2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (We Did It Guys! Fireworks!!!)

[jpotter33]

If we miss Hayward...

then just overpay for Paul Millsap. Rather have him over Olynyk.

Agreed. You have to sign someone like that with that space, even older Millsap. There's even an argument to be made that adding Millsap would make us better than adding Hayward alone.

Doing nothing is just unacceptable.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If we miss Hayward...

then just overpay for Paul Millsap. Rather have him over Olynyk.

Agreed. You have to sign someone like that with that space, even older Millsap. There's even an argument to be made that adding Millsap would make us better than adding Hayward alone.

Doing nothing is just unacceptable.

Isn't this the reason we didn't trade for anyone by the deadline?

If he didn't use the space for anyone significant, someone has to really consider putting his job on the line.

He had a plan, and if his plan failed, he has to be accountable.

[saltlover]

If we miss Hayward...

then just overpay for Paul Millsap. Rather have him over Olynyk.

Agreed. You have to sign someone like that with that space, even older Millsap. There's even an argument to be made that adding Millsap would make us better than adding Hayward alone.

Doing nothing is just unacceptable.

Isn't this the reason we didn't trade for anyone by the deadline?

If he didn't use the space for anyone significant, someone has to really consider putting his job on the line.

He had a plan, and if his plan failed, he has to be accountable.

You have an absurd definition of failure.  The plan was four years ago to collect high draft picks and try to strike in free agency in the future.  The plan became more successful quickly than people expected, and since he taking that final are is by far the most difficult, he should be canned?

I thank every day that Wyc and Co. run the Celtics, and not forum posters.

Seriously, the Celtics and Sixers started their teardown on the same day.  The Sixers made their best picks earlier in the process -- the Celtics picks weren't going to come for 3-5 years later.  The teams had the same plan.  Except in the meanwhile, the Celtics have a top team, and they will continue to have a top team next year.

There are 3-5 franchise championship players in the NBA at any given time.  The Celtics don't have one, right now.  You can win without one, as we did in 2008, but it's difficult, the margin for error small, and the likelihood of repeating is low.  Paul George was not one of those players.  Gordon Hayward is not one of those players.  Isaiah Thomas is not ore.  Al Horford is not one.  Maybe (MAYBE) having all four would have been enough to replicate 2008.  But otherwise, we're getting that player through the draft.  Maybe we already have him in Tatum.  We took a swing last year in trying to get one (Durant) through free agency.  That opportunity isn't coming along again for awhile.

While we wait for that championship player to come along, we'll still be very good.  Maybe one of those players becomes available for trade (Davis), and then Ainge will break open the piggy bank.  George is a terrific player, but Ainge was right to hold onto the best chance he has for that championship player, which is Tatum, Brown, and the Brooklyn and Lakers/Kings picks.

The goal in Boston is Banner 18, 19, and 20.  It's not about losing less badly to Cleveland next year.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

If we miss Hayward...

then just overpay for Paul Millsap. Rather have him over Olynyk.

Agreed. You have to sign someone like that with that space, even older Millsap. There's even an argument to be made that adding Millsap would make us better than adding Hayward alone.

Doing nothing is just unacceptable.

Isn't this the reason we didn't trade for anyone by the deadline?

If he didn't use the space for anyone significant, someone has to really consider putting his job on the line.

He had a plan, and if his plan failed, he has to be accountable.

You have an absurd definition of failure.  The plan was four years ago to collect high draft picks and try to strike in free agency in the future.  The plan became more successful quickly than people expected, and since he taking that final are is by far the most difficult, he should be canned?

I thank every day that Wyc and Co. run the Celtics, and not forum posters.

Seriously, the Celtics and Sixers started their teardown on the same day.  The Sixers made their best picks earlier in the process -- the Celtics picks weren't going to come for 3-5 years later.  The teams had the same plan.  Except in the meanwhile, the Celtics have a top team, and they will continue to have a top team next year.

