

- Those things added together equate to major incentive to trade Noel.

This isn't even a question, and it's absolutely verified by numerous differing sources - they want to trade Noel and have every incentive and need to trade him.

I'm starting at the very beginning.  So, you begin with how much value would Philly need to get back if they have zero incentive to trade Noel.  That gives you a baseline value.  Once you establish that price, then you can evaluate how much incentive they have to trade him by determining how much you think they are willing to come down on price in order to move him and get something in return.   

Are they so desperate to trade him that they would move him for a second round pick if that was the best offer at the trade deadline?  I don't think so.  They can have an incentive to trade him, but that doesn't mean they will give him away.  Anyone who thinks that Noel not being traded is proof that Philadelphia has no incentive to trade him is flat-out wrong.

You also need to consider that the 76ers have incentive to not look like a pushover in any trade, since they might be looking to move Okafor also and might end up having to choose between Saric and Simmons and trading one of them, so it may be preferable to get nothing back for Noel instead of giving too much of a discount off of the full price.

[fairweatherfan]

They have incentive, but they don't NEED to trade him. I don't think they'll get desperate and dump him, but they'll look hard at anything reasonable.

[LooseCannon]

they don't have incentive to do anything. 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.  All Noel has left on his rookie deal is the qualifying offer next year.  If he signs that, Philly CANNOT trade him without his consent and he then becomes an unrestricted free agent.  Any team Philly tries to trade Noel to faces the exact same problem.  The longer Philly waits to trade, teams will have LESS incentive to make a deal.  Why give up a lot for a guy who has already made it plain that he wants out of Philly and can make that happen after next season?

So while Philly could just let Noel walk for nothing rather than accept less than they may want, it is simply untrue to suggest that somehow they hold all the cards and have no incentive to trade him.

Mike

If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.

I'm not sure that you understand what the word "incentive" means. They have every reason and incentive in the world to make a trade before the deadline, because they're simply not going to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer. Bar none. So he'll essentially walk for nothing otherwise.

Letting Noel walk for nothing would be better than settling for an unacceptable trade.  I wouldn't trade Noel for Crabbe for example.   

Yeah... no it's not. Anything is better than nothing, even a second round pick. As long as it doesn't hamper them in the future, which pretty much nothing will with their cap situation, then something is always going to be better than nothing for them.

Nonsense.  Taking on a bad contract would be much worse than getting nothing.  By your logic, they ought to be willing to trade Noel for Turner.  Good GMs don't waste cap space to acquire vastly overpaid players on long term contracts.

Sigh. I *explicitly* said the exact opposite of that...

"As long as it doesn't hamper them in the future, which pretty much nothing will with their cap situation, then something is always going to be better than nothing for them."

So, no, my "logic" does not equate to saying they should trade for someone like Turner - I explicitly said the opposite of that. However, something like Rozier and the Memphis pick, if it's on the table, is 50x better than letting him walk for nothing.

If there is a 50% chance that they can get an offer more than twice as good than Rozier plus the Memphis pick by waiting, then it would be mathematically better to risk letting Noel walk for nothing.

[LarBrd33]

they don't have incentive to do anything. 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.  All Noel has left on his rookie deal is the qualifying offer next year.  If he signs that, Philly CANNOT trade him without his consent and he then becomes an unrestricted free agent.  Any team Philly tries to trade Noel to faces the exact same problem.  The longer Philly waits to trade, teams will have LESS incentive to make a deal.  Why give up a lot for a guy who has already made it plain that he wants out of Philly and can make that happen after next season?

So while Philly could just let Noel walk for nothing rather than accept less than they may want, it is simply untrue to suggest that somehow they hold all the cards and have no incentive to trade him.

Mike

If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.

I'm not sure that you understand what the word "incentive" means. They have every reason and incentive in the world to make a trade before the deadline, because they're simply not going to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer. Bar none. So he'll essentially walk for nothing otherwise.

Letting Noel walk for nothing would be better than settling for an unacceptable trade.  I wouldn't trade Noel for Crabbe for example.   

Yeah... no it's not. Anything is better than nothing, even a second round pick. As long as it doesn't hamper them in the future, which pretty much nothing will with their cap situation, then something is always going to be better than nothing for them.

