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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2016, 12:52:25 PM »

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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.

This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.

Mike

From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.

The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.

TP, this is exactly how I feel about the situatuon. The beauty is that I could see fultz playing with any of our guards not named IT. He seems like a Harden esque style point guard with "potential" on the defensive end.
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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2016, 12:55:25 PM »

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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.

This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.

Mike

From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.

The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.

I'm not in the belief that you would need to trade IT or Bradley if you draft an elite PG.  You could just as easily trade one of Smart or Rozier, and bring Fultz or Ball off the bench for the first couple years.  You would remain very competitive while also protecting the future.  Somewhat similar to the Crowder Brown situation.  When IT is 30 in a couple years you could start bringing him off the bench then. 

Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2016, 01:00:35 PM »

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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.

This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.

Mike
agreed.  if this kid looks like a franchise talent, you take him and move the pieces needed to fit around him.  with IT and AB up for raises in 2 years, use them for a big.  Other option is to use the pick as a trading chip for a proven top player -- perhaps Cousins (with a guarantee to sign an extension).

Primary point is that if this kid continues to look this good, he's likely to be better than anyone we currently have on the roster and a future top player in the league.  you don't pass on that level of talent for the likes of IT.  you move IT (to either the bench as scoring spark plug where I really think he belongs or to another team for a player that provides better roster balance)

Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2016, 01:03:20 PM »

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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.

This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.

Mike

From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.

The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.

I'm not in the belief that you would need to trade IT or Bradley if you draft an elite PG.  You could just as easily trade one of Smart or Rozier, and bring Fultz or Ball off the bench for the first couple years.  You would remain very competitive while also protecting the future.  Somewhat similar to the Crowder Brown situation.  When IT is 30 in a couple years you could start bringing him off the bench then.

This gets a TP. I would love a scenario like this: have the young guard learn and develop behind Isaiah for a few years. Then, when Isaiah is older and less effective, give Fultz the starting spot. Hopefully by then Jaylen has also blossomed into a legit starter/young star.

The only issue is Isaiah. Does he feel disrespected that we picked another PG? We would have to get rid of Smart/Rozier and ensure Isaiah that he's still gonna be around. Then his contract, man. That's the biggest issue, although I still don't think he's gonna get a max anywhere else in the NBA, so he might as well stay here.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2016, 01:24:47 PM »

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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.

This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.

Mike

From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.

The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.

I'm not in the belief that you would need to trade IT or Bradley if you draft an elite PG.  You could just as easily trade one of Smart or Rozier, and bring Fultz or Ball off the bench for the first couple years.  You would remain very competitive while also protecting the future.  Somewhat similar to the Crowder Brown situation.  When IT is 30 in a couple years you could start bringing him off the bench then.

This gets a TP. I would love a scenario like this: have the young guard learn and develop behind Isaiah for a few years. Then, when Isaiah is older and less effective, give Fultz the starting spot. Hopefully by then Jaylen has also blossomed into a legit starter/young star.

The only issue is Isaiah. Does he feel disrespected that we picked another PG? We would have to get rid of Smart/Rozier and ensure Isaiah that he's still gonna be around. Then his contract, man. That's the biggest issue, although I still don't think he's gonna get a max anywhere else in the NBA, so he might as well stay here.
If we land Fultz Id trade IT to highest bidder. Word is 20 to 24 million per is what IT will be looking for, Mike Conley $. AB is around the same 19 to 23 million per, Bradley Beal $. It's crazy but that's the state of the NBA. This is why Fultz is a very good option on a rookie contract. As is extending Smart ASAP at a fair market deal like 3 years @ $27 million total. He will likely improve his game and out perform that last year of the extension amount. If he doesnt improve he is still okay at that price as a defensive specialist. No way I pay IT and AB top $ so getting Fultz makes that choice easier.
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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2016, 01:31:20 PM »

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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.

This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.

Mike

From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.

The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.

I'm not in the belief that you would need to trade IT or Bradley if you draft an elite PG.  You could just as easily trade one of Smart or Rozier, and bring Fultz or Ball off the bench for the first couple years.  You would remain very competitive while also protecting the future.  Somewhat similar to the Crowder Brown situation.  When IT is 30 in a couple years you could start bringing him off the bench then.

