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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #210 on: March 30, 2017, 11:03:11 PM »

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 Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.

 They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer​ and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.

He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.

Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #211 on: March 30, 2017, 11:33:47 PM »

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 Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.

 They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer​ and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.

He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.

Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.



 He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.

 https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI


 Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.

 https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #212 on: March 30, 2017, 11:47:03 PM »

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 Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.

 They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer​ and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.

He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.

Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.



 He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.

 https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI


 Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.

 https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.

I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.

hes elite in neither of those categories.

Smith Jr. and Fox are.

can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.

can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.

I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #213 on: March 30, 2017, 11:53:20 PM »

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Tatum is not a wildcard. Josh Jackson is more of a wildcard with his lack of consistent jump shot and range. Tatum can shoot from anywhere. The draft is deep the tiers of the lottery for me:

Tier 1: fultz, ball, Tatum, Jackson, fox
Tier2: smith, Isaac, ntilkina, monk, markannen
Tier 3: leaf, Collins, giles


Hoping we get fultz or Tatum with the 1st pick but anyone in tier 1 is fine
2nd pick jordan bell should be there available. Hoping either Grayson Allen or bam adebayo falls, maybe Dwayne bacon.

Jackson .378 vs Tatum .342 3 pt fg %.

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #214 on: March 31, 2017, 12:02:02 AM »

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 Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.

 They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer​ and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.

He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.

Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.



 He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.

 https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI


 Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.

 https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.

I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.

hes elite in neither of those categories.

Smith Jr. and Fox are.

can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.

can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.

I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.

So you want less skilled guys who are slightly more explosive? I then give you Terry Rozier.

You haven't watched a lot of Fultz (or too biased to other players) if you don't think he can blow by an NBA defender.

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #215 on: March 31, 2017, 12:03:39 AM »

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 Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.

 They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer​ and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.

He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.

Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.



 He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.

 https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI


 Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.

 https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.

I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.

hes elite in neither of those categories.

Smith Jr. and Fox are.

can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.

can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.

I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.



 Fox I'll give you he's John Wall fast. Smith he's explosive, but he sucks, so who cares. You watch that guy play? Opposite of a winner in my humble opinion.😉
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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #216 on: March 31, 2017, 12:46:48 AM »

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 Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.

 They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer​ and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.

He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.

Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.



 He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.

 https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI


 Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.

 https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.

I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.

hes elite in neither of those categories.

Smith Jr. and Fox are.

can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.

can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.

I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.

So you want less skilled guys who are slightly more explosive? I then give you Terry Rozier.

You haven't watched a lot of Fultz (or too biased to other players) if you don't think he can blow by an NBA defender.



 Agreed. Why do you hate Fultz? Dude's awesome. The kid literally has it all in the toolbox. That's why he will be chosen first. No glaring holes.

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #217 on: March 31, 2017, 01:42:10 AM »

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 Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.

 They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer​ and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.

He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.

Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.



 He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.

 https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI


 Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.

 https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.

I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.

hes elite in neither of those categories.

Smith Jr. and Fox are.

can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.

can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.

I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.

So you want less skilled guys who are slightly more explosive? I then give you Terry Rozier.

You haven't watched a lot of Fultz (or too biased to other players) if you don't think he can blow by an NBA defender.



 Agreed. Why do you hate Fultz? Dude's awesome. The kid literally has it all in the toolbox. That's why he will be chosen first. No glaring holes.
whoa whoa whoa

I never said I like those guys better. I dont.

For me Fultz is #1. Miles ahead of Smith and Fox (who I have 8th and 5th). I just dont think he has elite burst and I dont think hes explosive in the half-court.

Why cant we criticize(or in this case claim a player is not elite in one aspect of his game) a player and still like him.

Lebron isnt an elite shooter. Does that mean I dont want Lebron?
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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #218 on: March 31, 2017, 02:02:48 AM »

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 Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.

 They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer​ and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.

He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.

Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.



 He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.

 https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI


 Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.

 https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.

I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.

hes elite in neither of those categories.

Smith Jr. and Fox are.

can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.

can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.

I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.

So you want less skilled guys who are slightly more explosive? I then give you Terry Rozier.

You haven't watched a lot of Fultz (or too biased to other players) if you don't think he can blow by an NBA defender.