There are 3-5 franchise championship players in the NBA at any given time.  The Celtics don't have one, right now.  You can win without one, as we did in 2008, but it's difficult, the margin for error small, and the likelihood of repeating is low.  Paul George was not one of those players.  Gordon Hayward is not one of those players.  Isaiah Thomas is not ore.  Al Horford is not one.  Maybe (MAYBE) having all four would have been enough to replicate 2008.  But otherwise, we're getting that player through the draft.  Maybe we already have him in Tatum.  We took a swing last year in trying to get one (Durant) through free agency.  That opportunity isn't coming along again for awhile.

While we wait for that championship player to come along, we'll still be very good.  Maybe one of those players becomes available for trade (Davis), and then Ainge will break open the piggy bank.  George is a terrific player, but Ainge was right to hold onto the best chance he has for that championship player, which is Tatum, Brown, and the Brooklyn and Lakers/Kings picks.

The goal in Boston is Banner 18, 19, and 20.  It's not about losing less badly to Cleveland next year.

You know what's absurd? Saving up cap room by passing on making deals last February to improve the team and not use it.

I wasn't asking to give up the diamond assets, just give up something. Improve the team, make it better. But sure, we need cap room because we can sign a marquee free agent.

Well, here we are, and it looks like we are going to miss out on one.

Call it absurd all you want, but in most professions, if you don't execute a plan, its a failure. If we don't sign Gordon Hayward this year, its a massive failure for the off season. If we don't get back to the ECF, maybe because we didn't improve the team, its a failure of a year. And Danny has to be accountable for that.

We could still had Tatum and enough assets for that Championship piece you're talking about while having Boogie as well if we didn't pass on him. But cap room is apparently more important. Okay, if we don't use it for something significant, what now?

[Ilikesports17]

If we miss Hayward...

then just overpay for Paul Millsap. Rather have him over Olynyk.

Agreed. You have to sign someone like that with that space, even older Millsap. There's even an argument to be made that adding Millsap would make us better than adding Hayward alone.

Doing nothing is just unacceptable.

Isn't this the reason we didn't trade for anyone by the deadline?

If he didn't use the space for anyone significant, someone has to really consider putting his job on the line.

He had a plan, and if his plan failed, he has to be accountable.

You have an absurd definition of failure.  The plan was four years ago to collect high draft picks and try to strike in free agency in the future.  The plan became more successful quickly than people expected, and since he taking that final are is by far the most difficult, he should be canned?

I thank every day that Wyc and Co. run the Celtics, and not forum posters.

Seriously, the Celtics and Sixers started their teardown on the same day.  The Sixers made their best picks earlier in the process -- the Celtics picks weren't going to come for 3-5 years later.  The teams had the same plan.  Except in the meanwhile, the Celtics have a top team, and they will continue to have a top team next year.

There are 3-5 franchise championship players in the NBA at any given time.  The Celtics don't have one, right now.  You can win without one, as we did in 2008, but it's difficult, the margin for error small, and the likelihood of repeating is low.  Paul George was not one of those players.  Gordon Hayward is not one of those players.  Isaiah Thomas is not ore.  Al Horford is not one.  Maybe (MAYBE) having all four would have been enough to replicate 2008.  But otherwise, we're getting that player through the draft.  Maybe we already have him in Tatum.  We took a swing last year in trying to get one (Durant) through free agency.  That opportunity isn't coming along again for awhile.

While we wait for that championship player to come along, we'll still be very good.  Maybe one of those players becomes available for trade (Davis), and then Ainge will break open the piggy bank.  George is a terrific player, but Ainge was right to hold onto the best chance he has for that championship player, which is Tatum, Brown, and the Brooklyn and Lakers/Kings picks.

The goal in Boston is Banner 18, 19, and 20.  It's not about losing less badly to Cleveland next year.

You know what's absurd? Saving up cap room by passing on making deals last February to improve the team and not use it.

I wasn't asking to give up the diamond assets, just give up something. Improve the team, make it better. But sure, we need cap room because we can sign a marquee free agent.