This gets a TP. I would love a scenario like this: have the young guard learn and develop behind Isaiah for a few years. Then, when Isaiah is older and less effective, give Fultz the starting spot. Hopefully by then Jaylen has also blossomed into a legit starter/young star.

The only issue is Isaiah. Does he feel disrespected that we picked another PG? We would have to get rid of Smart/Rozier and ensure Isaiah that he's still gonna be around. Then his contract, man. That's the biggest issue, although I still don't think he's gonna get a max anywhere else in the NBA, so he might as well stay here.
If we land Fultz Id trade IT to highest bidder. Word is 20 to 24 million per is what IT will be looking for, Mike Conley $. AB is around the same 19 to 23 million per, Bradley Beal $. It's crazy but that's the state of the NBA. This is why Fultz is a very good option on a rookie contract. As is extending Smart ASAP at a fair market deal like 3 years @ $27 million total. He will likely improve his game and out perform that last year of the extension amount. If he doesnt improve he is still okay at that price as a defensive specialist. No way I pay IT and AB top $ so getting Fultz makes that choice easier.

I've voiced my opinion about this before, but that's what IT wants. Do you actually think any team will offer him that? I seriously doubt it. For the same reasons we have concerns about paying him a max as he heads into his 30s, so do other teams. Maybe Bradley will get an offer like that in the market, but I truly don't believe any team will shell out that kind of cash for Isaiah.

And i also think you'd have to pay Smart much more than that. That's basically Avery money from before the cap jumped up.
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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2016, 01:47:07 PM »

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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT

Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?

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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2016, 01:48:14 PM »

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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT

Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?

Mike

At the very least I think we could get a middle of the road starting PF and a pick (not good of course.)
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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2016, 02:34:34 PM »

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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT

Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?

Mike

Tough to say. Let's look at the teams that need point guards.

Orlando
Dallas
Philly
Sacramento
Knicks
Bulls
Spurs
Brooklyn

Of those, Dallas and Philly will probably get their point guards of the future in this draft, so let's cross them off the list. Let's look at what each team has that might interest Danny:

Orlando- Gordon, Vucevic, Ibaka, Hezonja
Sacramento- Boogie, WCS, McLemore, Casspi
Knicks- Porzingis, Melo
Bulls- Butler
Spurs- LMA, Danny Green, Dedmon
Brooklyn- Bogdonovic

Let's eliminate Sacramento (not trading Boogie for IT, can't afford him otherwise). Porzingis is a pipedream, Butler as well. The Nets don't have enough. I think Melo is a really interesting option if he's willing to waive his NTC and play the 4 full time, but he's sharply on the decline and would not fit with Fultz's timeline. LMA would be an interesting option, as would a package of Green and Dedmon, but IT doesn't strike me as a Pop type. If we're going full youth movement, maybe we could swing Gordon for IT straight up? Seems like a long shot to me, but if Henigan is desperate enough to make the playoffs, it could happen. Would Ainge even do that?

Tl;dr: It's hard to find a perfect match for an IT trade if we get Fultz. My best bet is Orlando.

Edit: None of these are meant as straight swaps.
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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2016, 03:15:15 PM »

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This sounds like a stupid prediction that will come back to haunt me...
but I feel like Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball are can't miss prospects.

How are they both shooting 45%+ from 3??? I thought this was their weakness
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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2016, 03:21:57 PM »

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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT

Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?

Mike

Tough to say. Let's look at the teams that need point guards.

Orlando
Dallas
Philly
Sacramento
Knicks
Bulls
Spurs
Brooklyn

Of those, Dallas and Philly will probably get their point guards of the future in this draft, so let's cross them off the list. Let's look at what each team has that might interest Danny:

Orlando- Gordon, Vucevic, Ibaka, Hezonja
Sacramento- Boogie, WCS, McLemore, Casspi
Knicks- Porzingis, Melo
Bulls- Butler
Spurs- LMA, Danny Green, Dedmon
Brooklyn- Bogdonovic

Let's eliminate Sacramento (not trading Boogie for IT, can't afford him otherwise). Porzingis is a pipedream, Butler as well. The Nets don't have enough. I think Melo is a really interesting option if he's willing to waive his NTC and play the 4 full time, but he's sharply on the decline and would not fit with Fultz's timeline. LMA would be an interesting option, as would a package of Green and Dedmon, but IT doesn't strike me as a Pop type. If we're going full youth movement, maybe we could swing Gordon for IT straight up? Seems like a long shot to me, but if Henigan is desperate enough to make the playoffs, it could happen. Would Ainge even do that?

