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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #225 on: March 31, 2017, 02:36:10 AM »

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You're wrong.
There's no way jackson gets better at shooting. Even if he does, tatums shooting is already years advanced ahead of jackson even as Tatum is younger

Look at kevin durant. He couldn't do 1 rep at the camp For 180 lbs as a rookie. 
http://www.espn.com/nba/draft2007/news/story?id=2894925
According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.
Oden jumped 34 inches in the vertical leap while Durant jumped 33 inches, completed the agility drill in 11.67 seconds to Durant's 12.33 seconds, and finished the three-quarter court sprint in 3.27 seconds, ahead of Durant's 3.45 seconds, according to the report.

Now Durant is very strong and fast.
Meanwhile, the list of bad shooters who stay as bad shooters is longer than those who became good.shooters.
strength can absolutely be improved, but I think a player is far more likely to fix their jumper than they are substantially improve their quickness or explosiveness.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #226 on: March 31, 2017, 04:39:59 AM »

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You're wrong.
There's no way jackson gets better at shooting. Even if he does, tatums shooting is already years advanced ahead of jackson even as Tatum is younger

Look at kevin durant. He couldn't do 1 rep at the camp For 180 lbs as a rookie. 
http://www.espn.com/nba/draft2007/news/story?id=2894925
According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.
Oden jumped 34 inches in the vertical leap while Durant jumped 33 inches, completed the agility drill in 11.67 seconds to Durant's 12.33 seconds, and finished the three-quarter court sprint in 3.27 seconds, ahead of Durant's 3.45 seconds, according to the report.

Now Durant is very strong and fast.
Meanwhile, the list of bad shooters who stay as bad shooters is longer than those who became good.shooters.
strength can absolutely be improved, but I think a player is far more likely to fix their jumper than they are substantially improve their quickness or explosiveness.
Fair enough. In the end, the draft is just another gamble where luck is involved in the process of who is a star and who isnt

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #227 on: April 04, 2017, 09:25:48 AM »

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I feel like the thing that is underestimated about Fultz is that wingspan.   With that 6'10 wingspan it is really, really hard to bother his shot.  He can shoot those jumpers at will.  And he is so crafty and good at creating space that it's almost an impossibility to bother his shot.

He may not have Wall-level athleticism, but he appears to have Harden-level athleticism.  The ability to change gears, the elusiveness and handle to create his own shot.  That will drive defense nuts more than just straight line speed.

And to top that all off, his passing is incredible.  Because the defense must respect his shot and his ability to dribble to create his shot, it becomes even more devastating when he passes it to the open man.  You know the way Horford has made our shooters even more efficient with his great passing as a big man?  Add Fultz to the equation and we might just "break the game".  It's the TILT sign on the pinball machine.  It would be a LOT of fun to watch Fultz added to this offense and see how Stevens could utilize him.

Defensively he has the tools to deny and bother opposing guards.  6'10 wingspan, high steal and block rate for his position.  Just needs to learn how to lockdown and he would have able mentors to go against every day in practice in Bradley and Smart.

I gotta say, even if Guard isn't a need, if we land the #1 pick, we have to pick Fultz.  He's the definition of mismatch.  And in a world where shooters are favored, he could have a Curry-like or Harden-like impact for our team!

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #228 on: April 26, 2017, 11:21:16 PM »

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I feel like the thing that is underestimated about Fultz is that wingspan.   With that 6'10 wingspan it is really, really hard to bother his shot.  He can shoot those jumpers at will.  And he is so crafty and good at creating space that it's almost an impossibility to bother his shot.

He may not have Wall-level athleticism, but he appears to have Harden-level athleticism.  The ability to change gears, the elusiveness and handle to create his own shot.  That will drive defense nuts more than just straight line speed.

And to top that all off, his passing is incredible.  Because the defense must respect his shot and his ability to dribble to create his shot, it becomes even more devastating when he passes it to the open man.  You know the way Horford has made our shooters even more efficient with his great passing as a big man?  Add Fultz to the equation and we might just "break the game".  It's the TILT sign on the pinball machine.  It would be a LOT of fun to watch Fultz added to this offense and see how Stevens could utilize him.

Defensively he has the tools to deny and bother opposing guards.  6'10 wingspan, high steal and block rate for his position.  Just needs to learn how to lockdown and he would have able mentors to go against every day in practice in Bradley and Smart.

