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Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2016, 09:56:41 PM »

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Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #46 on: December 05, 2016, 12:18:00 PM »

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I'm all for adding Bogut cheap, but does anyone actually buy that it'll change the Celtics fortunes during his 6 month rental?

He can definitely improve the rebounding a ton, and honestly is way better than Amir or Zeller right now on the boards.

Also he could really help in the playoffs, because the last thing we need is to lose playoff games because Zeller or Amir can't grab a rebound or two late in games... Bogut solves that.
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Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #47 on: December 05, 2016, 12:39:54 PM »

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I'm all for adding Bogut cheap, but does anyone actually buy that it'll change the Celtics fortunes during his 6 month rental?

I think that the Celtics are less than a full superstar away from being a legitimate contender, so maybe.
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Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #48 on: December 05, 2016, 01:03:25 PM »

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Does he make us a title contender this year?   He should would help but that is the big question to me.
No he won't but he'd be a cheap improvement that wouldn't limit our options.  There's no one that we could realistically acquire other than Cousins who would make us a true contender this year.

How about Marcin Gortat for 2 future 2nds and Zeller. Washington is going nowhere fast.

This is what i am thinking.  Gortat would be perfect though I don't think he will be quite that cheap but I would give up more for him.  Hopefully Washington keeps losing. 

Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #49 on: December 05, 2016, 01:18:04 PM »

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Does he make us a title contender this year?   He should would help but that is the big question to me.
No he won't but he'd be a cheap improvement that wouldn't limit our options.  There's no one that we could realistically acquire other than Cousins who would make us a true contender this year.

How about Marcin Gortat for 2 future 2nds and Zeller. Washington is going nowhere fast.

This is what i am thinking.  Gortat would be perfect though I don't think he will be quite that cheap but I would give up more for him.  Hopefully Washington keeps losing.

Maybe a conditional 1st instead of 2 2nd rounders? Washington is going nowhere fast and could use an injection of cheap young talent. Gortat would be perfect next to horford in the starting line up.

Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2016, 01:25:23 PM »

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I'm all for adding Bogut cheap, but does anyone actually buy that it'll change the Celtics fortunes during his 6 month rental?

I think that the Celtics are less than a full superstar away from being a legitimate contender, so maybe.

Can't agree with this. The Cs are not close to contending with a Bogut addition -- especially considering his injury history.

I get he heals some immediate wounds, but I struggle to see why we'd give up ANYTHING of legit value to do so.
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Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2016, 01:34:41 PM »

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I'm all for adding Bogut cheap, but does anyone actually buy that it'll change the Celtics fortunes during his 6 month rental?

I think that the Celtics are less than a full superstar away from being a legitimate contender, so maybe.

Can't agree with this. The Cs are not close to contending with a Bogut addition -- especially considering his injury history.

I get he heals some immediate wounds, but I struggle to see why we'd give up ANYTHING of legit value to do so.

i'd give up a guy like young/d-jax/mickey and a second rounder or two.

dallas needs to start over and build around Barnes, their top pick, and any young talent they can find. for us, those guys dont do anything for us, and the last thing we need is more late picks.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #52 on: December 05, 2016, 01:44:13 PM »

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I'm all for adding Bogut cheap, but does anyone actually buy that it'll change the Celtics fortunes during his 6 month rental?

I think that the Celtics are less than a full superstar away from being a legitimate contender, so maybe.

Can't agree with this. The Cs are not close to contending with a Bogut addition -- especially considering his injury history.

I get he heals some immediate wounds, but I struggle to see why we'd give up ANYTHING of legit value to do so.
yeah. I have to agree here. Bogut doesnt make us contenders, but he could bring us to the front of the pretenders.

I want to add him because I think hed help a lot. hed make it more likely that we grab to 2 seed and get to the ECF. However, because hes a rental and wont vault us to contention Im not giving up anything big for him.

No way they are touching a nets pick or the Grizzlies pick or any of Thomas Bradley Crowder Horford Smart Brown or even probably Rozier.

Id give them our '18 first and Zeller. Thats about as far as Id go.
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Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2016, 02:40:08 PM »

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In response to the OP, "maybe they are".

This from a poster on RealGM in the trade thread:

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CLNS Radio podcast guy claims he has an exclusive update on Bogut's trade status that should come out in the next 36 hours.

http://castplus-prod-served-episodes.s3.amazonaws.com/573b0f4763191f535fd0d358/573b100863191f535fd0d359/Celtics_Beat_with_Jeff_Goodman_December_4_2016.mp3

Turn to around 50:00 in the podcast to hear it. Interesting that CLNS all of a sudden has a source in on this.

I think that it's going to be that we're waiting until January until we can trade Zeller.

How is CLNS as a source? maybe some cred here.

It was not at the 50 minute mark.  Where is it?  What was said?