Tl;dr: It's hard to find a perfect match for an IT trade if we get Fultz. My best bet is Orlando.

Edit: None of these are meant as straight swaps.


Isaiah for Vucevic would be the best deal that Boston can hope for.
Highly doubtful they give up Hezonja or Gordon
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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2016, 03:48:20 PM »

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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT

Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?

Mike

Tough to say. Let's look at the teams that need point guards.

Orlando
Dallas
Philly
Sacramento
Knicks
Bulls
Spurs
Brooklyn

Of those, Dallas and Philly will probably get their point guards of the future in this draft, so let's cross them off the list. Let's look at what each team has that might interest Danny:

Orlando- Gordon, Vucevic, Ibaka, Hezonja
Sacramento- Boogie, WCS, McLemore, Casspi
Knicks- Porzingis, Melo
Bulls- Butler
Spurs- LMA, Danny Green, Dedmon
Brooklyn- Bogdonovic

Let's eliminate Sacramento (not trading Boogie for IT, can't afford him otherwise). Porzingis is a pipedream, Butler as well. The Nets don't have enough. I think Melo is a really interesting option if he's willing to waive his NTC and play the 4 full time, but he's sharply on the decline and would not fit with Fultz's timeline. LMA would be an interesting option, as would a package of Green and Dedmon, but IT doesn't strike me as a Pop type. If we're going full youth movement, maybe we could swing Gordon for IT straight up? Seems like a long shot to me, but if Henigan is desperate enough to make the playoffs, it could happen. Would Ainge even do that?

Tl;dr: It's hard to find a perfect match for an IT trade if we get Fultz. My best bet is Orlando.

Edit: None of these are meant as straight swaps.


Isaiah for Vucevic would be the best deal that Boston can hope for.
Highly doubtful they give up Hezonja or Gordon

Hezonja gets DNP-CD most nights. I doubt they're in love with him. I really liked him during the draft process, so maybe he's someone worth looking into. As for Gordon, Orlando has a horribly crowded frontcourt and it's certainly possible that no one is willing to take their other guys. Netting a marketable All-Star point guard for a somewhat promising, yet miscast player who's entering free agency soon could be a decent return. Vucevic for IT straight up just doesn't appeal to me. I'm not a fan of the no-defense, ground-bound center.
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Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2016, 01:37:41 AM »

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I want this guy so bad. Would love to have the luxury of trading IT

Let's assume we end up getting Fultz. What could we get for IT as a one-year rental?

Mike

Tough to say. Let's look at the teams that need point guards.

Orlando
Dallas
Philly
Sacramento
Knicks
Bulls
Spurs
Brooklyn

Of those, Dallas and Philly will probably get their point guards of the future in this draft, so let's cross them off the list. Let's look at what each team has that might interest Danny:

Orlando- Gordon, Vucevic, Ibaka, Hezonja
Sacramento- Boogie, WCS, McLemore, Casspi
Knicks- Porzingis, Melo
Bulls- Butler
Spurs- LMA, Danny Green, Dedmon
Brooklyn- Bogdonovic

Let's eliminate Sacramento (not trading Boogie for IT, can't afford him otherwise). Porzingis is a pipedream, Butler as well. The Nets don't have enough. I think Melo is a really interesting option if he's willing to waive his NTC and play the 4 full time, but he's sharply on the decline and would not fit with Fultz's timeline. LMA would be an interesting option, as would a package of Green and Dedmon, but IT doesn't strike me as a Pop type. If we're going full youth movement, maybe we could swing Gordon for IT straight up? Seems like a long shot to me, but if Henigan is desperate enough to make the playoffs, it could happen. Would Ainge even do that?