 Agreed. Why do you hate Fultz? Dude's awesome. The kid literally has it all in the toolbox. That's why he will be chosen first. No glaring holes.
whoa whoa whoa

I never said I like those guys better. I dont.

For me Fultz is #1. Miles ahead of Smith and Fox (who I have 8th and 5th). I just dont think he has elite burst and I dont think hes explosive in the half-court.

Why cant we criticize(or in this case claim a player is not elite in one aspect of his game) a player and still like him.

Lebron isnt an elite shooter. Does that mean I dont want Lebron?



 All I'm saying is that his burst, first step, explosiveness, is there. He plays at different speeds and shifts gears that's part of what makes him virtually unguardable.

 Make no mistake about it the burst on Fultz is there. If you don't Know you better ask somebody lol.

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #219 on: March 31, 2017, 02:06:00 AM »

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Tatum is not a wildcard. Josh Jackson is more of a wildcard with his lack of consistent jump shot and range. Tatum can shoot from anywhere. The draft is deep the tiers of the lottery for me:

Tier 1: fultz, ball, Tatum, Jackson, fox
Tier2: smith, Isaac, ntilkina, monk, markannen
Tier 3: leaf, Collins, giles


Hoping we get fultz or Tatum with the 1st pick but anyone in tier 1 is fine
2nd pick jordan bell should be there available. Hoping either Grayson Allen or bam adebayo falls, maybe Dwayne bacon.

Jackson .378 vs Tatum .342 3 pt fg %.

Jackson - 56.6 FT%
Tatum - 84.9 FT%

Jackson - Shooting form needs work to say the least
Tatum - solid shooting form

Jackson - 20.1 years old
Tatum - 19.1 years old

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #220 on: March 31, 2017, 02:10:12 AM »

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You don't have to be a Russell Westbrook or John Wall type of explosive athlete to be elite. James Harden may very well be the MVP and that's who Fultz gets compared to most out of any current player. Though I think he's clearly more athletic than some people in here are giving him credit for. 

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« Reply #221 on: March 31, 2017, 02:12:37 AM »

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Tatum is not a wildcard. Josh Jackson is more of a wildcard with his lack of consistent jump shot and range. Tatum can shoot from anywhere. The draft is deep the tiers of the lottery for me:

Tier 1: fultz, ball, Tatum, Jackson, fox
Tier2: smith, Isaac, ntilkina, monk, markannen
Tier 3: leaf, Collins, giles


Hoping we get fultz or Tatum with the 1st pick but anyone in tier 1 is fine
2nd pick jordan bell should be there available. Hoping either Grayson Allen or bam adebayo falls, maybe Dwayne bacon.

Jackson .378 vs Tatum .342 3 pt fg %.

Jackson - 56.6 FT%
Tatum - 84.9 FT%

Jackson - Shooting form needs work to say the least
Tatum - solid shooting form

Jackson - 20.1 years old
Tatum - 19.1 years old
exactly. Jackson is relatively old for a modern lottery rookie and hasn't learned how to shoot right or even easy free throws. I think that's worse than Shaq and deandre Jordan. It's alarming

If Jackson had a good shot I would be more comfortable taking him. Do we really need another non-shooter to put next to Marcus smart and jaylen brown?

Fultz and Tatum can shoot. For Tatums weaknesses, make him practice 3 pointers and lock him in the gym. At least athleticism can be solved working out. Jacksons shot hasn't been fixed in a decade since he's played ball

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #222 on: March 31, 2017, 02:14:28 AM »

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 Some people want to knock his athleticism claiming it's not Elite. He does have Elite athleticism he just doesn't show it all the time. On The Fast Break with monster dunks and especially on defense with LeBron like Chase down blocks. The thing is the kids just so darn crafty at a young age his hesitation moves or what really make him hard to guard.

 They call it the Hang dribble in this video, but it really does keep the Defenders on their heels, deceptive, smart, instinctual, crafty those the words to describe this kid on offense, really effective scorer​ and passer it will be a blessing to get this kid.
the word "athleticism" is too vague.

He has some very good athletic traits, but hes not real explosive.

Smith Jr. and Fox are much better in these areas. Those guys, I would say are elite.