Nonsense.  Taking on a bad contract would be much worse than getting nothing.  By your logic, they ought to be willing to trade Noel for Turner.  Good GMs don't waste cap space to acquire vastly overpaid players on long term contracts.

Sigh. I *explicitly* said the exact opposite of that...

"As long as it doesn't hamper them in the future, which pretty much nothing will with their cap situation, then something is always going to be better than nothing for them."

That's not necessarily true, though.  You asked me previously if I think the Sixers could seriously just hang onto him, make him the qualifying offer or match any offer he gets, and keep him in a limited role.   

The answer is "of course".  Of course they can do that.  Yes.  Absolutely.   No doubt they can do that.  WHat's he gonna do?  Pout?  Demand a trade?  How's that going to help him in any way?  If nobody is willing to make an acceptable offer it means there's no interest in him... his agent will tell him to suck it up, play hard, improve his game and draw interest from teams.   

Is that ideal for Philly?  Of course not.  Of course it's not ideal for Philly. 

But any offer Philly gets they need to say, "ok... are we better off keeping Noel in a limited role... or better off taking this garbage offer?'

So far, as I've been telling you for over a year now, the answer has clearly been "Ok, we are better off keeping Noel in a limited role than taking this garbage offer."

If the players they get back don't positively impact the team more than Noel in a limited role, there's no incentive whatsoever for Philly to make a move. 

Terry Rozier right now is an intriguing prospect.  He's getting about 20 minutes per night and looks really good in those minutes.  Rozier doesn't have a direct path to starting.  Smart and Bradley both hold the starting slots.  Marcus Smart gets the bulk of the back-up minutes.  Let's play make-believe for a second and pretend that Thomas, Smart AND Rozier were all starter-level PGs.   Someone might ask Rozier how he feels about it.  Rozier might say, "You know what, this situation is silly.  They have three starting PGs.  Something needs to be done".  What's Roz gonna do?  Demand a trade?  Pout?  No, he'll suck it up and keep playing in his limited role.  And while we do need a Center, if all the offers Boston is getting are garbage offers of 3rd string centers who would play behind Amir and Zeller, Boston will need to ask themselves, "Are we better off keeping Rozier in his 20 minutes off the bench where he makes positive contributions in those 20 minutes, or moving him for a crappy center who will average 10-15 minutes and make less positive contirbutions?".   Easy answer - you keep Rozier, because there's no incentive to trade him.

[jpotter33]

they don't have incentive to do anything. 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.  All Noel has left on his rookie deal is the qualifying offer next year.  If he signs that, Philly CANNOT trade him without his consent and he then becomes an unrestricted free agent.  Any team Philly tries to trade Noel to faces the exact same problem.  The longer Philly waits to trade, teams will have LESS incentive to make a deal.  Why give up a lot for a guy who has already made it plain that he wants out of Philly and can make that happen after next season?

So while Philly could just let Noel walk for nothing rather than accept less than they may want, it is simply untrue to suggest that somehow they hold all the cards and have no incentive to trade him.

Mike

If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.

I'm not sure that you understand what the word "incentive" means. They have every reason and incentive in the world to make a trade before the deadline, because they're simply not going to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer. Bar none. So he'll essentially walk for nothing otherwise.

I don't think you guys understand what the word incentive means.   If the offers are garbage, they are far better off just keeping Noel off the bench as a defensive role player, either matching or signing him to a QO this Summer, and keeping him as a defensive role player next year until someone gives them an acceptable offer or they eventually let him walk years later or after his QO is over.   

That's unlikely to happen, though.  Lots of teams want Noel.  They'll probably get an offer that makes sense for them at some point before deadline.  If they don't get an acceptable offer, they'll keep him.  Tough cookies, Nerlens.  Suck it up and embrace your new role.

It'd be nice to only reason in the fantasy land that you create this situations out of...

This is the real NBA, and things simply don't work like that. They're not going to screw over a player like that, and you're completely ignorant of how things really work if you think that Noel wouldn't be a locker-room issue in that situation, especially after already voicing complaints.

Once again, this isn't fantasy basketball where context doesn't matter, no matter how much you want it to be... 

You have no basis for anything you're saying.  While Noel has been honest that having three Centers with star potential doesn't make much sense, there's really no basis to him being a "lock-room issue".  There's still minutes he could take there.  He could still help them.  He might still even be a long-term fit there.   