I gotta say, even if Guard isn't a need, if we land the #1 pick, we have to pick Fultz.  He's the definition of mismatch.  And in a world where shooters are favored, he could have a Curry-like or Harden-like impact for our team!
TP on the wingspan. Also, he has a 8'6''-8'7'' standing reach; which for a pg(or even sg) is insane  and will help him get his jumper off over other players.

As far as pg's go Fultz is the longest and most talented I have seen come into the draft. His length should make him a terror defensively.

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #229 on: April 26, 2017, 11:45:39 PM »

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I love when draftniks get sooooo much into the measurables on players and forget that these players actually have to play the game. IT has horrible measurables. AB does too. KO's aren't much better. But all three, all these years later are measured by talent and production. Maybe we should put more stock in ability to play the game and less in measurables? Does Fultz or any prospect have the talent to make the most of his body?  Thats the question we should be asking and stop drooling over measurables.

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #230 on: April 27, 2017, 12:05:05 AM »

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I love when draftniks get sooooo much into the measurables on players and forget that these players actually have to play the game. IT has horrible measurables. AB does too. KO's aren't much better. But all three, all these years later are measured by talent and production. Maybe we should put more stock in ability to play the game and less in measurables? Does Fultz or any prospect have the talent to make the most of his body?  Thats the question we should be asking and stop drooling over measurables.

Tp, Exactly.

Which is why Ball is overlooked by too many here.

The guy is a winner with classic intangibles.

People think Fox dominated him TWICE. They're wrong.

That first game when UCLA went into Rupp, Fox dominated the first 10 minutes. After that, Ball LED his team back to beat KY in Lexington, highlighted by a fadeaway 3 to end the first half.


No easy feat beating 'Cats at home. Ball did it.

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #231 on: May 07, 2017, 05:16:46 PM »

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Fultz has an NBA body already.


Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #232 on: May 07, 2017, 05:20:21 PM »

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Fultz has an NBA body already.


I'd say he is the only player in the draft who is already physically NBA ready and has NBA ready skills. Tatum is close behind, but Ball is too frail and Jackson is too raw.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #233 on: May 07, 2017, 05:21:49 PM »

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Fultz has an NBA body already.



Wow. He looks ripped.

I think he has all the tools both physically and as far as basketball skills.

I hope we are fortunate enough to draft him.
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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #234 on: May 07, 2017, 05:22:00 PM »

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Fultz has an NBA body already.


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Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #235 on: May 07, 2017, 05:28:02 PM »

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You don't have to be a Russell Westbrook or John Wall type of explosive athlete to be elite. James Harden may very well be the MVP and that's who Fultz gets compared to most out of any current player. Though I think he's clearly more athletic than some people in here are giving him credit for.

I would call Fultz an elite athlete.

He's fast and has elite body control.

Has bounce of one or two feet which many players can't do both.

Also changes speed at an elite level which most agree is far more important than just speed.
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« Reply #236 on: May 07, 2017, 05:53:24 PM »

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Fultz has an NBA body already.


I'd say he is the only player in the draft who is already physically NBA ready and has NBA ready skills. Tatum is close behind, but Ball is too frail and Jackson is too raw.

I don't like Ball, I do not want Ball, but what is written about him here was written years ago about another ucla player. That player is in the Basketball Hall of Fame today.

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #237 on: May 07, 2017, 06:05:01 PM »

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Fultz has an NBA body already.


I'd say he is the only player in the draft who is already physically NBA ready and has NBA ready skills. Tatum is close behind, but Ball is too frail and Jackson is too raw.

I don't like Ball, I do not want Ball, but what is written about him here was written years ago about another ucla player. That player is in the Basketball Hall of Fame today.

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My 2017 Draft Rankings:       My 2017 FA Celtic Rankings:
1.) Markelle Fultz                   1.) Gordon Hayward
2.) Jayson Tatum                   2.) Blake Griffin
3.) Lonzo Ball                           3.) No other realistic options
4.) Josh Jackson                          move the needle much
5.) Lauri Markkanen

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #238 on: May 08, 2017, 06:40:40 PM »

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Pretty crazy that in 8 days the lottery happens

Re: Markelle Fultz Thread (Merged)
« Reply #239 on: May 10, 2017, 03:44:15 PM »

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not that this is important, but it is news.


Jonathan Givony‏Verified account @DraftExpress 14m14 minutes ago
Source: The Boston Celtics front office will be interviewing projected #1 pick Markelle Fultz this evening at the NBA Combine.
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