 He's Explosive. 14 second in he dunks from the free throw line or almost, he's just so smooth it doesn't even seem like it.

 https://youtu.be/ic04d1aT_xI


 Here is another angle, you gotta admit the hang time is real.

 https://youtu.be/csAJR3w1JII
I dont care about his hang time or his leaping ability and I most definitely dont care about his high school mix tape.

I care about his explosion to the rim and his burst with the ball.

hes elite in neither of those categories.

Smith Jr. and Fox are.

can he blow by an NBA defender and get to the basket without a screen? nope.

can many players in the NBA? absolutely not. Thats what makes the elite guys so impressive.

I think Smith Jr. and Fox have that type of Isaiah Thomas, John Wall, Russell Westbrook type of burst.

So you want less skilled guys who are slightly more explosive? I then give you Terry Rozier.

You haven't watched a lot of Fultz (or too biased to other players) if you don't think he can blow by an NBA defender.



 Agreed. Why do you hate Fultz? Dude's awesome. The kid literally has it all in the toolbox. That's why he will be chosen first. No glaring holes.
whoa whoa whoa

I never said I like those guys better. I dont.

For me Fultz is #1. Miles ahead of Smith and Fox (who I have 8th and 5th). I just dont think he has elite burst and I dont think hes explosive in the half-court.

Why cant we criticize(or in this case claim a player is not elite in one aspect of his game) a player and still like him.

Lebron isnt an elite shooter. Does that mean I dont want Lebron?



 All I'm saying is that his burst, first step, explosiveness, is there. He plays at different speeds and shifts gears that's part of what makes him virtually unguardable.

 Make no mistake about it the burst on Fultz is there. If you don't Know you better ask somebody lol.
yeah, but they arent elite.

I dont think he is a "wow" type athlete in the half-court.

James Harden isnt either. Neither is Kyrie Irving.

Thats all Im saying. Im not "hating" on Fultz. I think he is the best prospect and a really really good athlete.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #223 on: March 31, 2017, 02:17:59 AM »

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Tatum is not a wildcard. Josh Jackson is more of a wildcard with his lack of consistent jump shot and range. Tatum can shoot from anywhere. The draft is deep the tiers of the lottery for me:

Tier 1: fultz, ball, Tatum, Jackson, fox
Tier2: smith, Isaac, ntilkina, monk, markannen
Tier 3: leaf, Collins, giles


Hoping we get fultz or Tatum with the 1st pick but anyone in tier 1 is fine
2nd pick jordan bell should be there available. Hoping either Grayson Allen or bam adebayo falls, maybe Dwayne bacon.

Jackson .378 vs Tatum .342 3 pt fg %.

Jackson - 56.6 FT%
Tatum - 84.9 FT%

Jackson - Shooting form needs work to say the least
Tatum - solid shooting form

Jackson - 20.1 years old
Tatum - 19.1 years old
exactly. Jackson is relatively old for a modern lottery rookie and hasn't learned how to shoot right or even easy free throws. I think that's worse than Shaq and deandre Jordan. It's alarming

If Jackson had a good shot I would be more comfortable taking him. Do we really need another non-shooter to put next to Marcus smart and jaylen brown?

Fultz and Tatum can shoot. For Tatums weaknesses, make him practice 3 pointers and lock him in the gym. At least athleticism can be solved working out. Jacksons shot hasn't been fixed in a decade since he's played ball
Athleticism cant be solved.

Tatum's range can be extended and he can add strength.

Jackson is more likely to figure out how to shoot than Tatum is likely to substantially improve his athleticism.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #224 on: March 31, 2017, 02:24:23 AM »

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You're wrong.
There's no way jackson gets better at shooting. Even if he does, tatums shooting is already years advanced ahead of jackson even as Tatum is younger

Look at kevin durant. He couldn't do 1 rep at the camp For 180 lbs as a rookie. 
http://www.espn.com/nba/draft2007/news/story?id=2894925
According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.
Oden jumped 34 inches in the vertical leap while Durant jumped 33½ inches, completed the agility drill in 11.67 seconds to Durant's 12.33 seconds, and finished the three-quarter court sprint in 3.27 seconds, ahead of Durant's 3.45 seconds, according to the report.

Now Durant is very strong and fast.
Meanwhile, the list of bad shooters who stay as bad shooters is longer than those who became good.shooters.