Well, here we are, and it looks like we are going to miss out on one.

Call it absurd all you want, but in most professions, if you don't execute a plan, its a failure. If we don't sign Gordon Hayward this year, its a massive failure for the off season. If we don't get back to the ECF, maybe because we didn't improve the team, its a failure of a year. And Danny has to be accountable for that.

We could still had Tatum and enough assets for that Championship piece you're talking about while having Boogie as well if we didn't pass on him. But cap room is apparently more important. Okay, if we don't use it for something significant, what now?

Boogie wasn't a cap based decision. He was a personality based decision. You weren't getting Butler or George without giving up huge assets.

No one else was elevating you in a meaningful manner. This frustration doesn't make sense to me.

I get being p---ed if we can't add a big player, but pretending it was absurd to stand pat at the deadline? Nonsense.

[Phantom255x]

Hayward I think now has more incentive to join the East. Can make more All-Star appearances easily, and be a "top team" in the East and contend. Sets him up nicely for an even bigger payday like 3-4 years down the line.

Unfortunately, with the C's not adding any of George/Butler, now Miami looms as an extremely big threat, and Johnson has said he'll take a pay-cut to stay if Hayward signs.

This could literally be Miami vs. Boston (Riley vs. Ainge) the next few days.

Plus, Jazz *could* lose Ingles AND Hill in the coming days.

[Phantom255x]

UH OH...

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/881174360043794432

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Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."

[tankcity!]

UH OH...

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/881174360043794432

Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account
@KevinOConnorNBA

Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."

Lol makes sense to me at this point. Nothing has gone right for us. Ainge put all his baskets on Hayward hahaha.

[TA9]

The Heat organization is going all in it seems:

[RJ87]

UH OH...

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/881174360043794432

Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account
@KevinOConnorNBA

Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."

Lol'ing... Lol'ing forever.

[Birdman]

Boston does not get Hayward they will be the biggest loser this offseason. On the verge of getting George and Hayward only to resigning KO and Zeller.

Boy what a bad summer

True!!! But look on the bright side, we got boat loads of picks with a loaded roster already ugh

[SparzWizard]

UH OH...

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/881174360043794432

Kevin O'Connor‏Verified account
@KevinOConnorNBA

Three league sources sense the current favorite for Gordon Hayward is Miami. Reasons: better lifestyle, Spoelstra, "feature scoring role."

Lol makes sense to me at this point. Nothing has gone right for us. Ainge put all his baskets on Hayward hahaha.

Yup it's all about the lifestyle, tax-free paychecks, and Hassan Whiteside

[SparzWizard]

Boston does not get Hayward they will be the biggest loser this offseason. On the verge of getting George and Hayward only to resigning KO and Zeller.

Boy what a bad summer

True!!! But look on the bright side, we got boat loads of picks with a loaded roster already ugh

And then trade them for more draft picks!!!!

[crimcartel]

Ummm, well they should be the favorites seeing as they are first to meet with him lol... let him meet with everyone and see where he lands

[jpotter33]

Guys, come on. We all knew there were going to be "reports" about Hayward to Miami today. That's what always happens. Remember last year when Durant's LA meeting supposedly went so well that he was supposedly willing to take a paycut to go there? Lol

I still don't see Miami as a legit threat. We're a significantly better team than them, and we're much better positioned for a Finals run than them. It doesn't make sense for him to choose Miami over Boston. He really doesn't seem to be the "lifestyle" kind of guy that Miami offers, and the "featured scoring role" also doesn't seem to be A) in line with his character, and B) making that much sense, since he'll still get literally any shot he wants in Boston.

And think of it this way - if he truly does want to go to Miami due to the lifestyle and prominent scoring role, is he really a Celtics type of player?

But that doesn't really matter, because it's very, very, very difficult for me to see these things mattering all that much to him. He wants to win, and at this point Boston is head and shoulders above Miami and Utah in the West in that regard.