Thanks,

Smitty77

Just listened again and it's there from 50:06 to 50:40.

he sounded very confident. i will check back on his podcast in a day or two, see what's up
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #54 on: December 05, 2016, 03:48:41 PM »

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What....http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0597519610903796028-4

this is the "exclusive" update we've been waiting 36 hours for? LAME
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #55 on: December 05, 2016, 04:54:27 PM »

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Gortat is averaging 12 rebounds a game and Bogut is averaging 10 rebounds a game this year. Either one would be a big space eater. Grotto has a nice 20 footer like Zeller but can rebound. I think they are both plus defenders and would fit in with AL. One of them should be available by the trade deadline if both teams still both stink. Dallas may come on a little so Bogut may not be available but I don't think Washington is going anywhere but to the lottery. Grotto does put us over the top but makes us second best team in the East. It is added salary if we think we are signing a top free agent in the off season so the best move may be know move. Improved rebounding seems like a necessity for us to make noise in the playoffs.

Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #56 on: December 05, 2016, 05:17:35 PM »

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Bogut would be nice backup for Boogie and Al

Send Kelly Zeller and Tyler Zeller .....NON contact centers making millions to the dumpster

Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #57 on: December 05, 2016, 05:54:24 PM »

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I'm all for adding Bogut cheap, but does anyone actually buy that it'll change the Celtics fortunes during his 6 month rental?

I think that the Celtics are less than a full superstar away from being a legitimate contender, so maybe.

Can't agree with this. The Cs are not close to contending with a Bogut addition -- especially considering his injury history.

I get he heals some immediate wounds, but I struggle to see why we'd give up ANYTHING of legit value to do so.

Agree.

There is also salary matching to consider, which could hamper future trades for stars. We'd have to send out ~$9M to take back Bogut's $11M salary.

Right now we have about $29M in expiring contracts

Amir $12
Zeller $8
JJ $5
KO $3
Gerald $1.5

That means we can take back $35M in salary, which could net us any contract in the league, and maybe even two stars if their deals were under the old CBA (like Cousins at $12M).

This flexibility is huge, and I wouldn't sacrifice it for a minor upgrade like Bogut unless we got a bona-fide superstar first, then added Bogut to shore things up afterwards.

Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2016, 12:55:48 PM »

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I'm all for adding Bogut cheap, but does anyone actually buy that it'll change the Celtics fortunes during his 6 month rental?

I think that the Celtics are less than a full superstar away from being a legitimate contender, so maybe.

Can't agree with this. The Cs are not close to contending with a Bogut addition -- especially considering his injury history.

I get he heals some immediate wounds, but I struggle to see why we'd give up ANYTHING of legit value to do so.

Agree.

There is also salary matching to consider, which could hamper future trades for stars. We'd have to send out ~$9M to take back Bogut's $11M salary.

Right now we have about $29M in expiring contracts

Amir $12
Zeller $8
JJ $5
KO $3
Gerald $1.5

That means we can take back $35M in salary, which could net us any contract in the league, and maybe even two stars if their deals were under the old CBA (like Cousins at $12M).

This flexibility is huge, and I wouldn't sacrifice it for a minor upgrade like Bogut unless we got a bona-fide superstar first, then added Bogut to shore things up afterwards.
You get Bogut to show the stare like Boogie or George we have it all but you. Bogut will love Boston.
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Re: It's Time To Think Hard About Trading For Andrew Bogut
« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2016, 01:06:03 PM »

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I'm all for adding Bogut cheap, but does anyone actually buy that it'll change the Celtics fortunes during his 6 month rental?

I think that the Celtics are less than a full superstar away from being a legitimate contender, so maybe.

Can't agree with this. The Cs are not close to contending with a Bogut addition -- especially considering his injury history.

I get he heals some immediate wounds, but I struggle to see why we'd give up ANYTHING of legit value to do so.

Agree.

There is also salary matching to consider, which could hamper future trades for stars. We'd have to send out ~$9M to take back Bogut's $11M salary.

Right now we have about $29M in expiring contracts

Amir $12
Zeller $8
JJ $5
KO $3
Gerald $1.5

That means we can take back $35M in salary, which could net us any contract in the league, and maybe even two stars if their deals were under the old CBA (like Cousins at $12M).

This flexibility is huge, and I wouldn't sacrifice it for a minor upgrade like Bogut unless we got a bona-fide superstar first, then added Bogut to shore things up afterwards.

Want to point out that because we aren't paying the luxury tax, we need to send out a shade under $7.3 million to match for Bogut.  So Zeller works straight up.  Likewise, Amir can be traded straight up for Cousins (we need to send out $11.95 million for him).  Making two moves in which we take on salary and only send out 1-2 contracts per trade is not very difficult.  Finding willing trading partners is by far the greater obstacle.