More than likely they'll get an acceptable offer and trade him.  Otherwise, he'll have to suck it up and stay there.

He voiced strong opposition to the logjam and said something has to be done.

He was asked about the situation and he gave a candid answer.

    "I think it's just silly . . . this situation that we are in now with three starting centers," Noel said on the eve of the Sixers' media day. "With the departure of [former general manager and president] Sam Hinkie, I would have figured that management would be able to get something done this summer."

    ...

    "I feel like it definitely needs to be figured out," he said. "I think at the end of the day, again, you have three starting-caliber centers. And it's just not going to work to anybody's advantage having that on the same team. That's how I'm looking at it. I'm not opposed to anything, but things need to be situated."

    Noel said he wasn't speaking negatively about the team's other starting-caliber centers, Embiid and Jahlil Okafor. Nor was he speaking for them.

    "Don't get me wrong. We all get along great on the court and off the court," Noel said. "But at the end of the day, it's like having three starting quarterbacks. It doesn't make any sense."

People whine about players being politically correct, but Nerlens gives and honest answer to an honest question and folks like you spin it into him being some kind of lockerroom cancer.

Noel didn't say anything that we didn't already know.  Having three centers with star potential doesn't make much sense.  He clearly would prefer to play elsewhere.  Unfortunately for him, he has no choice in the matter.   And unfortunate for him, if nobody makes the Sixers an acceptable offer for Noel, they have no incentive to trade him and he'll be stuck there.   Is what it is.

The thing is, the Sixers could actually use what Noel brings to the table right now.  He might actually have a key role to play on this team.  He might even be able to play with Embiid.  The Sixers might legitimately be better off keeping Noel than trading him for a scrub that's going to get 10-15 minutes off their bench.  There's no sense whatsoever in the team doing that.  That'd be silly.

Haha naw son. Only you can spin the evidence enough to always support your narrative, no matter how ridiculous it is. This is an exercise in futility at this point.

We'll just have to wait until he's traded for a middling return to determine this, which I'm sure will be about the time that you will "move the goalpost" and claim that you were right all along - classic LarBrd33 move (see Brooklyn Nets record last year for an example of this).

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they don't have incentive to do anything. 

Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.  All Noel has left on his rookie deal is the qualifying offer next year.  If he signs that, Philly CANNOT trade him without his consent and he then becomes an unrestricted free agent.  Any team Philly tries to trade Noel to faces the exact same problem.  The longer Philly waits to trade, teams will have LESS incentive to make a deal.  Why give up a lot for a guy who has already made it plain that he wants out of Philly and can make that happen after next season?

So while Philly could just let Noel walk for nothing rather than accept less than they may want, it is simply untrue to suggest that somehow they hold all the cards and have no incentive to trade him.

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If they don't get an acceptable offer, they have no incentive to trade him.

I'm not sure that you understand what the word "incentive" means. They have every reason and incentive in the world to make a trade before the deadline, because they're simply not going to pay him the contract he's going to get this summer. Bar none. So he'll essentially walk for nothing otherwise.

Letting Noel walk for nothing would be better than settling for an unacceptable trade.  I wouldn't trade Noel for Crabbe for example.   

Yeah... no it's not. Anything is better than nothing, even a second round pick. As long as it doesn't hamper them in the future, which pretty much nothing will with their cap situation, then something is always going to be better than nothing for them.

Nonsense.  Taking on a bad contract would be much worse than getting nothing.  By your logic, they ought to be willing to trade Noel for Turner.  Good GMs don't waste cap space to acquire vastly overpaid players on long term contracts.

Sigh. I *explicitly* said the exact opposite of that...

"As long as it doesn't hamper them in the future, which pretty much nothing will with their cap situation, then something is always going to be better than nothing for them."

So, no, my "logic" does not equate to saying they should trade for someone like Turner - I explicitly said the opposite of that. However, something like Rozier and the Memphis pick, if it's on the table, is 50x better than letting him walk for nothing.

You said pretty much nothing will hamper them with their cap space in reference to my saying I wouldn't trade Noel for Crabbe.   Crabbe is on a hugely overpaid contract just like Turner.  As for Rozier and the Memphis pick that is a pretty decent offer for Noel.  However it wouldn't be good enough to induce me to trade Noel right now.  I'd showcase Noel and hold out until the trade deadline looking for a better offer.