Tl;dr: It's hard to find a perfect match for an IT trade if we get Fultz. My best bet is Orlando.

Edit: None of these are meant as straight swaps.
To get anything of value for IT, he'd have to give some assurance that he'd consider re-signing with the team.  The primary return for IT doesn't have to be a player.  It could be another pick in this draft which I'd really like to have (e.g. Fultz and Markkanen). 

I wouldn't write off Dallas especially if they win a bit and end up with a mid lottery pick.  Cuban doesn't strike me as patient.  So I think he'd prefer an established player to a pick that needs time to develop.  I doubt the Magic would trade for IT.  They've got Payton and if they've soured on him they could replace him in this PG heavy draft. 

Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2016, 06:15:49 PM »

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Let's trade IT to Brooklyn for the right to swap picks in 2019 and their pick in 2020.  Keep the train rolling!  :D

Re: Markelle Fultz
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2016, 12:00:29 PM »

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He would save the team from having to back up the Brinks truck.

This. We have one year left (after this one) of AB and IT. Then, we're going to have to make some tough decisions. If Fultz is the best, you take him and mark him as the future.

Mike

From what I have seen of Fultz and to a less extent Ball (neither I have watched a ton yet) both look like big time prospects. This draft is really going to put the Cs present and future on the table. If DA thinks he can really honestly build a championship team with IT as a starting PG then the pick needs to be moved for a player to add to the current roster. However if the opposite is true and DA may find himself drafting a stud PG prospect on draft night and having to move IT. My concern is how Horford would fit/feel in that situation.

The Cs maybe able to make that level of move without effecting the team in the win/loss column. Looking at the elite PGs drafted in recent years and the best Wall, Irving, Curry have been very productive as rookies if Fultz and or Ball could be the same the Cs come out as a comparable short term team and drastically better long term team.

I'm not in the belief that you would need to trade IT or Bradley if you draft an elite PG.  You could just as easily trade one of Smart or Rozier, and bring Fultz or Ball off the bench for the first couple years.  You would remain very competitive while also protecting the future.  Somewhat similar to the Crowder Brown situation.  When IT is 30 in a couple years you could start bringing him off the bench then.

This gets a TP. I would love a scenario like this: have the young guard learn and develop behind Isaiah for a few years. Then, when Isaiah is older and less effective, give Fultz the starting spot. Hopefully by then Jaylen has also blossomed into a legit starter/young star.

The only issue is Isaiah. Does he feel disrespected that we picked another PG? We would have to get rid of Smart/Rozier and ensure Isaiah that he's still gonna be around. Then his contract, man. That's the biggest issue, although I still don't think he's gonna get a max anywhere else in the NBA, so he might as well stay here.
If we land Fultz Id trade IT to highest bidder. Word is 20 to 24 million per is what IT will be looking for, Mike Conley $. AB is around the same 19 to 23 million per, Bradley Beal $. It's crazy but that's the state of the NBA. This is why Fultz is a very good option on a rookie contract. As is extending Smart ASAP at a fair market deal like 3 years @ $27 million total. He will likely improve his game and out perform that last year of the extension amount. If he doesnt improve he is still okay at that price as a defensive specialist. No way I pay IT and AB top $ so getting Fultz makes that choice easier.

I've voiced my opinion about this before, but that's what IT wants. Do you actually think any team will offer him that? I seriously doubt it. For the same reasons we have concerns about paying him a max as he heads into his 30s, so do other teams. Maybe Bradley will get an offer like that in the market, but I truly don't believe any team will shell out that kind of cash for Isaiah.

And i also think you'd have to pay Smart much more than that. That's basically Avery money from before the cap jumped up.

Did you see some of the crazy deals this summer? I think IT gets what he wants. He would be the third max player on a championship  team. You could bring him off the bench, play him 35 minutes a game, and in the right scenario, he could average over 25 ppg. Guys that have the potential to score like that and run by 90% of the players in this league get Eff you money.

Re: Fultz. I like him. I'm not convinced he's Russell Westbrook or even James Harden. Those are top 10 players in this league.

If he's anything like Damian Lillard, I'd pick him #1 overall. Lillard and Westbrook are my binkies- I think you can go to battle and win with them.